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I may be slow on this one, but here's a link for yet another Osteopathic Medical School.

http://www.middlesborodailynews.com/articles/2006/05/13/news/736breaking.txt

Now I will be the 1st to say that I am not a huge fan of the Osteoexplosion that has occured in the past few years, but at least this one is in a state without an osteopathic medical school already. When I started medical school, I think there were 19 DO schools. It seems like now there are 40. I have no clue how many there are now.
 
DOnut said:
I may be slow on this one, but here's a link for yet another Osteopathic Medical School.

http://www.middlesborodailynews.com/articles/2006/05/13/news/736breaking.txt

Now I will be the 1st to say that I am not a huge fan of the Osteoexplosion that has occured in the past few years, but at least this one is in a state without an osteopathic medical school already. When I started medical school, I think there were 19 DO schools. It seems like now there are 40. I have no clue how many there are now.

Supposedly the current expansion will peak at 32 total schools within the next 5 years. Don't ask me where that little tidbit of info comes from.

1. ATSU
2. AZCOM
3. CCOM
4. DMU-COM
5. KCUMB
6. LECOM
7. LECOM -B
8. MSUCOM
9. NSUCOM
10. NYCOM
11. OSUCOM
12. OUCOM
13. PCOM
14. PCOM-GA
15. PCSOM
16. TUCOM-MI
17. TUCOM- NV
18. UMDNJ
17.UNECOM
18. TCOM
19. VCOM
20. COMP
21. WVSOM
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22. ATSU - Phoenix, AZ
23. LMU - Harrogate, TN
24. Touro? - Harlem, NY
25. Rocky Vista University COM - Denver, CO
26. Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences - Yakima, WA
27.?
28.?
29.?
30.?
31.?
32.?

I guess Touro-NY should be stricken from the list. I wonder if since they're going allo, we will only end up with 31?

Another thread on new DO schools with more info on LMU.
 
27. Robert Morris University COM- Moon Township, PA. Applied: 2004
28. Barry University COM- North Miami Beach, FL. Applied: Spring 2005
29. University of Souther Nevada- Applied: Fall 2005

Along with your five (total of 8), that is all that have actually applied so far.
 
Only LMU and ATSU have been approved. The rest are on the drawling board and wont necessarily happen (yes i know they will).
 
JonnyG said:
Only LMU and ATSU have been approved. The rest are on the drawling board and wont necessarily happen (yes i know they will).

COCA met in April for Touro-NY. Expect to hear something soon.
 
When will the branches start having branches? I can't wait for that ridiculousness to start happening.


Maybe these ass wads should create more residencies or at least have a joint match so people aren't getting ****ed....instead, they appear to be money generating mills.


I mainly pissed off today about the email stating a 2600 tuition hike.
 
Yea this is starting to kinda get ridiculous. At what point will it stop? I m all for DO expansion, but quality should be more concern than quantity. Why is it that there are like 50 DO schools in the appalachian mountains. Why not make them in better locations and closer to research institutions.

The AOA should require atleast the number of intern or trad spots as they have grads to open a new school. Atleast after an intern year you can practice. Encouragement for some labs would be a good thing too.
 
I'll admit I don't know any specifics...but how do you know that their are no labs/research facilities planned at the new schools?
 
DOnut said:
I may be slow on this one, but here's a link for yet another Osteopathic Medical School.

http://www.middlesborodailynews.com/articles/2006/05/13/news/736breaking.txt

Now I will be the 1st to say that I am not a huge fan of the Osteoexplosion that has occured in the past few years, but at least this one is in a state without an osteopathic medical school already. When I started medical school, I think there were 19 DO schools. It seems like now there are 40. I have no clue how many there are now.


It's becoming a little ridiculous when they're building osteopathic medical schools in states that already have them -- Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, for example. It especially seems ridiculous to me that Barry wants an osteopathic school when Nova and LECOM are already here and they're establishing two new allopathic schools in Florida.

If I remember correctly, some states don't have either medical schools -- allopathic or osteopathic.

If they're going to build osteopathic schools in places that already have medical schools, why don't they build an osteopathic medical school in Boston? It seems like a lot of people want to go to medical school in Boston.
 
Oculus Sinistra said:
It's becoming a little ridiculous when they're building osteopathic medical schools in states that already have them -- Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, for example. It especially seems ridiculous to me that Barry wants an osteopathic school when Nova and LECOM are already here and they're establishing two new allopathic schools in Florida.

