Any ENFP or INFP med students?

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Did any of you test as ENFPs or INFPs when you took the MBTI?

If you did, I'd love to hear your thoughts concerning what you like and don't like about med school, and the profession? From what I've seen whilst shadowing, it looks like there's a fair amount of mental and social stimulation involved. However, I realize there's a lot of rote memorization, and routine, repetitive procedures that make up the bulk of what med students and doctors do on a daily basis.

Can you please share how you deal with this, and whether the pros are outweighing the cons for you?

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Isn't Meyers-Briggs mostly BS?

It's definitely not all telling but it has it's uses and it is quite interesting to look into. If you think it's B.S. look into why and give your opinion as to why. -INFP, but pre-med so this probably won't help much. I look forward to medical school but remember to keep myself hard-working and humble as I am an bit of an idealist. I feel like problems I may have are pretty much what everyone has. Difficulty with the details...though I hope focusing on the big picture can make make all the details stick better. 🙂
 
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No, there are no ENFPs or INFPs in medical school. Unknown to most, the MCAT also screens for Myers-Briggs personalities. Most of the "softer" types are rejected before their AMCAS is ever seen by schools.

Also, the NSA forwards along data from sites like SDN to screen out students who even take bull$hit like Myers-Briggs personality types seriously.
 
No, there are no ENFPs or INFPs in medical school. Unknown to most, the MCAT also screens for Myers-Briggs personalities. Most of the "softer" types are rejected before their AMCAS is ever seen by schools.

Also, the NSA forwards along data from sites like SDN to screen out students who even take bull$hit like Myers-Briggs personality types seriously.

"I took this one test that told me that I act a certain way so I guess I'm just gonna act that way from now on!!"
 
i see a lot of sarcasm... and while this test doesn't tell you much you don't know, I've found it to be an awesome predictor of people i like being around.
 
I'll provide some of the only helpful advice you'll get on a thread like this. I'm an ENFP first-time applicant who interviewed at about a dozen medical schools and has been accepted to multiple schools this year. Since you're premed and I'm not in medical school yet, my advice is limited to "getting in." ENFPs probably have similar challenges and advantages throughout medical school, residency and their careers.

I don't know why people are trying to discredit MBTI since it's been used for almost a century. Though I guess that they're probably not ENFPs.

You're right that ENFPs generally are not naturally detail-oriented. They are more inclined to be "big-picture" people. This can pose a challenge in a lot of premed classes, such as organic chemistry, biochemistry and calculus, so As in those classes can be harder than for other students.

ENFPs love the chance to inspire people, imagine the "what if," and love being popular. All of these have pros and cons. They tend to have great leadership potential, which lends itself to management-type positions, if they show they can pay their dues and work their way up the ladder, which also takes an attention to detail, without kissing too much butt. Hopefully, your extracurriculars will demonstrate your leadership capacity.

One of the best things you can do for yourself, which applies for everyone, but especially ENFPs, is to remain grounded and never be arrogant or condescending. Also, try not to be late! 😛 (That's part of being detail-oriented!)

*Bonus*: Also, learn when to shut your mouth and listen. I need to work on that one constantly. So do most people.

My experience has been that once you buckle down and get the grades you need to get accepted, at your medical school interviews is where your ENFP personality can REALLY help. Generally, society rewards extroversion (read the book "Quiet"), so you will have an advantage over your introverted fellow interviewees. You're naturally comfortable with talking about yourself and engaging in easy conversation, as well as conveying passion and a sense of purpose. These can be qualities of a good interviewer. The medical school application process is essentially a LONG advertisement for oneself. ENFPs are typically adept at advertising themselves.

But just remember you have to have the grades and the score to be in that position!

Best wishes!
 
About as useful as astrology for telling you anything about yourself or who you're "compatible" with.
 
All you haters can shut it. :laugh: MBTI is a tool - nothing more, nothing less. It's useful for recognizing patterns in people, and if you're a pattern-seeking intuitive, it's fun to think about. Of course, no one should take it too seriously, but it can help you to learn more about yourself and others, especially in terms of modes of communication.

I'm glad I've researched MBTI as a hobby because I can more easily understand why everyone else doesn't want to think outside the box constantly (guilty!), or why some people enjoy sharing explicit details about the food they ate, the new furniture items they just purchased, what the neighbors did or said, etc. If you can see where other people are coming from, and how their life experiences and way of utilizing information has shaped them, it makes it much easier to connect with others. It makes you a more tolerant individual. Not quite as good as walking in someone else's shoes, but you can come close using your imagination. Tolerance is a beautiful thing, since we are all human beings just trying to make it on this little blue planet, puttin' our pantalones on one leg at a time.

