Another Loupes thread :)

[anon1025]

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I have been checking out loupes recently. They are quite expensive so I figure I put some research into it before investing money.

Is there a big difference between those high end loupes by Zeiss which are quite expensive compared to orascoptic, DVG, surgitel etc.

What is your take on this? any other info about mag, price etc is appreciated. 👍

 

[Sajitude]

Well Zeiss is way out there in price, but orascoptic, DSV, and surgitel roughly run the same price. Most D1's get 2.5 and many buy a higher mag before they graduate. All 3 companies have through the lens, and DSV is the only one that doesn't have flip ups. DSV was the first company to patent through the lens loupes.

I bought a pair of DSV 3.5x with led light, and peronsally I did not like them. When I really started using them I noticed my pair was not as clear as I expected than I found out many kids in my class were going through the same thing. Most of the people in my class that bought DSV sent theres back. All companies offer a 45 day risk free trial which I strongly recommend you take them up on, nothing beats personal experience.

IMO I really like surgitel and recently bought a pair of 2.75x.

 

[Hysteria24]

Well Zeiss is way out there in price, but orascoptic, DSV, and surgitel roughly run the same price. Most D1's get 2.5 and many buy a higher mag before they graduate. All 3 companies have through the lens, and DSV is the only one that doesn't have flip ups. DSV was the first company to patent through the lens loupes.

I bought a pair of DSV 3.5x with led light, and peronsally I did not like them. When I really started using them I noticed my pair was not as clear as I expected than I found out many kids in my class were going through the same thing. Most of the people in my class that bought DSV sent theres back. All companies offer a 45 day risk free trial which I strongly recommend you take them up on, nothing beats personal experience.

DSV? Is that the same as DFV (Designs For Vision) or are you talking about a different company?

 

[moxn]

I have been checking out loupes recently. They are quite expensive so I figure I put some research into it before investing money.

Is there a big difference between those high end loupes by Zeiss which are quite expensive compared to orascoptic, DVG, surgitel etc.

What is your take on this? any other info about mag, price etc is appreciated. 👍

i know the german loupes are really expensive, but if you're spending money, invest in a pair that you will use for quite some time.

i have a pair of 2.5X surgitels and i know the specs are not exact. the heine rep pointed it out and it was totally obvious. if you compare 2.5X heine loupes with 2.5X surgitels you'll see the surgitel magnifies less. i suppose they round up in their labeling.
also, after becoming accustomed to the surgitels, i realized that 2.5X magnification really is not THAT great.

i took the plunge and bought a pair of 4X prismatic zeiss loupes, and they're amazing. i can SEE a lot of the problems that i had to feel for with an explorer. people say 4X is a lot, but if you have good posture, and don't move around a lot, then 4X is really a delight. people get tired of high magnification loupes because they move too much and their eyes have to keep refocusing... good posture is really key to liking your loupes.

just a little aside. setting the intepupillary distance on the zeiss prismatic loupes is a bitch. it's much easier to adjust the heine loupes.
if you decide to stick with 2.5X then the galilean zeiss loupes are really easy to adjust. also, prismatic zeiss loupes are pretty heavy.


prismatic heine loupes are $1259.
prismatic zeiss loupes are $1459.

 

[Sajitude]

DSV? Is that the same as DFV (Designs For Vision) or are you talking about a different company?

Yes I was referring to Designs for Vision

 

[Lurchdubious]

I have the Heine 2.5's and so far I like them. Mine are the flip-up loupes, and I do use that function all the time, but I may go with TTL for my next pair. A lot of my classmates really like their Surgitels and DFV. Quite a few have Orascoptic as well. My only regret is that I didn't buy another brand as well as the Heine's and try both out for a few weeks before returning one. I just got lazy and kept the Heine's, but yeah, they work just fine.

 

[Hysteria24]

Yes I was referring to Designs for Vision

Interesting... Myself and many of my classmates opted for the DFV 3.5x EF. I read many old threads, and it seemed to be a consensus that they were a pretty sweet set-up. Care to elaborate on the problems you and your classmates encountered (so I can look for that when I receive mine).

I also liked the 3.5x EF through-the-lens from Surgitel on the Oakley Frames. I couldn't even feel them on my head they were so comfortable. None of the samples were ligned up correctly with my eyes so I couldn't get an honest feel for the optics. They do have a ~45 day return period, but they would make me keep the Oakley frames (with holes in the lenses) and they would keep $200. 👎

To the OP: We had about 7 vendors come to our school. Most people went with orascoptic, DFV, or surgitel. Zeiss wasn't a popular choice for many. Some claimed it was Heine that had the best optics.

 

[Sajitude]

Interesting... Myself and many of my classmates opted for the DFV 3.5x EF. I read many old threads, and it seemed to be a consensus that they were a pretty sweet set-up. Care to elaborate on the problems you and your classmates encountered (so I can look for that when I receive mine).

