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51 Y/O With ongoing alcoholism and diagnosed Cirrhosis admitted through the ER for fall and left hip pain.
Pelvic x rays show left femoral neck fracture.
She was also dyspneic and after admission to ICU the "Pulomonology doctor" determined that she needs intubation and mechanical ventilation.
He gave her Etomidate without muscle relaxants and tried to intubate but was not successful then he gave Sux !
After Sux and multiple attempts he managed to intubate her.
He wrote on the chart that this was a difficult intubation.
She got better, and 4 days later she got extubated.
She remains coagulopathic: PT= 20, Platelet count= 60,000
She is brought to the OR for ORIF of the hip.
In holding she appears in no acute distress although disoriented X 3.
Walk me through your management of this patient.
 
unless another anesthesiologist attempted to intubate and failed - it's not a difficult airway. i have taken over for both ED and ICU attendings who could not "see anything" only to get a grade I view with a miller2.

but, for the boards.
issues
1. difficult airway
2. drug dose adjustments - increased VOD, increased CO, decreased AAG/albumin, decreased hepatic clearance
3. coagulopathy - potential for increased intraop bleeding and contraI for spinal
4. confusion - patient potentially not compliant with AFOI
5. full stomach?- does she have significant ascites?

plan:
must do GA. if you go with full stomach she must have awake FOI without lower airway blocks or RSI.
history of difficult intubation warrants an awake FOI - ok if patient is confused, but compliant. i would decrease total dose of amide LA, avoid benzos.

if patient is NOT compliant - a touch of propofol for her to tolerate mask and induce with sevo. maintain spontaneous respiration. look with advanced airway device. may avoid miller blades if patient has varices and you like to sink the tip in the goose first.

optimally, if i was not worried about full stomach, i would induce with prop/sevo and place LMA.

postinduction a line. 2 units available. adequate access to give them.
 
I agree with Jeff.
Regional is out of the picture so you have to tackle the airway upfront.
What was her airway exam like? If good it's off to sleep, edpending on surgeon you might need products: blood, ffp.
 
regional is out of the question, given the patient's coagulation status....

attempts at intubation in icu were suboptimal: etomidate doesn't give good muscle relaxation, muscle relaxants were not administered, and it was a pulmonologist attempting intubation (definitely suboptimal)....

after my examination of patient airway, would then make my decision between asleep direct laryngoscopy attempt (with videoglidescope?) and awake fiberoptic...if i have any doubts about airway, will just go directly to awake fiberoptic after proper topicalization of airway

pt will most definitely bleed and bleed a lot...will have typed & crossed blood products available...will have large bore i.v. access and place a-line if any hemodynamic instability is encountered....

will also inform patient that they are at an increased risk of post-operative respiratory, given recent respiratory failure and underlying likely underlying respiratory status....

will decide what to do with surgeon after case, depending on how much blood is lost and length of surgery
 
unless another anesthesiologist attempted to intubate and failed - it's not a difficult airway. i have taken over for both ED and ICU attendings who could not "see anything" only to get a grade I view with a miller2.

but, for the boards.
issues
1. difficult airway
2. drug dose adjustments - increased VOD, increased CO, decreased AAG/albumin, decreased hepatic clearance
3. coagulopathy - potential for increased intraop bleeding and contraI for spinal
4. confusion - patient potentially not compliant with AFOI
5. full stomach?- does she have significant ascites?

plan:
must do GA. if you go with full stomach she must have awake FOI without lower airway blocks or RSI.
history of difficult intubation warrants an awake FOI - ok if patient is confused, but compliant. i would decrease total dose of amide LA, avoid benzos.

if patient is NOT compliant - a touch of propofol for her to tolerate mask and induce with sevo. maintain spontaneous respiration. look with advanced airway device. may avoid miller blades if patient has varices and you like to sink the tip in the goose first.

optimally, if i was not worried about full stomach, i would induce with prop/sevo and place LMA.

postinduction a line. 2 units available. adequate access to give them.

I like reading your posts. Always very well put together. 👍
 
Great so far.
Do we need any invasive monitoring?
How about Central venous access?
Is Albumin a good idea? why or why not?
Assuming that the start pressure is 90/50 and HR= 110, how would you induce?
What is your plan for airway management?
 
Do we need any invasive monitoring? Again depends on the surgeon it's not worth it if the procedure takes less than 30min. If i were to choose i'd go with an a-line.

How about Central venous access? No

Is Albumin a good idea? why or why not? This is one of the few scenarios where you can justify the use of albumin but if you think she's hypovolemic she probably needs blood and ffp not albumin.

Assuming that the start pressure is 90/50 and HR= 110, how would you induce? Touch of propofol, ketamine, sux

What is your plan for airway management? Strait DL if airway looks reasonable have a bougie and intubating LMA ready.
 
Agree with the above. Do we have any of her cardiac history? If she has a good cardiac history then I don't believe we need any invasive monitoring. I would also like to avoid sticking her with needles if at all possible given her low platlets and increased ptt. I don't think I'd give albumin here, I'd wait for the ICU docs to take care of that later. I would however give her 2 units of FFP.