If I remember correctly, some states don't have either medical schools -- allopathic or osteopathic.

If they're going to build osteopathic schools in places that already have medical schools, why don't they build an osteopathic medical school in Boston? It seems like a lot of people want to go to medical school in Boston.


While I see your point, and it is obviously a good one, there's not much that can be done until there are stricter regulations put on the opening of schools but I don't see that happening any time soon.
 
Oculus Sinistra said:
It's becoming a little ridiculous when they're building osteopathic medical schools in states that already have them -- Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, for example. It especially seems ridiculous to me that Barry wants an osteopathic school when Nova and LECOM are already here and they're establishing two new allopathic schools in Florida.

If I remember correctly, some states don't have either medical schools -- allopathic or osteopathic.

If they're going to build osteopathic schools in places that already have medical schools, why don't they build an osteopathic medical school in Boston? It seems like a lot of people want to go to medical school in Boston.

Keep in mind that there is a lot more driving the growth of schools, both allo and DO, than just geographical distribution. The demographics of population and health care usage vary dramatically by state - it's no accident that there are a ton of med schools both allo and DO in the northeast, or that Florida might attract several schools since Florida is very high in health care spending . I really don't know why DO schools pick the exact locations they do, but I'm not at all surprised they're not neatly distributed across the map. I'm sure there's some reasoning behind the choices...and no, I don't believe the theory that the faculty chose Bradenton in order to pick up some lucrative Florida real estate close to the school. Give me a break! :laugh:
 
NRAI2001 said:
Yea this is starting to kinda get ridiculous. At what point will it stop? I m all for DO expansion, but quality should be more concern than quantity. Why is it that there are like 50 DO schools in the appalachian mountains. Why not make them in better locations and closer to research institutions.

The AOA should require atleast the number of intern or trad spots as they have grads to open a new school. Atleast after an intern year you can practice. Encouragement for some labs would be a good thing too.
I think the reason that there are more schools concentrated in "less than ideal locations" (that hurts as I am from Appalachia) is that most schools are founded on the idea that they will produce family practice docs to fill a need in the area.
 
Oculus Sinistra said:
It's becoming a little ridiculous when they're building osteopathic medical schools in states that already have them -- Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, for example. It especially seems ridiculous to me that Barry wants an osteopathic school when Nova and LECOM are already here and they're establishing two new allopathic schools in Florida.

If I remember correctly, some states don't have either medical schools -- allopathic or osteopathic.


I predict Flexner will be resurrected from his grave!!!! Better yet, they should start a new school. The Abraham Flexner College of Osteopathic Medicine (AFCOM). :meanie:
 
DOnut, it's funny you mention that. In a recent New England Journal of Medicine article on "medical education" a prominent physician describes the current state of medical education and actually makes a similar prediction. Another Flexner report or some other kind of review of the current national situation seems to be approaching and, in my opinion, warranted.
 
DORoe said:
I think the reason that there are more schools concentrated in "less than ideal locations" (that hurts as I am from Appalachia) is that most schools are founded on the idea that they will produce family practice docs to fill a need in the area.


But do you really need like 500 FPs a year? I understand one or two schools but how many are there now in that region?
 
Careofme said:
DOnut, it's funny you mention that. In a recent New England Journal of Medicine article on "medical education" a prominent physician describes the current state of medical education and actually makes a similar prediction. Another Flexner report or some other kind of review of the current national situation seems to be approaching and, in my opinion, warranted.


What did the article say?
 
bodymechanic said:
I really don't know why DO schools pick the exact locations they do, but I'm not at all surprised they're not neatly distributed across the map. I'm sure there's some reasoning behind the choices...and no, I don't believe the theory that the faculty chose Bradenton in order to pick up some lucrative Florida real estate close to the school.

Their was once a Florida College of Osteopathic Medicine established in Tarpon Springs in 1994 (fairly close to Bradenton) that never really got off of the ground because of money, I believe. The original founders were looking to the community to generate something like 8 or 10 million dollars, but they wouldn't bite. LECOM looked around Tarpon Springs for their own sight after that, but found one south of that in Bradenton instead. The state of Florida has been very accomodating to LECOM. Last year they gave them $325,000. In return, LECOM gives Florida residents a slightly lower tuition. I don't know if there are any other parts to their bargain, though. That's at least part of the reason as to why LECOM chose Bradenton.
 
