ANY chance for need-based grants w/ EFC over $5k? what about for next year?

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yikes, my EFC came out to be almost $9500! My adjusted income last year was $34,000 but my current savings are less than $800. My school choice will be heavily dependent on my financial aid awards and I am hoping I can find out more about my financial aid outlook before the letters come out towards the end of April/early May.

Should I hold out hope for any substantial ($5,000+) need-based scholarships/grants from schools themselves (not federal grants) or should I anticipate essentially loans-only financial aid packages this year? (I realize this varies by school, so I am only looking for general answers but in case it helps, I am looking at Rochester, UW, GWU, Georgetown, BU and UVM)

Next year my EFC should be 0 and my parents will be making less money than this year. If I received little or no need-based aid from schools this year could I really hold out hope that I would receive them next year from schools that do tend to offer substantial need-based grants to their students? Or do schools use grants as more of an incentive to draw students in the first year?

Would writing a letter to schools that only consider the FAFSA and not Needaccess explaining several factors that are not apparent on my FAFSA such as the fact that 15% of my income last year went to undergraduate loan payments and that my mother is retiring this year to help care for my grandmother be of any help or would it seem like I was panhandling when I am obviously not in the most needy category of applicants?

A bit more background info: Parents info = combined income of around $110,000 , Parents total savings = $4,000
Parents only assets - a Subaru that they are still paying off , Parents debts – still paying off their mortgage

ANY help is very appreciated! I know that I will not really know anything for sure until financial aid letters come out but I am just hoping to gain a more realistic idea of what I should expect these letters to contain. I tend to be overly optimistic....

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Thanks for your frank honesty, I really appreciate it.

I would just like to add that my income came from working a $16/hr office job, waiting tables at a mexican restaurant and a $14/hr tourist gig in the summer. Unable to pay my medical insurance and $500/mo student loan payments on my full-time job alone, I often worked 65-70 hrs/wk to make ends meet and afford the med school application process. I am obviously not struggling nor needy compared to many other applicants but I also do not have a cushy well-paying job. I just hope my earlier post didnt make me sound like a privileged kid trying to work the system! Sincere apologies if anyone interpreted it that way and thanks in advance for any further feedback or advice!
 
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It sounds like you will not be getting anything. EFC of 9.5k is max. And by your numbers I can tell that you're family and you make way way too much money. Most grants that are considered need based, base it off your EFC anyway. I doubt you will get any money at all.

I can assure you from personal experience that the maximum EFC is larger than $9,500. Mine is $99,999. I can't tell if that is a hard maximum, or a result of the maximum values you can enter into some of the other fields like income and assets.
 
Unfortunately, student loan debt does not get factored into FAFSA's need-based analysis. The rational is that you don't need to pay it off while you're in school. If only it did count...
 
While you may not be eligible for Pell grants, some schools have their own need based aid which you may be eligible for. I have heard that BU doesn't give good aid but don't know about the others. You may have to just wait and see. Also, you could start applying for outside scholarships which aren't based on need. They may not amount to a lot but every bit helps!
 
ah sorry! I edited my original post to clarify that I am asking about the possibility of receiving some need-based scholarship/grant from schools that tend to give generous aid packages (such as Rochester, from what I hear, though please correct me if I am wrong).

I definitely would never expect to qualify for any federal grants! I just don't have 10k lying around... I am sure that there are many other non-trads in the same boat
 
ah sorry! I edited my original post to clarify that I am asking about the possibility of receiving some need-based scholarship/grant from schools that tend to give generous aid packages (such as Rochester, from what I hear, though please correct me if I am wrong).

I definitely would never expect to qualify for any federal grants! I just don't have 10k lying around... I am sure that there are many other non-trads in the same boat

you aren't going to need to have 10k lying around. med school finaid works differently from undergrad. you shouldn't have any trouble getting loans to cover the entire cost of attendance if you want them.
 