Induction - Does she look like she's going to be tough to ventilate? If not I'd induce with Etomidate, Fentanyl, and Roc.

Airway Mgt - 1st plan D/L, 2nd bougie, 3rd Glidescope

Run on VA of your choice, F/U labs PRN during case
 
Did they attempt to correct her coagulopathy while she was parked in the ICU for 4 days? If not, send her back and tell them to correct it b/4 surgery. The blood loss will likely lead to more complications (resp failure) if this isn't corrected. If they have tried everything, which I doubt, then go ahead and do the case under GA. I wouldn't get too excited about her airway unless I saw something on my exam that worried me.

My induction technique if i were to do this case would be 100-200 mcg Neo then a decreased dose of propofol maybe 50-100mg depending on size of the pt. Remember, she won't need that much if she is cirrhotic. Then sux as soon as she starts to fade from the propofol.

I'd then place a RIJ central line and measure CVP along with an a-line. No albumin, I'd give products as needed. WE already know she needs coagulation products. FFP seems like a good thing to start with.
 
I am still a med student, and have nothing of value to add to this thread, but just wanted to say threads like this really make my desire to go into anesthesiology stronger! Thanks for the educational boosts folks!👍👍
 
Out of curiosity would a fascia iliaca block be absolutley contraindicated in this case? The femoral artery is not close and you could use ultrasound to avoid any other large vessels.
 
Out of curiosity would a fascia iliaca block be absolutley contraindicated in this case? The femoral artery is not close and you could use ultrasound to avoid any other large vessels.[/QUOTEI

I would ask could I do this case with this block. No, so risk vs. benefit says I would not do the block.
 
I am still a med student, and have nothing of value to add to this thread, but just wanted to say threads like this really make my desire to go into anesthesiology stronger! Thanks for the educational boosts folks!👍👍

Agreed. It's been a while. Thanks Plank! 👍
 
Out of curiosity would a fascia iliaca block be absolutley contraindicated in this case? The femoral artery is not close and you could use ultrasound to avoid any other large vessels.[/QUOTEI

I would ask could I do this case with this block. No, so risk vs. benefit says I would not do the block.

I actually did a fascia iliaca block on this patient to minimize the need for narcotics.
Giving too much narcotics or sedatives to a patient in liver failure and hepatic encephalopathy is a risk that is worth doing the block in my opinion.
 
the block would be good, however it would not get around the issue that this patient would need to stay still on the ortho rig for a while. she's already confused and even a little bit of sedation could make her agitated or knock her out. now you have a potentially difficult airway oversedated on an ortho highrise.
 
You still have to secure the airway, as pointed out though it the block will be useful intra, and postop.
 
In patient with liver failure, even before you think about what paralytic agent or fancy block or reversal of coagulopathy you'll use, you must be aware of the cardiopulmonary implications associated with this disease.

I think we have overlooked the fact that patients with LF can typically have diferent degrees of intrapulmonary shunting and pulmonary hypertension. By the very nature of the disease, they will also have a hyperdynamic cardiac status and increase vasodilatory state as a result of upregulation of nitric oxide synthase. This should be looked up in the context of any other potentially complicating issues such as CAD or such.

It would have been good to know that meds she was on as her confusion could be explained by hepatic encephalopathy. Was she on aldactone? What was her renal function? Her coagulopathy requires no explanation and her thrombocytopenia, although transiently correctable with transfusion, will not improve since her levels of thrombopoietin will be expectedly low.

Having done a fair number of liver transplants I can tell you these issues ought to be examined, if at all possible, as they can become a nightmare scenario for you. This may not be possible in an emergency situation but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind. Check out her MELD scores to have an idea of what you're dealing with.

Just wanted to point that out.

I've always said that giving anesthesia is what the nurses do. Understanding how the pathophysiology of a disease will guide the anesthetic plan is what anesthesiologists do.
 
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the block would be good, however it would not get around the issue that this patient would need to stay still on the ortho rig for a while. she's already confused and even a little bit of sedation could make her agitated or knock her out. now you have a potentially difficult airway oversedated on an ortho highrise.

True,
The block was used here in addition to GA.
You can't do a hip replacement under a fascia iliaca block alone anyway.
 
So after all that fuss by the respiratory guy - was the airway actually in any way difficult?

And was he aware of the potential problems to be generated by multiple intubation attempts in a coagulopathic, thrombocytopaenic patient?
 
In patient with liver failure, even before you think about what paralytic agent or fancy block or reversal of coagulopathy you'll use, you must be aware of the cardiopulmonary implications associated with this disease.

I think we have overlooked the fact that patients with LF can typically have diferent degrees of intrapulmonary shunting and pulmonary hypertension. By the very nature of the disease, they will also have a hyperdynamic cardiac status and increase vasodilatory state as a result of upregulation of nitric oxide synthase. This should be looked up in the context of any other potentially complicating issues such as CAD or such.