NRAI2001 said:
What did the article say?
The Family Business — To Educate (No, it's not about LECOM 😉 )

It's a bit hard to summarize as it rambles through various topics, but essentially I think it's a call for medical education to do a better job of optimizing patient care throughout the curriculum, both grad and undergrad. That's what I got at least...
 
NRAI2001 said:
But do you really need like 500 FPs a year? I understand one or two schools but how many are there now in that region?
"One way the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) is working to improve—at least temporarily—primary health care in areas with few, if any, doctors is by taking advantage of the J-1 Visa Waiver Program. This national program waives a requirement that foreign medical graduates who have come to the United States for residency training return to their home countries for at least two years after receiving the training. Instead, the physicians are allowed to remain in the United States, provided they agree to work in medically underserved areas. ARC's J-1 program, which requires the physicians to spend at least three years in one of the Region's Health Professional Shortage Areas (a U.S. Bureau of Primary Health Care designation based on physician-to-population ratios and household income), has placed more than a thousand physicians in over 200 Appalachian communities since 1994, giving tens of thousands of patients in remote communities better access to health care. But the J-1 Visa Waiver Program is generally seen as a temporary solution to a long-term problem." http://www.arc.gov/index.do?nodeId=1283

I figure as long as they are doing this we can use more doctors. We are talking about a region where about 75% of all counties are considered medically underserved. We could probably find a place for 500 fp's. BTW there are 3 DO schools in this region now (WVSOM, PCSOM, and OUCOM) with 1 on the way.
 
bodymechanic said:
The Family Business — To Educate (No, it's not about LECOM 😉 )

It's a bit hard to summarize as it rambles through various topics, but essentially I think it's a call for medical education to do a better job of optimizing patient care throughout the curriculum, both grad and undergrad. That's what I got at least...

My take on it is that the current system is not really conducive to "learning." I liked the analogy of a third-year med student on training wheels being thrown into the middle of a highway and expected to "learn" amidst the chaos.
 
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bodymechanic said:
Keep in mind that there is a lot more driving the growth of schools, both allo and DO, than just geographical distribution. The demographics of population and health care usage vary dramatically by state - it's no accident that there are a ton of med schools both allo and DO in the northeast, or that Florida might attract several schools since Florida is very high in health care spending .

I'm sure of it and I'm sure it has a lot to do with the fact that so many elderly people live in Florida (especially South Florida) and older people tend to see their doctors more often than younger people (perhaps that's an understatement).

bodymechanic said:
I'm sure there's some reasoning behind the choices...and no, I don't believe the theory that the faculty chose Bradenton in order to pick up some lucrative Florida real estate close to the school. Give me a break! :laugh:

That's definitely an interesting theory and I wouldn't at all be surprised if it were true.
 
I completely agree with the above poster.
The Northwest US should have another medical school. I've posted on a thread before regarding this subject. The school looking to start up in Yakima, Wa should be a priority among both the osteopathic and allopathic medical professions. UWash is a remarkable institution, but there are areas of need in the Pacific Northwest and even the combination of UWash, OHSU, and COMP can't fill the need like another primary-care oriented medical college. In addition, is there not a large immigrant population near Yakima?
There is great potential in the area with Central Wash U and a branch of Wash State U in the region, which might provide state university affiliations. I guess I'm a little optimistic, but a medical college with an open mind to the political and educational climate of the state would do well, especially if they were a public institution that could get along with UWash.
Personally, I hope to end up in the area following my training and would like an osteopathic medical college in the area in addition to UWash and OHSU where I could be on faculty.
 
subtle1epiphany said:
I completely agree with the above poster.
The Northwest US should have another medical school. I've posted on a thread before regarding this subject. The school looking to start up in Yakima, Wa should be a priority among both the osteopathic and allopathic medical professions. UWash is a remarkable institution, but there are areas of need in the Pacific Northwest and even the combination of UWash, OHSU, and COMP can't fill the need like another primary-care oriented medical college. In addition, is there not a large immigrant population near Yakima?
There is great potential in the area with Central Wash U and a branch of Wash State U in the region, which might provide state university affiliations. I guess I'm a little optimistic, but a medical college with an open mind to the political and educational climate of the state would do well, especially if they were a public institution that could get along with UWash.
Personally, I hope to end up in the area following my training and would like an osteopathic medical college in the area in addition to UWash and OHSU where I could be on faculty.


