Anesthesia on an empty stomach

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M1 question here. Why do people need to fast before surgery? Is it because they might vomit during the case and choke? How would they choke? And what the heck do you do in an emergency situation in which you can't control whether or not the patient's stomach is empty?
 
M1 question here. Why do people need to fast before surgery? Is it because they might vomit during the case and choke? How would they choke? And what the heck do you do in an emergency situation in which you can't control whether or not the patient's stomach is empty?

The concern is for aspiration. Aspiration related Pneumonie is BAD.

Once you induce anesthesia, typically the "airway reflexes". For example, the gag reflex, is blunted. Therefore, if particulate matter from your stomach comes up into the pharynx, it'll go into the lungs without the reflexes that prevent this from occurring. Typically, or atleast in academics one should WAIT 8 hours after their meal before the pt is put to sleep.

There are exceptions of course...emergencies,etc.
 
No need to fast before surgery. Actually my crnas and residents say I'm grumpy when I'm hungry. My goals for long difficult case are to be well rested, well peed, and well fed.
 
Thanks for the response.



Yeah, so what happens then? What would you need to do differently?

Choose different intubating drugs, protect the airway until the tube is in to prevent aspiration. Once the tube's in, the cuff theoretically prevents most aspirate.
 
M1 question here. Why do people need to fast before surgery? Is it because they might vomit during the case and choke? How would they choke? And what the heck do you do in an emergency situation in which you can't control whether or not the patient's stomach is empty?

Those are all very good questions, my friend.

Sleep's response is correct.

A stomach with a Nachos Bellagrande in it has the potential for aspiration....and when we remove the gag reflex with the medicines we use to render a patient asleep and motionless, theres the potential for the stuff to come up outta the stomach, breach the unprotected larynx into the pulmonary system with resultant TBL....(TACO BELL LUNG.)

In reality our NPO guidelines are guided more by litiginous concern than by potential aspiration.

The chances of aspiration in a healthy patient showing up for a knee scope who ate breakfast is very low.

Not everyone is healthy, though.

Rampant obesity, diabetes, etc in our nation means we err on the side of caution......add in the high potential for a lawsuit means you, the clinician, are stripped of sound judgement, even in a healthy patient, because of our litiginous society.

In the UK, patients have tea before their surgery.

But, uhhhh, there are no malpractice attorneys there.

Of course there are REAL aspiration concerns....like a patient with a bowel obstruction...

In the true full stomach cases we perform whats called a rapid sequence intubation....

In a normal induction (induction meaning pushing drugs to render the patient unconscious and motionless) we push our IV drugs which results in unconsciousness and paralysis, ventilate with a mask for 30 seconds, maybe a minute or two, then insert the endotracheal tube.

Turns out that this act of ventilation may work against us in a full stomach since some of the air from positive pressure ventilation makes its way into the stomach which may push stomach contents into the pharynx, and maybe into the trachea and into the lungs....

So if we're really concerned about aspiration we preoxygenate by having the patient breathe 100% oxygen which means the patient won't desaturate so fast,

put the bed into a little reverse Trendelenberg,

push drugs to render them unconscious and motionless,

AND WE WAIT ABOUT 30-60 SECONDS

without ventilating.

Which removes the potential for entraining air into the stomach which may push contents out.

Then we put the endotracheal tube in, inflate the cuff.

We now have a protected airway.😀
 
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Am I correct in remembering that www.asahq.org has the most recent NPO guidelines posted somewhere?

In brief they are:

Fatty solid foods- 8hrs
Light meal- 6hrs
Clear liquids - 2 hrs
non-clear liquids - 6 hrs

A brief summation, some exceptions apply (breast milk, formula, etc)
 
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