Anesthesiologist Burnout

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What's your burnout number?

  • 1. Zero- No burnout

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • 2. 1

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • 3. 2

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • 4. 3

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • 5. 4

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • 6. 5

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • 7. 6 or 7- I'm totally burned out

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
Tell that to all the doctors who are forced to attend mandatory EPIC training (often 8 hours or more) on their own time. Uncompensated of course.
Epic as it currently stands isn't necessarily an ideal implementation of technology in medicine. When you introduce so much bureaucracy and red tape in your day to day processes and methods, you're doing yourself a disservice. But that's not technology's fault per se, it's a regulatory issue. The whole health sector, sadly, isn't evolving in a doctor- (or even patient) friendly way in this country. It's all about big pharma and insurance money.
 
From the perspective of another resident, I think there's a lot of truth in this post. I had options when I applied for residency- was competitive for just about any specialty- but chose anesthesiology by adding up the things I liked reading about the most (cardiopulmonary physiology) and the places I liked to be (the operating room) and subtracting things I didn't think I wanted to do at the time (operate or see patients in clinic). Viola, here we are. My mistake was believing the primary driver of my day-to-day satisfaction was how much I enjoyed opening the textbook or journal for my chosen field- a narrow, but frighteningly common view among medical students. I'm starting to realize the things that make or break my day were nowhere on my radar a few years ago- autonomy, collegiality of working environment, feeling like what you do is valued, etc. We have so little leverage in the healthcare system that we don't really get to determine many of these things for ourselves. I can definitely see that contributing to burnout over time. I am doing my best to choose a subspecialty without repeating past mistakes ("I like reading about hearts and being in the heart room so I should be a CT anesthesiologist"), but the options are limited.

Edit: If your status is accurate, I promoted you to resident on account of your insightful post 😉
Very insightful, both you and @abolt18.

As some of us say: don't go into anesthesiology if you have even a trace of an ego. Why? Because a lot of people, many of who can't hold a candle to you, will wipe their boots on it.

Also, the problem is the general public. The public and, accordingly, the law expect us to behave as if we were monks who dedicate their lives only to helping the sick, even without compensation. One knows that something is rotten to the core in the American healthcare system when a doctor can be punished for being a good samaritan and giving first aid, or when no patients are allowed (!) to waive their right to sue for malpractice in exchange for free care.
 
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As some of us say: don't go into anesthesiology if you have even a trace of an ego. Why? Because a lot of people, many of who can't hold a candle to you, will wipe their boots on it.

I really didn't think this would bother me, and I was very wrong.

The question is, now that I'm in residency, what to do about it?

I've talked to countless people, including many of you via PM, and see pitfalls with almost every proposed solution.

CC? Good luck finding a closed unit.

Pain? Well, just read up in this thread. Outpatient medicine in general is a mess, reimbursements are in free-fall, patient population is soul-crushing, etc.

Cardiac/peds? No options out of the OR.

General practice? Fear for your job.
 
I really didn't think this would bother me, and I was very wrong.

The question is, now that I'm in residency, what to do about it?

I've talked to countless people, including many of you via PM, and see pitfalls with almost every proposed solution.

CC? Good luck finding a closed unit.

Pain? Well, just read up in this thread. Outpatient medicine in general is a mess, reimbursements are in free-fall, patient population is soul-crushing, etc.

Cardiac/peds? No options out of the OR.

General practice? Fear for your job.
Maybe you could switch residencies to something like IM, then cardiology or pulm/cc? (Didn't someone else here do that, VentDependenT I believe?)
 
I really didn't think this would bother me, and I was very wrong.

The question is, now that I'm in residency, what to do about it?

I've talked to countless people, including many of you via PM, and see pitfalls with almost every proposed solution.

CC? Good luck finding a closed unit.

Pain? Well, just read up in this thread. Outpatient medicine in general is a mess, reimbursements are in free-fall, patient population is soul-crushing, etc.

Cardiac/peds? No options out of the OR.

General practice? Fear for your job.

Move West and join an MD only practice where you are a respected part of the team and not some 4:1 chart monkey. Then find some hobby you are good at to feed your ego and don't worry about it at work.

Or pursue that MBA you were talking about and be a suit where you can be as pompous as you like (but still no one will respect you - they just won't say it to your face).

