Another pharmacy school in SoCal?

[Actinomycin]

Now UCI is going to be one awesome school, but another pharmacy school in this market?


The University of California, Irvine (UCI or UC Irvine) invites applications and nominations for the position of Director and Founding Dean, Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences. The new school is under development will be part of the Susan and Henry Samueli College of Health Sciences, which is comprised of four units: the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, a program in population health, and the schools of medicine and nursing. The college is part of an integrated UC Irvine Health system that also encompasses UCI’s clinics and Orange County’s only academic medical center.

The university seeks an accomplished leader and scholar with nationally and internationally recognized research, significant experience in diverse administrative and leadership roles, and a distinguished academic record that warrants appointment at the level of professor with tenure. The Founding Dean will have primary responsibility for building a world-class school partnering with the current Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences as the foundation, focusing on cutting edge research and training in both clinical and basic sciences, as well as leading the development of an innovative Pharm.D. degree program. It is expected that this growth will be fueled by the recruitment of a number of new faculty members, according the vision of the Founding Dean.

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[BMBiology]

There goes Chapman slogan of being the only pharmacy school in OC. There is already one.


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[smercer]

Well I guess the Chapman Dean was right. We are going to need 100,000 new pharmacists to staff all these new schools that are going to keep opening.

 

[lord999]

And Merced again gets screwed, how typical.

 

[steveysmith54]

Hope they teach those kids how to drive uber or handymen work like how to fix Pharmacy kiosks that will eliminate a ton of Pharmacy jobs.

You’d have to be naive and uninformed to go Pharmacy school today, or perhaps very mediocore undergrad student

 

[CardinalGirl210]

That is so ridiculous - hope those students get a guarantee of a job in writing.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

Shame on them

 

[UGAZ]

why do we need this many pharmacy schools? $$$$

 

[nasacort24hr]

why do we need this many pharmacy schools? $$$$

Isn't enrollment rate been declining? what on earth do these people think they can attract people to apply and make money?

 

[mentos]

Isn't enrollment rate been declining? what on earth do these people think they can attract people to apply and make money?

There are many schools with class sizes of 100, 200, 300+. Multiply that by 50k+ per year it's easy $$$$$$.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Once again, all of here messed up by not starting our own pharmacy school several years ago. I forget who here had brought up that great idea, but that is where the real future of pharmacy is....creating pharmacy schools.

 

[GypsyHummus]

What else are you supposed to do with a 3.0-3.2 GPA undergrad degree in Biology? Work in a lab at 15$/hour for the rest of your life?

Hope they teach those kids how to drive uber or handymen work like how to fix Pharmacy kiosks that will eliminate a ton of Pharmacy jobs.

You’d have to be naive and uninformed to go Pharmacy school today, or perhaps very mediocore undergrad student

 

[Seriously Serious]

What else are you supposed to do with a 3.0-3.2 GPA undergrad degree in Biology? Work in a lab at 15$/hour for the rest of your life?

Nursing.

 

[GypsyHummus]

unless you got a BS in Nursing, you would have to go back for the degree.

Nursing.

 

[Seriously Serious]

unless you got a BS in Nursing, you would have to go back for the degree.

I mean, you would have to do the same for pharmacy. Nursing post-degree is 1-1.5 years

 

[GypsyHummus]

I mean, you would have to do the same for pharmacy. Nursing post-degree is 1-1.5 years

But pharmacy (assmuming you can get a full time job) pays around 110k/year when nursing pay around 50k. Wouldn’t it make more sense to spend 2 more years in Pharmacy school to make twice as much more? Strictly speaking in the nursing BS vs PharmD degrees, I think the nurse anesthesia has it made.

 

[steveysmith54]

What else are you supposed to do with a 3.0-3.2 GPA undergrad degree in Biology? Work in a lab at 15$/hour for the rest of your life?

I’ve made the same argument before,
As well. I think now a days a 2-3 years of undergrad of community college or university will suffice for admission. However, knowing what I know now Id advice against it... finish your degree if you haven’t , if healthcare is a must; go to PA, NP, occupational therapy, speech therapy school. I think for the most part those fields offers better work conditions, more stability for the future, and quality of life. Ultimately, I think it’s best to go for MD, DO, even it involves carribian route. I think Pharmacy profession is slaved to the chains, Pharmacy schools, and will be impacted by automation. I would not want to be a graduate in the next 10 years...

 

[GypsyHummus]

No on the carribean route, but everything else I agree on. I always recommend DPM if people can’t get into DO school.