I'll provide some of the only helpful advice you'll get on a thread like this. I'm an ENFP first-time applicant who interviewed at about a dozen medical schools and has been accepted to multiple schools this year. Since you're premed and I'm not in medical school yet, my advice is limited to "getting in." ENFPs probably have similar challenges and advantages throughout medical school, residency and their careers.

I don't know why people are trying to discredit MBTI since it's been used for almost a century. Though I guess that they're probably not ENFPs.

You're right that ENFPs generally are not naturally detail-oriented. They are more inclined to be "big-picture" people. This can pose a challenge in a lot of premed classes, such as organic chemistry, biochemistry and calculus, so As in those classes can be harder than for other students.

ENFPs love the chance to inspire people, imagine the "what if," and love being popular. All of these have pros and cons. They tend to have great leadership potential, which lends itself to management-type positions, if they show they can pay their dues and work their way up the ladder, which also takes an attention to detail, without kissing too much butt. Hopefully, your extracurriculars will demonstrate your leadership capacity.

One of the best things you can do for yourself, which applies for everyone, but especially ENFPs, is to remain grounded and never be arrogant or condescending. Also, try not to be late! 😛 (That's part of being detail-oriented!)

*Bonus*: Also, learn when to shut your mouth and listen. I need to work on that one constantly. So do most people.

My experience has been that once you buckle down and get the grades you need to get accepted, at your medical school interviews is where your ENFP personality can REALLY help. Generally, society rewards extroversion (read the book "Quiet"), so you will have an advantage over your introverted fellow interviewees. You're naturally comfortable with talking about yourself and engaging in easy conversation, as well as conveying passion and a sense of purpose. These can be qualities of a good interviewer. The medical school application process is essentially a LONG advertisement for oneself. ENFPs are typically adept at advertising themselves.

But just remember you have to have the grades and the score to be in that position!

Best wishes!

Thank you, churrytree! I appreciate the info, and will keep your advice in mind as I finish my application for this cycle. I'm feeling okay about the application process, but I'm slightly worried about what I'm getting myself into, and whether there's enough room for creativity in the medical field. What are your thoughts about that?

Shadowing has been awesome, btw. That seems like a good sign.

Any current med students care to weigh in?
 
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i see a lot of sarcasm... and while this test doesn't tell you much you don't know, I've found it to be an awesome predictor of people i like being around.

IA with you. It's been a good predictor of friendship compatability.
 
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so you're evil too. hi 🙂

+1 but I haven't officially matriculated. I know for a fact that I am an introvert. I think I would need to take the official Meyers Briggs to figure out the other 3 letters. Like the other SDNer mentioned, extroverts can definitely sell themselves better in person. I had difficulties doing that because that's not my personality and I chalk that up to being an introvert. Introversion doesn't equal shyness, but I am not ostentatious or bombastic. That's the reason why I didn't go into business (I suck at it!).
 
i see a lot of sarcasm... and while this test doesn't tell you much you don't know, I've found it to be an awesome predictor of people i like being around.

You must be great at parties, "Hey, take this test before we talk!"
 
+1 but I haven't officially matriculated. I know for a fact that I am an introvert. I think I would need to take the official Meyers Briggs to figure out the other 3 letters. Like the other SDNer mentioned, extroverts can definitely sell themselves better in person. I had difficulties doing that because that's not my personality and I chalk that up to being an introvert. Introversion doesn't equal shyness, but I am not ostentatious or bombastic. That's the reason why I didn't go into business (I suck at it!).

Introvert on this test doesn't necessarily mean what it conventionally means...and they give you percentages, as well. some people really are both and quite centered. What I got from the test is that introverts feel "put upon" and exhausted when they have to interact in social situations over which they feel they have little control. While extroverts love and thrive on these social interactions.

You must be great at parties, "Hey, take this test before we talk!"

yikes. Have we met?
 
Introvert on this test doesn't necessarily mean what it conventionally means...and they give you percentages, as well. some people really are both and quite centered. What I got from the test is that introverts feel "put upon" and exhausted when they have to interact in social situations over which they feel they have little control.

Does that assessment fit you well, intj? 🙂
 
These batteries of questions are pretty interesting. Maybe as self-insight alone, but still fun to explore. I tried randomly selecting them and seeing if their positively self-affirming, ego-boosting language could entice me to identify. But it didn't work. I didn't identify my own observations of my habits with any if the other types other than the one I consistently got on the test results from several of them--INFJ.