Or just start drinking heavily until you can blow a 0.79 like FFP.
 
I really didn't think this would bother me, and I was very wrong.

The question is, now that I'm in residency, what to do about it?

I've talked to countless people, including many of you via PM, and see pitfalls with almost every proposed solution.

CC? Good luck finding a closed unit.

Pain? Well, just read up in this thread. Outpatient medicine in general is a mess, reimbursements are in free-fall, patient population is soul-crushing, etc.

Cardiac/peds? No options out of the OR.

General practice? Fear for your job.
There is no perfect solution. It's just a question of how much sugar you can put in the lemonade, to make it bearable. You can be the best of the best, in this specialty, and you could still get your butt kicked by a surgeon (through your employer). Find a job/subspecialty that makes the day-to-day work more enjoyable, but don't expect to be treated like a "doctor".

The best solution is to "forget" that you have an ego. Because any detectable trace will just get you in trouble, especially in private craptice. That's what the surgeons want, that's what your employer wants to see; you are just a worker, a body, a cog. Not only that, but you are VERY dependent on not pissing them off, if you want to have a shot at a decent job in the same area. Welcome to crony capitalism.

There are fewer and fewer markets in this country where (even solo) anesthesiologists are not expected to somewhat kiss up to surgeons/hospital staff, to keep them happy and the group contract safe.
 
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LOL. Going a little off topic here but that last bit by @SaltyDog made me curious and look up who in the world held the highest survived BAC record and turns out it was this 67-yo Bulgarian grandpa who ended up in the hospital after a truck hit him, and when they checked he had a whopping 0.914%.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1095-blood-alcohol-content/

According to this, 1.480% is the highest fatal one on record, although surprisingly it wasn't alcohol that was the cause of death.

https://guardianinterlock.com/blog/highest-blood-alcohol-concentration-ever-recorded/
 
LOL. Going a little off topic here but that last bit by @SaltyDog made me curious and look up who in the world held the highest survived BAC record and turns out it was this 67-yo Bulgarian grandpa who ended up in the hospital after a truck hit him, and when they checked he had a whopping 0.914%.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1095-blood-alcohol-content/

According to this, 1.480% is the highest fatal one on record, although surprisingly it wasn't alcohol that was the cause of death.

https://guardianinterlock.com/blog/highest-blood-alcohol-concentration-ever-recorded/
On your Google-fu must you work, my young padawan.The highest survived BAC on record is 1.51%.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(82)91285-5/abstract
 
Move West and join an MD only practice where you are a respected part of the team and not some 4:1 chart monkey. Then find some hobby you are good at to feed your ego and don't worry about it at work.

This is honestly why I haven't defected to another residency. My *Career* (big C) is a big part of my self-esteem now, but a child is in my very near future and will bring, I suspect, a huge rearrangement in my priorities, as well as a new perspective.
 
Problem these days is its hit or miss with ASC these days.

Some are good to work at and the MDs who are there will ride it out as long as they can.

The ASC that have job openings. A lot of the time there are big issues with the place (Md preop scut monkey covering 3-4 rooms seeing 50-60 patients a day by yourself). Working 10-11 hours a day. Gotta watch out for those ASCs. And it's not cushy. Hospital work 7-3 is easier work than many ASC with similar pay.

I should clarify that I have a good job right now. I am on the hook for nights once every 3 weeks or so (work post-call) and only work about a weekend every 3 months. Not bad. When I do get called in during the night, a small part of me does die.

Perhaps I am too spoiled.
 
This is honestly why I haven't defected to another residency. My *Career* (big C) is a big part of my self-esteem now, but a child is in my very near future and will bring, I suspect, a huge rearrangement in my priorities, as well as a new perspective.
I'm from the West, as is my wife. We're going to end up back there eventually. I hope to do physician only practice. And I'll say my life outside of medicine is far more fulfilling than my life in it (wife and 3 awesome kids who all love to explore and adventure). I just want a job that will allow me to travel and see/do what I want.
 
The most important thing is work life balance and scheduled time off from work.

It is in your control as to how much you want to work and earn. If you want a lamborghini and an expensive mansion then you are going to work harder and more hours.
 
Or get an MBA and go corporate.