Ok Washington AND Alaska need medical schools 😉.
 
As far as Applachia goes we need as many doctors as we can get. The family practice doc I'm with has 12,000 pts. and that is average for most of the docs in the area. It's not because he wants a pt. load that large but, if he doesn't people don't recieve health care. People get scared about having all these schools opening up, my thoughts are that yes we need the schools, we just need them in places that are underserved ie. Applacia, Southwest, Northwest.
 
NRAI2001 said:
Yea this is starting to kinda get ridiculous. At what point will it stop? I m all for DO expansion, but quality should be more concern than quantity. Why is it that there are like 50 DO schools in the appalachian mountains. Why not make them in better locations and closer to research institutions.

The AOA should require atleast the number of intern or trad spots as they have grads to open a new school. Atleast after an intern year you can practice. Encouragement for some labs would be a good thing too.

The Appalachia region has always been underserved, as others have pointed out. Read the article in the original posting;the local population is excited about the economic benefits of a new medical school, and the founder is stressing that local applicants will be given precedence. This all sounds good. Medical care and economic/educational opportunity all need to improve in outlying parts of the country and this guy (who is obviously quite wealthy) is helping to make it happen.

I do agree that osteopathic schools seem to be behind when it comes to research. It's all very well to train GPs and FPs but to be a full featured medical school they really ought to have some research projects going on. This will enrich the student body by attracting a few DO/PhD nerds in addition to the regular bonesaws, they can compete for federal research grants, and they'll help raise osteopathy in the estimation of the mainstream medical community.

just my opinions 😉
 
theraball said:
I do agree that osteopathic schools seem to be behind when it comes to research. It's all very well to train GPs and FPs but to be a full featured medical school they really ought to have some research projects going on. This will enrich the student body by attracting a few DO/PhD nerds in addition to the regular bonesaws, they can compete for federal research grants, and they'll help raise osteopathy in the estimation of the mainstream medical community.

just my opinions 😉
I agree with you, especially with the research statement.
Osteopathic medical schools need to ramp up their research, this includes basic sciences and clinical research. It is imperative that they embrace the standards of medical education and academics. I'm not saying that they should abandon previous tenets and philosophies, because they have obviously served the profession well. However, medicine is changing and osteopathic physicians and the community need to grow along with the evolution of medical care. This means placing prior tenets under continual scrutiny, putting OMT to the test with basic science research, devising clinical trials that will effectively and rigorously examine the efficacy of OMT. Yes, I'm harping a bit on OMT, but this is a distinguishing face of Osteopathic medicine. Since we embrace it as such, we should hold it to the same standards as all other modalities of treatment.
New schools seeking AOA COCA approval and accreditation should be encouraged (perhaps required with a COCA change?) to seek a research university (public or private) where that affiliation will foster an increase in clinical and research and education opportunities. Succeeding in these areas are the key to the best medicine and furthering the goal of medicine, whether allopathic or osteopathic. This should be in addition to drawing clinical adjunct faculty in clinics and offices in the area and throughout the state. Proof of graduate medical programs in a number of diverse specialties should be presented to the council and this should be checked on a regular basis.
Regarding underserved areas, the osteopathic medical community has always faced the challenge of this population with open arms and wide smiles. We should continue to press for increases in the number of physicians that serve this needed but poorly esteemed area of medical care. Opening schools in areas where medical care and education is lacking has shown to help the situation. Likewise, there have been articles (including a great one in the March 1 issue of JAMA) that show that federally and privately funded organization such as the NHSC make a large difference in these areas. Federal funding for these programs should be increased with greater lobbying by the AMA/AOA, AAFP/ACOFP, ACP/ACOI, and other professional organizations. Further development should target areas like Idaho/Wyoming/Montana areas and Alaska and Appalachia. Perhaps, and I'm just putting this out there, a new medical college accredited by the AOA could be affiliated with another medical school in the area. Since I'm using Washington state as my prime example, UWash, this could expand the reach and service of the WWAMI program while placing a medical campus in that area.
Medicine in the hospital is a cooperative endeavor working for the good of the community at large. It is an investment by society in the future and in their own welfare. The establishment of academic medical centers should mirror this need and concern. The regulatory bodies of the AOA and the ACGME/LCME/ACCME should further focus on the establishment of campuses that increase research, provide academic centers for education of undergraduate and graduate professionals, while training future physicians and serving the community and populations at need.
 
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