You can probably save a lot of the difference in any loans or grants by attending Rochester or Vermont over a school like BU or Gtown just because cost of living would be significantly less.
 
I don't understand EFC. I was making in the 20K's one year, parents don't make much of anything, and my EFC was almost $7,000!
 
I don't understand this EFC business. $8700! My current asset is negative and my dad is the only one who works. He lost his job for 4 years ago...parents have been living off what's left of their savings and no vacation homes, boats, fancy schmancy cars or anything of that sort.

Guess you must be absolutely dirt poor to get EFC OF $5000
 
Wait, are we talking undergrad or med school here? I thought you were counted as an independent for med school fin aid, so why would your parents' income matter in the amount of loans you could receive? Or are we talkinga bout something else here, or am I misinformed?
 
Wait, are we talking undergrad or med school here? I thought you were counted as an independent for med school fin aid, so why would your parents' income matter in the amount of loans you could receive? Or are we talkinga bout something else here, or am I misinformed?

Med school. Yes, you file as an independent, but parent's info are still needed/required(??) for need-based aid.

Summarized from another forum:
The reason why parent's income matters is something along the lines of med schools not wanting to lose good rep and future donations if they were discovered to have given $30,000/year to a billionaire's child. Even if parents say they refuse to support the child's med school expenses, if anything were to happen, richer parents are still more able to help out.

edit: see this http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=890481
 
Med school. Yes, you file as an independent, but parent's info are still needed/required(??) for need-based aid.

Summarized from another forum:
The reason why parent's income matters is something along the lines of med schools not wanting to lose good rep and future donations if they were discovered to have given $30,000/year to a billionaire's child. Even if parents say they refuse to support the child's med school expenses, if anything were to happen, richer parents are still more able to help out.

edit: see this http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=890481
Oh OK. I was just worried that putting down my parents' info would screw me over on Fed loans. I didn't expect to get any need-based aid. We can still take out the max in stafford loans, though, right? It's just that we won't be getting any grants from the school itself? BTW, let's say I start med school in Fall of 2013, but my parents claim me as a dependent on there taxes this year. Would that screw me over, or can I still claim as an independent on my FAFSA? Sorry for all the questions.
 
Oh OK. I was just worried that putting down my parents' info would screw me over on Fed loans. I didn't expect to get any need-based aid. We can still take out the max in stafford loans, though, right? It's just that we won't be getting any grants from the school itself? BTW, let's say I start med school in Fall of 2013, but my parents claim me as a dependent on there taxes this year. Would that screw me over, or can I still claim as an independent on my FAFSA? Sorry for all the questions.

perhaps someone else will be better at helping you answer this. I have no idea. I don't think you can file your taxes as an independent if your parents claim you. I think FAFSA will consider you as an independent even if they claim you.

Hope this helps a bit: http://main.uab.edu/Sites/students/32674/
 
I don't understand this EFC business. $8700! My current asset is negative and my dad is the only one who works. He lost his job for 4 years ago...parents have been living off what's left of their savings and no vacation homes, boats, fancy schmancy cars or anything of that sort.

Guess you must be absolutely dirt poor to get EFC OF $5000

Woah that EFC seems hella high giving the information you provided. I'm sitting at $0 when I made ~$4000 last year and my one parent who works made ~$20,000. You seem much worse off than I do. Just goes to show how goofy the EFC formula really is.
 
Woah that EFC seems hella high giving the information you provided. I'm sitting at $0 when I made ~$4000 last year and my one parent who works made ~$20,000. You seem much worse off than I do. Just goes to show how goofy the EFC formula really is.

Well, I guess I should clarify. I worked full time last year, but when you consider moving expenses, traveling back to see family, paying for rent (!!!!), food, and applications and repaying student loans... I really don't have any savings. Not to mention I still owe $12,000 UG loans (which I've heard they don't take into account).

Where do they think I'm going to get remotely close to $8700? hello additional unsubsidized loans. I feel like we'll be best buddies soon and that's okay (I guess).
 
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