Anesthesiologist Saturation in Certain States?

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Hey everybody I was wondering if anybody knew any websites that gave information on Anesthesiologist Saturation in particular states. The reason I ask is that I really do want to end up back in my home state (Mid-Western state), mainly because of a family member that has serious mental illness problems that I am partly responsible for.

Anesthesia is something that has just recently become a field that I am seriously looking into. I'm an MS1, and I shadowed an Anesthesiologist recently and loved it. I was just curious as to how easy it would be for me to find a job in my home state. (It is probably just as hard to find a job with other specialties as well, but I am looking for any kind of info as to Physician Saturation by Specialties in specific states).

Any help would be appreciated.
 
It's hard to say that an entire state is saturated. In some states, certain cities can be saturated but the rural areas of the state are wide open. If you had to classify a state as being saturated or not then based off my personal and fellow CA3's job hunting experiences CA and UT are saturated👎. I'm in a residency program in the midwest and it seams like the midwest is wide open, with many of the midwest cities recruiting for starting salaries in the top 95%, and rural midwest recruiting for starting salaries in the top 99%. I don't consider Texas to be part of the midwest, but Austin is saturated. Dallas is almost saturated, there still are jobs, but they are not boasting salaries that can compete with midwest salaries.


GolfingDoc said:
Hey everybody I was wondering if anybody knew any websites that gave information on Anesthesiologist Saturation in particular states. The reason I ask is that I really do want to end up back in my home state (Mid-Western state), mainly because of a family member that has serious mental illness problems that I am partly responsible for.

Anesthesia is something that has just recently become a field that I am seriously looking into. I'm an MS1, and I shadowed an Anesthesiologist recently and loved it. I was just curious as to how easy it would be for me to find a job in my home state. (It is probably just as hard to find a job with other specialties as well, but I am looking for any kind of info as to Physician Saturation by Specialties in specific states).

Any help would be appreciated.
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Anesthesiology has gone through some feast and famine cycles. An attending at Loyola told me it goes in a 10 year cycle. The early 90's were the last period where jobs were difficult. It has generally been good since. And I'm not expecting any bad bump soon.
From reading here it seems that NYC/NJ is tight. I think large cities in Cali are tight. Other than that, right now, it is a buyer's market.
You can get a job in Chicago, and you'll always be able to get a job in Effingham.
It is likely that there are certain locations that are so desirable in the midwest that they would be tight. For example, it is probably harder to get a job in Ann Arbor or Madison, Wisc, than in any generic midwest city.

I say don't worry, be happy. Study phys and path like crazy, do a good residency, and do it in the area you want to live.
 
Arizona seems to have jobs. Utah is tight, but seems like a lot of their residents get PP jobs there. Idaho, Wyoming, Montana always seem to have some work. Washington and Oregon depending on where you want to go seem to have openings, maybe tighter in the big city. California is a big state with tons of groups to choose from. New Mexico? Don't know much about that state. Any input?
 
I grew up in a smaller metropolitan area (city pop. 200,000, plus surrounding towns/suburbs/unincorporated areas) and have always assumed I'd return to a similar area. Simply looking at supply and demand I think it is one of the smartest things I could do. Big cities are saturated with doctors, driving down salaries. Small cities offer higher salaries and lower cost of living (you're richer in 2 ways). I think it would be silly to not give serious consideration to the small city.

If you really want to milk the supply and demand, trade down to a large town.
 
panetrain said:
It's hard to say that an entire state is saturated. In some states, certain cities can be saturated but the rural areas of the state are wide open. If you had to classify a state as being saturated or not then based off my personal and fellow CA3's job hunting experiences CA and UT are saturated👎. I'm in a residency program in the midwest and it seams like the midwest is wide open, with many of the midwest cities recruiting for starting salaries in the top 95%, and rural midwest recruiting for starting salaries in the top 99%. I don't consider Texas to be part of the midwest, but Austin is saturated. Dallas is almost saturated, there still are jobs, but they are not boasting salaries that can compete with midwest salaries.
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Hmmm.... That's not good for me. I'm a Utah boy and would like to end up back there. 30 out of the 102 people from last years graduating class from Univ. of Utah's Medical School went into Anesthesiology. That's probably why the market is saturated. It's sad but I really am re-considering my whole Anesthesia plan if the Utah market is way too saturated. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
 
Utah is not the midwest.

If you are in the midwest you are 1) near corn and 2) far from skiing.

Regarless, I would not base your career choice on what the market will be like in 5 years. Even if it's bad, the market will come back eventually.

Do you really need to be in UTAH or is is just a distance from a particular location.
 
You said Mid Western as in out west. We all thought you meant the midwest, at least I did.
I wouldn't worry too much. Lots of those Utah people probably matched out of the state, and are likely to stay near where they went.
If you have to live in Utah and are convinced it will be a problem then consider another field.
 
tracheatoedoc said:
You said Mid Western as in out west. We all thought you meant the midwest, at least I did.
I wouldn't worry too much. Lots of those Utah people probably matched out of the state, and are likely to stay near where they went.
If you have to live in Utah and are convinced it will be a problem then consider another field.
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I'm not convinced it will be a problem. I actually have no idea if it will be a problem, that's why I started this thread to see if there were some data out there about specific specialty saturations in states.

Oh, and I guess Utah really isn't the midwest. For some reason I always think it is. I typically think of the west as the west coast. But I'm wrong on that, so sorry for the confusion.