I’ve made the same argument before,
As well. I think now a days a 2-3 years of undergrad of community college or university will suffice for admission. However, knowing what I know now Id advice against it... finish your degree if you haven’t , if healthcare is a must; go to PA, NP, occupational therapy, speech therapy school. I think for the most part those fields offers better work conditions, more stability for the future, and quality of life. Ultimately, I think it’s best to go for MD, DO, even it involves carribian route. I think Pharmacy profession is slaved to the chains, Pharmacy schools, and will be impacted by automation. I would not want to be a graduate in the next 10 years...

 

[PharmtoCS]

What else are you supposed to do with a 3.0-3.2 GPA undergrad degree in Biology? Work in a lab at 15$/hour for the rest of your life?

Go back and study computer science or engineering, or go to a coding bootcamp.

 

[quickpic007]

Go back and study computer science or engineering, or go to a coding bootcamp.

what bootcamp do you reccomend

 

[WaffleScientist]

what bootcamp do you reccomend

you've asked before. He's not going to answer you because his sources are all from hearsay. The coding bootcamp that he speaks of was something he just heard about from a different thread on reddit and instantly took it as fact.

 

[Seriously Serious]

what bootcamp do you reccomend

Udacity - Free Online Classes & Nanodegrees | Udacity

 

[gwarm01]

If we keep up the good fight we may yet see the end of pharmacy school scarcity in our lifetimes.

 

[BidingMyTime]

But pharmacy (assmuming you can get a full time job) pays around 110k/year when nursing pay around 50k. Wouldn’t it make more sense to spend 2 more years in Pharmacy school to make twice as much more? Strictly speaking in the nursing BS vs PharmD degrees, I think the nurse anesthesia has it made.

Um, it would be FOUR more years for your pharmacy degree (plus a recommended 1 -2 years residency), this is a lot more than the 1.5 -2 years for a BSN. Also BSN's, can go on to get their masters and get into management (lots more money) or NP (lots and lots more money.) Or just work lots of overtime or be a traveling nurse (get lots and lots and lots more money then.)

 

[GypsyHummus]

Nurse practitioners don’t make all that much. In my area the average is around 80k gross. If I’m not mistaken, NP is 3 years after nursing school. Wouldn’t it make more sense to do one more year of pharmacy school vs NP if it means 30k more/year?

Plus, Pharmacy is a relatively clean profession compared to NP. If you wanna be coughed and bled on, then I guess NP would be a step up.

Um, it would be FOUR more years for your pharmacy degree (plus a recommended 1 -2 years residency), this is a lot more than the 1.5 -2 years for a BSN. Also BSN's, can go on to get their masters and get into management (lots more money) or NP (lots and lots more money.) Or just work lots of overtime or be a traveling nurse (get lots and lots and lots more money then.)

 

[Modest_anteater]

What else are you supposed to do with a 3.0-3.2 GPA undergrad degree in Biology? Work in a lab at 15$/hour for the rest of your life?

go to med school or PA school

 

[deleted462159]

They've been talking about this for a while. Looks like they're finally putting feelers out. Or they already chose someone, but are posting a job listing for compliance reasons. I'm willing to bet the latter.

 

[ExpressMaiL]

What else are you supposed to do with a 3.0-3.2 GPA undergrad degree in Biology? Work in a lab at 15$/hour for the rest of your life?

This is (so) sadly true, I know at least 2 people who graduated from Cal and UCI and are now working at research labs as assistants. One of them is on anti depressants, is extremely anxious and it's quite sad. There are other factors contributing to her depression but she's very lethargic from her medication, constantly worries about her job situation and low pay and feels like she has failed life. Paying down student loans from UC system while working a low paying job is nearly impossible.

My other friend is trying to support his family on a sub-30k annual salary and that is not easy.

 

[Modest_anteater]

This is (so) sadly true, I know at least 2 people who graduated from Cal and UCI and are now working at research labs as assistants. One of them is on anti depressants, is extremely anxious and it's quite sad. There are other factors contributing to her depression but she's very lethargic from her medication, constantly worries about her job situation and low pay and feels like she has failed life. Paying down student loans from UC system while working a low paying job is nearly impossible.

My other friend is trying to support his family on a sub-30k annual salary and that is not easy.

Lots of people with degrees in law, engineering, nursing working at Walmart or Uber. This is very common. They should be happy to even have a job paying 15 an hour. Many stuck at home with their parents living a NEET life. Given up on finding work, have been unemployed for years.