So these tests really seem to be addressing themselves to some identifiable behavior pattern. I wonder if the self-identifying function is an asset or a liability for any usable reality of these tests.

Self-insight is the only use I can see for them. I wonder if recognizing jungian archetypes is useful for interpreting behavior in general....idk...?
 
Does that assessment fit you well, intj? 🙂
unfortunately. I've always wished socializing felt natural. i tend to covet the company of other intj or intp types, with a few exceptions of course.

These batteries of questions are pretty interesting. Maybe as self-insight alone, but still fun to explore. I tried randomly selecting them and seeing if their positively self-affirming, ego-boosting language could entice me to identify. But it didn't work. I didn't identify my own observations of my habits with any if the other types other than the one I consistently got on the test results from several of them--INFJ.

So these tests really seem to be addressing themselves to some identifiable behavior pattern. I wonder if the self-identifying function is an asset or a liability for any usable reality of these tests.

Self-insight is the only use I can see for them. I wonder if recognizing jungian archetypes is useful for interpreting behavior in general....idk...?

yeah, it's not astrology. there are companies known to use the test to gauge employees.
 
Introvert on this test doesn't necessarily mean what it conventionally means...and they give you percentages, as well. some people really are both and quite centered. What I got from the test is that introverts feel "put upon" and exhausted when they have to interact in social situations over which they feel they have little control. While extroverts love and thrive on these social interactions.

I agree. I usually fluctuate between INTJ and INTP when I do take these basic tests. I use to be a real introvert but I have come out of my shell over these last few years. When I took that test my score was slightly above 50% percent but not significantly so (I'm 27 y.o. btw).
 
I agree. I usually fluctuate between INTJ and INTP when I do take these basic tests. I use to be a real introvert but I have come out of my shell over these last few years. When I took that test my score was slightly above 50% percent but not significantly so (I'm 27 y.o. btw).

congratulations on your acceptance.
 
unfortunately. I've always wished socializing felt natural. i tend to covet the company of other intj or intp types, with a few exceptions of course.

Unfortunately? You must not have read Quiet by Susan Cain. Or seen the Tedtalk.
 
I just completed my first year in med school. My school is really fabulous about fostering community, and we have a small class size. This is good for my "I" and "F" preferences. If I were in a more competitive environment, I think it would be more difficult. A large class size might also make school less enjoyable, so even those non-academic variables make a difference in "what medical school is like."

You may wonder why I am separating competitiveness out from academics. I am using the word as characteristic of a trait of the class. As far as the basic sciences are concerned, most allopathic schools in the US teach the same material. I looked at the pass rate for Step 1, and for those in the US, the pass rate was around 97-98%. This doesn't mean that percentage got the score they wanted, but they passed, so most students get the information they need at any allopathic school to pass the boards. So, consider what kind of environment you want to be in to get the information you need to practice medicine. For me, that was as important as the school's reputation for teaching/training.

The first year was tough for me because of the amount of detail to learn. Most graduate program curricula will be like drinking from a fire hose, but this is objective information that has to be memorized. It is easy to lose the forest for all of those d@&* trees. 😉

I also have a wide variety of outside interests, which I felt had to be moved to the back burner, and I didn't like to put them there. Still, you have to find time to do the things that energize you, but realize they will get short shrift.

As I look to the second year, I am trying to keep the image of the third years before me. Last year, they looked like hell. Now they have been transformed back into happy human beings (or it's pure delirium after exhausting themselves!), giddy with excitement about beginning the clinical years. Don't know how long their jubilation will last, but it is something to keep me pressing through the next 10 months or so.

I am also keeping a Winston Churchill quote within site: "If you're going through hell, keep going..."

No need to turn around now! All the best as you find your path.

Oh, and the Careers in Medicine website will give some suggestions for what type of specialty you may prefer based on your MBTI results. I have known plenty of people who dislike any type of personality test, but it has always been of interest to me, and I can usually guess a person's type after spending a little bit of time with them. Good luck!
 
I'm INTJ. These mean pretty much absolutely nothing in terms of your career. Don't make decisions with these in mind. I just did it because I thought it would be cool and interesting. I think the "personality" of an INTJ fits me pretty decently well, maybe not in every way, but it seemed legit. But that doesn't mean I have to go into radiology or pathology or something lol. I'm on IM right now, and getting along with the residents and patients like me.