And I really do want to end up in Utah. I actually need to, to take care of a family member with serious mental illness issues.
 
I doubt that there's any location so saturated that its actually impossible to find a job there. As with everything, it may well involve some sort of trade off (i.e. less pay/benefits, more hours/call, etc...) but it sounds like you've got a compelling reason to make that sacrifice for a particular location.
 
GolfingDoc said:
And I really do want to end up in Utah. I actually need to, to take care of a family member with serious mental illness issues.
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I can certainly understand the need to be near family. But if your family is in Garden City, a job in St George's probably isn't what you want. You can be in Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming and Colorado quicker than St George. I don't understand the narrow focus on Utah.

Where is your family member and how close do you have to be? If you really need to be close to a family member - as in check on them after work every day - that become a MUCH trickier proposition.
 
I will agree with your concern. I too have wanted to work in the SLC area, but there does not seem to be many jobs - and this has been the case for some time. I've been checking Gaswork.com for several years and certain states always have many, many adverts. NY, MA, WA, CA, FL are a few that come to mind. These state will have several pages of adverts. I have never seen more that 4 jobs at one time for Utah - and when they are present, they tend to be for locum work.

Also, when I interviewed there back when, the Chair seemed very smug about this situation. He made it clear that if you didn't graduate from the Utah program you had little chance of finding work in SLC private practice. He stated most of the residents stayed in the area and he and PD could get you a job with just phone call most of the time.

The fact is the U of U grads pretty much own northern Utah.
 
Lasvegas said:
The fact is the U of U grads pretty much own northern Utah.
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I have no reason to doubt that, but I don't think gaswork is much of a useful gauge.


NY, CA & FL have a few more OR's than Utah. They should have many more ads. Gaswork is also disproportionately full of jobs that are very hard to fill. If groups in Utah are reasonable to work for, they don't have to advertise.
 
GolfingDoc said:
Hmmm.... That's not good for me. I'm a Utah boy and would like to end up back there. 30 out of the 102 people from last years graduating class from Univ. of Utah's Medical School went into Anesthesiology. That's probably why the market is saturated. It's sad but I really am re-considering my whole Anesthesia plan if the Utah market is way too saturated. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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you are trying to predict 6 years into the future. why dont you concentrate first on matching in utah.. then after that worry about getting a job there. Im sure you could get a job in academics if thats what you want
 
I agree with what Lasvegas has stated. I grew up in Utah and have been following the anesthesia market there for years. It truly is saturated unless you have insider connections. If you want to tap into this market you first need to get into U of U, which is an extremely competitive anesthesia program. I recently interviewed there for pain fellowship. The PD said that out of last years class only 1 graduating anesthesia resident was able to find just locums work in the SLC area. The pain market there seems to be locked up tighter than the national treasury. I would love to go back to Utah, it is my first choice for employment. But now I'm looking for other areas such as Las Vegas, Seattle area, Phoenix area, Urban/Rural Nor Cal etc...I do agree that in 6 years the market can change, but my prediction is that the saturation of Utah will ONLY worsen! As for choosing another specialty just to be able to practice in Utah, this is not a good idea. Nearly everyone that I know from nearly all specialties who want to go back to Utah have the same complaints regarding the saturation of their field. If there are any Utah PP attendings or U of U gas residents reading this, I would love to hear your perspectives.


Lasvegas said:
I will agree with your concern. I too have wanted to work in the SLC area, but there does not seem to be many jobs - and this has been the case for some time. I've been checking Gaswork.com for several years and certain states always have many, many adverts. NY, MA, WA, CA, FL are a few that come to mind. These state will have several pages of adverts. I have never seen more that 4 jobs at one time for Utah - and when they are present, they tend to be for locum work.

Also, when I interviewed there back when, the Chair seemed very smug about this situation. He made it clear that if you didn't graduate from the Utah program you had little chance of finding work in SLC private practice. He stated most of the residents stayed in the area and he and PD could get you a job with just phone call most of the time.

The fact is the U of U grads pretty much own northern Utah.
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Greatest snow on earth close by + awesome mountains + multiple great national parks within short driving distance + great family atmosphere + good schools + low crime rate + decent cost of living + decent weather with 4 seasons + no frequent major natural disasters (e.g. earthquake, ice storm, tornado, hurricane, etc) + great football + good basketball + SLC big enough to attract big name venues + good traffic = great place to live

That's why everybody wants to live there (or so I hear, never actually lived there before)
I challenge anyone to name one place that has the same or better qualities😀

Really... it would be very interesting, any takers? (in a nonthreatening, for joy and fun, sort of way)
 
Wasn't really asking for why not utah, only why somewhere else (bear in mind this is coming from someone who's lived in Cali their entire life!)
 
panetrain said:
However, Utah also has the lowest use of Alcohol, Tobacco and Illegal drug use. So pick your poison.😱
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I'd be depressed too if I didn't drink.
 
Why Utah?

From my limited experience they produce a lot of medical students - who spread out all over the US seeking slots that can't be had in Utah. And many of them, I suspect, want to move back.

Why they turn out so many med students I don't know.

Maybe the lack of bad behavior by Utah residents keeps the caseload down as well 🙂
 
I'm sure it's just that there are an increasingly large number of Mormons entering medicine relative to a lot of other groups. To a large extent, Mormons want to live/feel most comfortable in Utah. Add that to the fact that it is beautiful, a good place for outdoor activities, and all western states are generally getting larger population-wise, it doesn't surprise me too much.
 
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