It would have been good to know that meds she was on as her confusion could be explained by hepatic encephalopathy. Was she on aldactone? What was her renal function? Her coagulopathy requires no explanation and her thrombocytopenia, although transiently correctable with transfusion, will not improve since her levels of thrombopoietin will be expectedly low.

Having done a fair number of liver transplants I can tell you these issues ought to be examined, if at all possible, as they can become a nightmare scenario for you. This may not be possible in an emergency situation but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind. Check out her MELD scores to have an idea of what you're dealing with.

Just wanted to point that out.

I've always said that giving anesthesia is what the nurses do. Understanding how the pathophysiology of a disease will guide the anesthetic plan is what anesthesiologists do.

Great post, PRD. You sound like you're ready to take the oral boards or something!
 
Good points Pro.
In a perfect world every patient would come with a complete history, diagnostic studies and consults, but in the real world you frequently have to use your clinical judgment to compensate for the missing data.
This patient certainly did not have all the data you need but you could still make certain assumptions:
1- She probably did not have a severe hepato-pulmonary syndrome because she did not have severe hypoxia and because she already had a TIPS done which usually improves the hepato-pulmonary syndrome (although the mechanism remains unknown).
2- Cardio-vascular status: We don't have coronary studies but she denies chest pain and although she is sedentary she can still perform her basic functions.
She can still have coronary artery disease but she does not have unstable angina or ongoing ischemia (negative troponin and negative EKG).
She has a broken hip that needs to be fixed regardless of her CAD.
She is hypotensive for the reasons you mentioned and she has many other hormonal and metabolic issues but that does not change the fact that there isn't much you can do to her to fix these issues.
The best thing you can do is fix her hip.
3- Sure she has hepatic encephalopathy but she still needs her hip fixed.
4- Her coagulation can be transitionally fixed for a few hours as you mentioned and that's all we can do to get her to have this surgery without major bleeding.
Patients with end stage liver disease are very challenging and need a vigilant Anesthesiologist to survive surgery and this is where I agree with you, you (as a consultant anesthesiologist) are the most qualified person to take care of this type of patient and give her the best possible care.


In patient with liver failure, even before you think about what paralytic agent or fancy block or reversal of coagulopathy you'll use, you must be aware of the cardiopulmonary implications associated with this disease.

I think we have overlooked the fact that patients with LF can typically have diferent degrees of intrapulmonary shunting and pulmonary hypertension. By the very nature of the disease, they will also have a hyperdynamic cardiac status and increase vasodilatory state as a result of upregulation of nitric oxide synthase. This should be looked up in the context of any other potentially complicating issues such as CAD or such.

It would have been good to know that meds she was on as her confusion could be explained by hepatic encephalopathy. Was she on aldactone? What was her renal function? Her coagulopathy requires no explanation and her thrombocytopenia, although transiently correctable with transfusion, will not improve since her levels of thrombopoietin will be expectedly low.

Having done a fair number of liver transplants I can tell you these issues ought to be examined, if at all possible, as they can become a nightmare scenario for you. This may not be possible in an emergency situation but it's worth keeping in the back of your mind. Check out her MELD scores to have an idea of what you're dealing with.

Just wanted to point that out.

I've always said that giving anesthesia is what the nurses do. Understanding how the pathophysiology of a disease will guide the anesthetic plan is what anesthesiologists do.
 
So after all that fuss by the respiratory guy - was the airway actually in any way difficult?

And was he aware of the potential problems to be generated by multiple intubation attempts in a coagulopathic, thrombocytopaenic patient?

The intubation was EASY!
My CRNA got her tubed in 2 seconds.
As for "the multiple attempts on a coagulopathic patient" the answer is: No, he was not aware because they don't think the way we do and for some reason they always get away with it.
 
they don't think the way we do and for some reason they always get away with it.

This never ceases to amaze me... do you think they just chart deaths related to failed intubation (or extubation for that matter) as ARDS or septic shock?
 
This never ceases to amaze me... do you think they just chart deaths related to failed intubation (or extubation for that matter) as ARDS or septic shock?

Yes. That is exactly what they do. I've seen it.

I'm even embarrassed to admit I've seen anesthesiologists go down that road. Once upon a time I saw a non-emergent intubation go horribly wrong because the attending anesthesiologist who pushed the drugs spent so much time screwing around showing his resident how to use a light wand that the guy desaturated, developed myocardial ischemia, and PEA arrested. They didn't even notice, even though I told them more than once that we needed to start chest compressions; they actually argued that the flat a-line must be an artifact; they still didn't even believe the patient was pulseless until chest compressions proved the a-line was functional after all. Eventually they just DL'd the guy and got the tube in, with some ventilation he got a pulse back.

They were totally oblivious to the fact that the patient almost died because they were absolutely inept. Their discussion revolved around wow, that guy was sick, I can't believe he arrested, but we got him back. Good on us!

I have no doubt that if he had died, it would have been attributed to anything other than "induced patient, failed to ventilate patient, killed patient" ...


I'd bet cold hard cash that most airway misadventures resulting in death get charted as something other than an airway misadventure.
 
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