The whole introverted thing means little in medicine I think. Usually you're not interacting with 40 people in a party. You have a team you get to know well, and interact with others in small instances. And when you're with the patient, you're with the patient. You're not around a bunch of people you can be personable.

And plus, I don't think these personalities necessarily fit in every single situation, you know what I mean? They're pretty inaccurate in that sense. I won't be I, N, T, J in every single instance. But it's just interesting and fun. That's about it's only use lol
 
I just completed my first year in med school. My school is really fabulous about fostering community, and we have a small class size. This is good for my "I" and "F" preferences. If I were in a more competitive environment, I think it would be more difficult. A large class size might also make school less enjoyable, so even those non-academic variables make a difference in "what medical school is like."

You may wonder why I am separating competitiveness out from academics. I am using the word as characteristic of a trait of the class. As far as the basic sciences are concerned, most allopathic schools in the US teach the same material. I looked at the pass rate for Step 1, and for those in the US, the pass rate was around 97-98%. This doesn't mean that percentage got the score they wanted, but they passed, so most students get the information they need at any allopathic school to pass the boards. So, consider what kind of environment you want to be in to get the information you need to practice medicine. For me, that was as important as the school's reputation for teaching/training.

The first year was tough for me because of the amount of detail to learn. Most graduate program curricula will be like drinking from a fire hose, but this is objective information that has to be memorized. It is easy to lose the forest for all of those d@&* trees. 😉

I also have a wide variety of outside interests, which I felt had to be moved to the back burner, and I didn't like to put them there. Still, you have to find time to do the things that energize you, but realize they will get short shrift.

As I look to the second year, I am trying to keep the image of the third years before me. Last year, they looked like hell. Now they have been transformed back into happy human beings (or it's pure delirium after exhausting themselves!), giddy with excitement about beginning the clinical years. Don't know how long their jubilation will last, but it is something to keep me pressing through the next 10 months or so.

I am also keeping a Winston Churchill quote within site: "If you're going through hell, keep going..."

No need to turn around now! All the best as you find your path.

Oh, and the Careers in Medicine website will give some suggestions for what type of specialty you may prefer based on your MBTI results. I have known plenty of people who dislike any type of personality test, but it has always been of interest to me, and I can usually guess a person's type after spending a little bit of time with them. Good luck!

Hello, kindred spirit! Thank you for sharing your experience. 🙂 Can I ask what school you attend? You can pm me that info if you'd like. Am making decisions about which schools to apply to. Congrats on your success getting through your first year!

You don't like super competitive environments? Me either. I'm so glad you mentioned that aspect of the school you're attending. Is there a good way to assess this about a school? Would visiting the campus and reading forum posts by current students be enough to decipher what the environment would be like?

Are you able to balance your social life well with your work? Is that a challenge for you, or did you adjust pretty well right away?
 
I'm INTJ. These mean pretty much absolutely nothing in terms of your career. Don't make decisions with these in mind. I just did it because I thought it would be cool and interesting. I think the "personality" of an INTJ fits me pretty decently well, maybe not in every way, but it seemed legit. But that doesn't mean I have to go into radiology or pathology or something lol. I'm on IM right now, and getting along with the residents and patients like me.

The whole introverted thing means little in medicine I think. Usually you're not interacting with 40 people in a party. You have a team you get to know well, and interact with others in small instances. And when you're with the patient, you're with the patient. You're not around a bunch of people you can be personable.

And plus, I don't think these personalities necessarily fit in every single situation, you know what I mean? They're pretty inaccurate in that sense. I won't be I, N, T, J in every single instance. But it's just interesting and fun. That's about it's only use lol

fairly true. I'd never pick a specialty based on a personality test. but the test did alert me to a couple tendencies i have that i work on changing. and have noticed i like/feel more in sync with those who have a similar type on the test.
 
Did any of you test as ENFPs or INFPs when you took the MBTI?

If you did, I'd love to hear your thoughts concerning what you like and don't like about med school, and the profession? From what I've seen whilst shadowing, it looks like there's a fair amount of mental and social stimulation involved. However, I realize there's a lot of rote memorization, and routine, repetitive procedures that make up the bulk of what med students and doctors do on a daily basis.

Can you please share how you deal with this, and whether the pros are outweighing the cons for you?