Look, and this goes for anyone, if your goal in life is to accumulate as much money and wealth as you possibly can and everything else is secondary to that, than becoming/being a doctor is probably not the best path for you. Regardless of how much you make, there's definitely got to be 'something more' in your heart to live your life as a physician and not hate your life.
 
Or get an MBA and go corporate.

Look, and this goes for anyone, if your goal in life is to accumulate as much money and wealth as you possibly can and everything else is secondary to that, than becoming/being a doctor is probably not the best path for you. Regardless of how much you make, there's definitely got to be 'something more' in your heart to live your life as a physician and not hate your life.

What about those of us who just want to be treated like the professionals we are, like people who were at the top of our class, like people who sacrified and deferred gratification and put our lives on hold? This isn't about money, it's about recognizing and rewarding the people that actually put the time in.
 
I really didn't think this would bother me, and I was very wrong.

The question is, now that I'm in residency, what to do about it?

I've talked to countless people, including many of you via PM, and see pitfalls with almost every proposed solution.

CC? Good luck finding a closed unit.

Pain? Well, just read up in this thread. Outpatient medicine in general is a mess, reimbursements are in free-fall, patient population is soul-crushing, etc.

Cardiac/peds? No options out of the OR.

General practice? Fear for your job.

You are astute in recognizing that you will be miserable the rest of your career. I've got no advice other than: embrace the pain and find a way to master it.
 
What about those of us who just want to be treated like the professionals we are, like people who were at the top of our class, like people who sacrified and deferred gratification and put our lives on hold? This isn't about money, it's about recognizing and rewarding the people that actually put the time in.

Oh my God you're gonna have to dismiss that mindset STAT if you want to maintain your sanity. You are viewed as, and will be treated like, an overpaid tube monkey. You MUST come to grips with that now. Most physicians do not get the recognition they deserve; it's not unique to anesthesiology. It's just more pronounced.
 
Oh my God you're gonna have to dismiss that mindset STAT if you want to maintain your sanity. You are viewed as, and will be treated like, an overpaid tube monkey. You MUST come to grips with that now. Most physicians do not get the recognition they deserve; it's not unique to anesthesiology. It's just more pronounced.

As long as my paycheck matches my value I'll deal.
 
The most important thing is work life balance and scheduled time off from work.

It is in your control as to how much you want to work and earn. If you want a lamborghini and an expensive mansion then you are going to work harder and more hours.

And there is the problem with the corporatization of medicine. That flexibility you speak of is often not an option for employees. You get what you are given. There is no negotiation with big organizations. You take your 4-6 weeks "paid time off" and rejoice at all the "benefits" that your employer is kind enough to give you. You don't want to take call? Then you are not a fit for our organization's needs at the moment. Maybe we can find a "mommy track" position for you where you are still working 50 hours a week (which really translates to 55-60 hours when you account for getting in early to set up, signing out, the inevitable case that is closing right at 5pm, etc...)

This is the cause of burnout in so many professions. Corporations and organizations get larger and larger and you just become a faceless drone. There is no flexibility to make the lifestyle you want. Physicians used to be their own boss. Now we are cogs in some gigantic dystopian system. You want to avoid burnout? Start your own business and be your own boss...even if it's just a neighborhood bar that serves delicious local craft beer.
 
I work with a married couple, an orthopedist and a gastroenterologist, who opened a brewery. But they're not giving up their day jobs.

Ya but they also had 2 other investor/partners who put up a ton of money as well.
 
Well last night was my last real call at the hospital for a while. Busy all day. Just too many rooms running cause it's typical Friday with add ons with surgeons before the weekends.

We have beeper call and Ob covered by crna but MD has to be present for c/s per hospital by laws. MD covers OR solo at night and we work 50% of our own cases anyways. Got done at 815pm in OR. Stuck around till 9pm for pacu and left hospital. Thank god didnt get called back in.

I'm gonna to take a job at a VA hospital in 10 days with more stable work/life balance. Less money. But less stress. And I'm gonna to be home by 400-415pm almost every day. Actually have dinner with the kids daily instead of random days. Actually have time take my son and daughter to after school acivities and weekend acivities. And calls at the VA are once every 6 weeks and it's beeper. Low acuity. And no Ob obviously.
 