I also liked the 3.5x EF through-the-lens from Surgitel on the Oakley Frames. I couldn't even feel them on my head they were so comfortable. None of the samples were ligned up correctly with my eyes so I couldn't get an honest feel for the optics. They do have a ~45 day return period, but they would make me keep the Oakley frames (with holes in the lenses) and they would keep $200. 👎

To the OP: We had about 7 vendors come to our school. Most people went with orascoptic, DFV, or surgitel. Zeiss wasn't a popular choice for many. Some claimed it was Heine that had the best optics.

Well most of us got them in the Nike frame and the weight is definitely not well balanced. In terms of the clarity at that higher mag it started blurring tooth anatomy together and I could see far more detail with my naked eye than my loupes. I thought maybe it was just me but I believe 3-5 other people in my class suffered from the exact same problem. I love their customer service and the rep is a really nice guy, I would have preferred to stay with them than any of the other companies.

That is insane the surgitel rep expected you to pay a $200 fee for trying the oakley loupes, all the companies tend to give you some kind of risk free trial. What would you do with a pair of oakley frames with holes in the lenses?

 

[Theo]

My brother in law is just finishing up with Ortho school and told me he doesn't really need his loupes anymore and would sell them to me for a good price. They are zeiss's and I believe they are a 4X.

My question is: Should I buy his or should I try some out when I get to school? Is it a problem to use a different person's loupes, meaning are they a custom fit or would I be ok to use them? I don't really know to much about them so any information would be helpful!! Thanks!

 

[Lurchdubious]

My brother in law is just finishing up with Ortho school and told me he doesn't really need his loupes anymore and would sell them to me for a good price. They are zeiss's and I believe they are a 4X.

My question is: Should I buy his or should I try some out when I get to school? Is it a problem to use a different person's loupes, meaning are they a custom fit or would I be ok to use them? I don't really know to much about them so any information would be helpful!! Thanks!

Is he about the same height as you? If not then your "working distance" will be off. Also, I don't remember if you can set the interpupillary distance on the zeiss or not, but that needs to be customized to you. Other than that, if he gives you a good price on the 4x I would buy them. I have 2.5's now and plan on buying 3.5-4x right before I graduate.

Maybe someone who owns Zeiss loupes will chime in about the viewing field w/4x mag, cuz that might be an issue too.

 

[midwestboy]

I tried the others and settled on the Heine flip up's...contrary to popular belief they are $971 thru the dental school...the clarity is phenomenal! I have 20in working distance, but can see from about 15-24 in...i like the flip ups because they allow me to work in a variety of positions without straining my back...im sure patients will be a lot different from the typodont, but im satisfied with them...

 

[Theo]

Is he about the same height as you? If not then your "working distance" will be off. Also, I don't remember if you can set the interpupillary distance on the zeiss or not, but that needs to be customized to you. Other than that, if he gives you a good price on the 4x I would buy them. I have 2.5's now and plan on buying 3.5-4x right before I graduate.

Maybe someone who owns Zeiss loupes will chime in about the viewing field w/4x mag, cuz that might be an issue too.

He is a couple inches shorter than me, but not much! Is it something that if I get them for a good deal, I can pay a little money to get them adjusted to me?

 

[Lurchdubious]

He is a couple inches shorter than me, but not much! Is it something that if I get them for a good deal, I can pay a little money to get them adjusted to me?

I think you should be fine. Maybe try getting ahold of a Zeiss rep? They're salesmen, so they should be fairly easy to find 😀. Either try thru your school or just google it?

 

[Lurchdubious]

I tried the others and settled on the Heine flip up's...contrary to popular belief they are $971 thru the dental school...the clarity is phenomenal! I have 20in working distance, but can see from about 15-24 in...i like the flip ups because they allow me to work in a variety of positions without straining my back...im sure patients will be a lot different from the typodont, but im satisfied with them...

I agree man. The Heine depth of field is great!

 

[jonxjizza]

My brother in law is just finishing up with Ortho school and told me he doesn't really need his loupes anymore and would sell them to me for a good price. They are zeiss's and I believe they are a 4X.

My question is: Should I buy his or should I try some out when I get to school? Is it a problem to use a different person's loupes, meaning are they a custom fit or would I be ok to use them? I don't really know to much about them so any information would be helpful!! Thanks!

How much is he letting you have them for? I've got the Zeiss in 4x, 20" working distance, and I am pleased. As long as you make sure the working distance works for you, every other measurement is adjustable. If your bro-in-law is just a couple of inches shorter than you, his loupes might work. Maybe he'll let you give them a spin before you buy?

 

[Theo]

How much is he letting you have them for? I've got the Zeiss in 4x, 20" working distance, and I am pleased. As long as you make sure the working distance works for you, every other measurement is adjustable. If your bro-in-law is just a couple of inches shorter than you, his loupes might work. Maybe he'll let you give them a spin before you buy?

Cool, thanks for the information!

 

[eleminopee]

I have orascoptic 2.5x hi res somethign rather, and i love them. best depth of field and detail. Most of my class has them

Also, check out the Featherlight from Ultralight Optics. Best loupe light on the planet for sure, $495 w/student discount.