I am strongly ENFP, crazy about life and love, and a true free spirit. I graduated from Medical School with first class honours and just got accepted to the most competitive Paediatric Training Program in the country, after trying Internal Medicine first and changing my mind. I am planning to apply for Medicins Sans Frontieres in the next two years as well as a Masters of Global Health at Oxford. I may not get in, but I will try! Life is exciting and ENFPs have big ideas! Study is not hard because we are intelligent, but focussing can be hard. It comes with practise. Go for your dreams, ENFPs are exciting and you will be very successful because you are passionate. Try to work on following through your exciting ideas to completion, something that doesn't come naturally to us.
 
I am strongly ENFP, crazy about life and love, and a true free spirit. I graduated from Medical School with first class honours and just got accepted to the most competitive Paediatric Training Program in the country, after trying Internal Medicine first and changing my mind. I am planning to apply for Medicins Sans Frontieres in the next two years as well as a Masters of Global Health at Oxford. I may not get in, but I will try! Life is exciting and ENFPs have big ideas! Study is not hard because we are intelligent, but focussing can be hard. It comes with practise. Go for your dreams, ENFPs are exciting and you will be very successful because you are passionate. Try to work on following through your exciting ideas to completion, something that doesn't come naturally to us.

You just gave me so much hope with that post. 🙂 I am so happy to hear that you've had great success in pursuing your dreams! I, too, am interested in internal medicine, but that might change in the future. Medicins Sans Frontieres sounds amazing. I hope you get the chance to join!

Focusing is still a major issue. I think I figured it out during undergrad, but med school is apparently a different ball game. Any tips on how you buckled down and forced yourself to memorize all of those details?

Working on the follow through. 🙂 It's always a struggle, but just getting started is a major hurdle and that's getting easier. Thank you for chiming in, ENFP soul sister (or brother)! :clap:
 
I'm just hoping to survive the first 2years (with the help of Anki flash cards since rote memorizing isn't really our thing) and looking fwd to 3rd year and on haha.

Let's share tips! I heard about Anki last year - thank you for the reminder!

I'll be getting Lippincott's illustrated guide for biochem (if there isn't something better out yet). The diagrams are so helpful! If I just draw pictures of the concept, it's so much easier to internalize the info.

Have you decided on your school with certainty?
 
SDN selects for NTJ type personalities... as an INTJ I feel like we are represented, but not overwhelmingly, in med schools. Lots of STJ types. J seems to be a very doctor-like quality. NF is very touchy-feely, so is also less represented. Combined, the NFP seems quite rare in med school, so yeah, fewer ENFP/INFP!
 
INFP and considering taking my MSW acceptance and ditching the whole med school idea altogether.

But then again, last night I saw a doctor in the ER with a very kind face. I only saw him for a split second but the kindness radiated out of him.

And in that same overcrowded trauma ER, I also saw a man with HIV treated with callous disregard. Though I had never been (knowingly) close to someone with that illness especially when they're leaking bodily fluids everywhere, I was overwhelmed by the lack of compassion from the nursing staff and my fellow employees.

I want to go where I can do the most good. Maybe it's medicine. Maybe medicine needs more doctors with kind faces who aren't in it for the money and see people for who they are and what they need instead of dismissing them for what they look like or what diseases they have.

Worried about getting through med school though, I'm not into blood and guts. I'm super sensitive IRL.
 
INFP and considering taking my MSW acceptance and ditching the whole med school idea altogether.

But then again, last night I saw a doctor in the ER with a very kind face. I only saw him for a split second but the kindness radiated out of him.

And in that same overcrowded trauma ER, I also saw a man with HIV treated with callous disregard. Though I had never been (knowingly) close to someone with that illness especially when they're leaking bodily fluids everywhere, I was overwhelmed by the lack of compassion from the nursing staff and my fellow employees.

I want to go where I can do the most good. Maybe it's medicine. Maybe medicine needs more doctors with kind faces who aren't in it for the money and see people for who they are and what they need instead of dismissing them for what they look like or what diseases they have.

Worried about getting through med school though, I'm not into blood and guts. I'm super sensitive IRL.

I'm INFP and in my last year of medical school. I'm super sensitive, super feeling, and super caring. I think it's unique in medicine but I think it helps me clinically and enhances my patient care. Not everyone in medicine you're going to see will be a kind face. But that holds true for every profession, including social work. "Be the change you wish to see in the world." I think that people should do what they like doing, what makes them happy overall (despite the bad days). I applied for residency in Internal Medicine. I think I want to do Primary Care. A lot of primary care is social work, which is what people hate about it, but is a part of the reason I like it.
 
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Thanks for saying that. I Actually want to go into Family Medicine if I decide to go to med school. It's nice to see INFPs in med school. Thanks for responding.
 