 

[johnpharm01]

Lots of people with degrees in law, engineering, nursing working at Walmart or Uber. This is very common. They should be happy to even have a job paying 15 an hour. Many stuck at home with their parents living a NEET light. Given up on finding work, have been unemployed for years.

I find it hard to believe nurses are out of work except by choice. Nursing market is where pharmacy was 20 years ago. University of Colorado Health System alone is short over 300 nurses. If you are out of work pharmacist, go to nursing school. In 2 years you can have a job maybe faster than a pharmacist position.

 

[deleted462159]

There goes Chapman slogan of being the only pharmacy school in OC. There is already one.

Marshall Ketchum recently launched their pharmacy school as well.

 

[quickpic007]

I find it hard to believe nurses are out of work except by choice. Nursing market is where pharmacy was 20 years ago. University of Colorado Health System alone is short over 300 nurses. If you are out of work pharmacist, go to nursing school. In 2 years you can have a job maybe faster than a pharmacist position.

Really? that is impressive, Im quite surprise even in a big city they would be that short. RN is def on my radar should I lose this career, but some times I just want to stick out pharmacy for the 1.5 mil and just retire. Ugh!

 

[johnpharm01]

Really? that is impressive, Im quite surprise even in a big city they would be that short. RN is def on my radar should I lose this career, but some times I just want to stick out pharmacy for the 1.5 mil and just retire. Ugh!

That's statewide. From what I read, its just like pharmacy. Lots of jobs, incentives i.e. bonuses, accelerating pay increases but lousy working conditions. There is not much emphasis by employers to change working conditions, but they are investing in recruitment and increased new grads. Sound familiar? In Pueblo, Colorado the local hospitals pitched in to create a program, learning lab for nurses at the community college. Then again, the nurses a few years back won a lawsuit against saint mary corwin (one of two local hospitals). I also have read on nursing forum a post by a nurse that if all nurses who had licenses were working, there would be no shortage. Also read, bedside nursing is not an area that new nurses want to be in, they want to be nurse pracs. Sounds just like retail to clinical in pharmacy to me.

 

[Actinomycin]

Really? that is impressive, Im quite surprise even in a big city they would be that short. RN is def on my radar should I lose this career, but some times I just want to stick out pharmacy for the 1.5 mil and just retire. Ugh!

Just curious based on the 1.5 mil you cited, what do others think would be the net worth when you would not worry about having a pharmacy job or being cut to part-time hours?

If one is 50, I could break up your 1.5 mil as 0.5 mil in retirement accounts (401k, roth), paid off house, and have an additional 0.75 mil in index funds/bonds. The index funds/bonds get you to 65 and the retirement accounts/401k carry you from that point on. Of course, the further away from 65 you are, the higher the numbers.

 

[grizzlesgrizzlies]

Just curious based on the 1.5 mil you cited, what do others think would be the net worth when you would not worry about having a pharmacy job or being cut to part-time hours?

If one is 50, I could break up your 1.5 mil as 0.5 mil in retirement accounts (401k, roth), paid off house, and have an additional 0.75 mil in index funds/bonds. The index funds/bonds get you to 65 and the retirement accounts/401k carry you from that point on. Of course, the further away from 65 you are, the higher the numbers.

Depends on age. I'm in my mid 30s so at this point all I need is a paid off house and a sizable emergency fund (enough to live off of for 2 years) to not worry about having a pharmacy job or being cut to part-time. I have enough in my 401k that even if I don't put in a cent ever again (and also not spending any of it) , I should have well over the 1.5 mil by the time I'm 65. As long as the house is paid off I'd totally be ok financially working part-time but I would really prefer to work full-time until I'm at least 45. If all else fails then I'm going back to school in a non-healthcare field, that's where the emergency fund comes in.

 

[BidingMyTime]

I find it hard to believe nurses are out of work except by choice. Nursing market is where pharmacy was 20 years ago. University of Colorado Health System alone is short over 300 nurses. If you are out of work pharmacist, go to nursing school. In 2 years you can have a job maybe faster than a pharmacist position.

There is no nursing shortage, and that is one of the reasons that nursing wages are so low. Now, there are a lot of particular nursing jobs and/or nursing employers, that nobody wants to do/work for, so that may contribute to the feeling that their is a shortage of nurses. Think about all the nurses you know, it's probably a lot. I know I know a lot of nurses, even after subtracting the ones I only know because I work/worked with them.