Tell that to all the doctors who are forced to attend mandatory EPIC training (often 8 hours or more) on their own time. Uncompensated of course.

Fair, but EPIC implementation improved our department'a billing by almost 20-30% at least allegedly. That's not insignificant.
 
Wow, there's a lot of doom and gloom and negativity here, but honestly that isn't surprising. I agree, burnout is a problem, and being part of a "service" specialty is definitely a contributor to that problem. I see it all the time: when in the OR, fighting with the idiocy of certain surgeons (usually the specialists like neurosurgeons and neurointerventionalists) can get trying. Those days, I'm crying for my week in the ICU to come sooner. Then I face a different surgical idiocy: a cardiac surgeon who thinks he understands hemodynamics and proceeds to volume overload his POD 7 thoracoabdominal repair for "sepsis" to the point of heart failure: the problems of an "open" ICU. However all is NOT doom and gloom. In the ICU I have my share of "closed ICU" patients: medical and ECMO patients in whom I still feel I make a difference. No one touches those patients other than my service, and it is very gratifying to get the young mother of 3 in severe ARDS from H1N1, doomed to die elsewhere, but who makes it through an ecmo run at our place to walk out of the hospital back to her toddlers.

Still, the combo job can be VERY trying, and the death and dying in the ICU can get to you. You need to make sure your entire job isn't only the clinical aspects. In academic practice I've started to focus on resident education in the ICUs and to try and change our residents' perspective of CCM from one of service only to one where I can show them we actually make a difference. In addition, for an academic practice I get a good amount of time off to recover from clinical duty (especially ICU) duty.

RE: closed ICUs. We manage, through teleICU, some community ICUs. It's given me some insight: many community ICUs are managed by hospital medicine with an occasional consult to a pulmonary "Intensivist" who barely does anything for that patient. So not even community ICUs are closed at all times. A surgical patient gets admitted and then the surgeon still interferes because the medicine guys want nothing to do with surgical patients.

What I'm saying is that if Anesthesiology becomes a problem, critical care in the community is still a possibility, at least for me. You don't need to be ABIM boarded if there are no medical residents. Actually, one of our Anesthesia / CCM docs will assume control of that ICU and begin a real CCM service.

Back to my academic practice, salary is good, despite it being W-2. I don't take OR call, and I only pick up extra telemedicine ICU shifts that I think will be less busy, for the extra cash, and less likely to contribute to burnout. Plus, I SAVE and INVEST (in low-cost index funds) a lot of my salary because the ultimate focus down the road is to work because I want to, not because I have to.

Focus on the doom and gloom and I think you'll only accelerate the burnout process. Find a way to focus on some other endeavors to help keep you sane.


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. Plus, I SAVE and INVEST (in low-cost index funds) a lot of my salary because the ultimate focus down the road is to live to work, not work to live.

Focus on the doom and gloom and I think you'll only accelerate the burnout process. Find a way to focus on some other endeavors to help keep you sane.


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I think you may have that backwards, chief. At least I hope you do.
 
Fair, but EPIC implementation improved our department'a billing by almost 20-30% at least allegedly. That's not insignificant.

That's because it's an academic department where no one gives a **** about billing 'cuz they get paid the same regardless. EPIC isn't gonna help PP guys who know and care about billing 'cuz it actually affects their bottom line.
 
That's because it's an academic department where no one gives a **** about billing 'cuz they get paid the same regardless. EPIC isn't gonna help PP guys who know and care about billing 'cuz it actually affects their bottom line.

Haha that's very accurate. They make us do some of our own billing in critical care, so I'm a little more cognizant. But I don't care if I bill 10 minutes of CC time or 100 minutes. Makes no difference to me.

As far as anesthesia time? No clue how it works. I'm happy to be oblivious to it for now.


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I'm gonna to take a job at a VA hospital in 10 days with more stable work/life balance. Less money. But less stress. And I'm gonna to be home by 400-415pm almost every day. Actually have dinner with the kids daily instead of random days. Actually have time take my son and daughter to after school acivities and weekend acivities. And calls at the VA are once every 6 weeks and it's beeper. Low acuity. And no Ob obviously.

Good for you, man! A buddy of mine works at the VA and compared to what I do, his job is a piece of cake. He's trying to convince me to get a job at the VA and for the first time, I am seriously considering it.
 
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