I am a pre-med but I am definitely too am an ENFP and am dreaming of working for MSF. I am already a field partner 🙂
 
Any other psychopathic medical students?
 
It's definitely not all telling but it has it's uses and it is quite interesting to look into. If you think it's B.S. look into why and give your opinion as to why. -INFP, but pre-med so this probably won't help much. I look forward to medical school but remember to keep myself hard-working and humble as I am an bit of an idealist. I feel like problems I may have are pretty much what everyone has. Difficulty with the details...though I hope focusing on the big picture can make make all the details stick better. 🙂


A reply to myself two years later:

Just as an update, I now think MBTI is completely BS.
I looked up Jung's work and the introduction is literally full of his surmisations. He goes along and says things like, you know...in my mind there just seems to be these kinds of people and then those kinds of people...there's nothing empirical to back up his claims. The reason why I think it gets so much attention is because it makes each of us feel unique in our own way and gives us a profile of unique strengths that we already think we have based upon our responses. There's not much negative in the MBTI descriptions either. Right now MBTI is one of the leading brands that is doing this so there's a lot of attention paid to it. Take "The Big Five" test as an alternative. I'm not saying it's better but I've heard it has more respect in the psych community and when I took it I was told I was neurotic and a bunch of other things which turned me off immediately. MBTI is also really a trap for a lot of introspective people who like to try to come up with trends and extensions off of MBTI.


That said, it may be interesting to do a study of self reported MBTI vs. predicted vs. eventual specialty.
Maybe if we have a huge amount of data there, we can start seeing some correlations.
 
To all the MBTI haters out there: points taken. If it helps you to better understand, predict the world around you, and interact with others, use it. If not, don't.

I'm INFP and in my last year of medical school. I'm super sensitive, super feeling, and super caring. I think it's unique in medicine but I think it helps me clinically and enhances my patient care. Not everyone in medicine you're going to see will be a kind face. But that holds true for every profession, including social work. "Be the change you wish to see in the world." I think that people should do what they like doing, what makes them happy overall (despite the bad days). I applied for residency in Internal Medicine. I think I want to do Primary Care. A lot of primary care is social work, which is what people hate about it, but is a part of the reason I like it.

Me too!! Why, hello! 🙂

I think our 'type' brings to medicine a very strong sense of moral obligation to do the best possible by the patient, both medically and otherwise (socially, spiritually, personally, etc.). I think we are our own worst critics, push ourselves extremely hard, but often in the service of some noble ideal and vision of betterment of the human condition. I wonder if we are extremely sensitive to burnout. My SO is an ENFP (surg resident) and we both struggle a lot with the rewards of patient care, on one hand, but the larger question of greater meaning, on the other (whether or not the daily deluges of organizational details and tasks and the 'actual work' of the profession are as profoundly meaningful as we had hoped…). We both still dream of becoming astronomers or global health experts or teachers or evolutionary biologists sometimes…

As of now, I'd say I'd pick the same path again. Ask me again next year as an intern.

For him, well into surgical subspecialty residency, I'm not so sure. Being able to offer unbelievable curative surgical treatments is awesome; his patients, their connections with him, their stories and gratitude light up his day. The extremely varied nature of his profession and the knowledge and expertise required keeps him constantly learning and interested. The surgical culture and extraordinary organizational skills required, as well as the extreme hours and utter lack of creativity that it entails most of the time often crush him.

I think he is one of the very rare -NFP types who found their way into surgery--not because they aren't good at it, but because there are so many personality and culture mismatches along the way to dissuade many of these people early on. He will be unique and great when finished, and patients adore him, but certainly has gotten pretty ground up in the process.

On one hand, medical training helps our 'types' address our weaknesses. This is good. On the other, it could potentially be suffocating. I say certainly look for the specialties within medicine that jive with at least part of who you already are; there are many choices.

The learning is absolutely NOT rote memorization if you have a keen mind and a desire to put the details together into a complex picture; to be one of the best students, you absolutely require this type of synthetic understanding. When things click, they are fascinating. How much time for love of learning remains in residency? TBD.
 
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I think MBTI is mostly astrology-type, pop psychology garbage as far as giving any relevant or actionable information. That said, I've had to take this test twice—once in high school and once at the end of college. I have been solidly ENTJ both times.

All I know is that I feel different from my classmates in a lot of ways. Maybe they're S/F or something but they definitely seem wrapped up in the emotional crap/"dream"/fantastical nonsense regarding becoming a doctor. I'd rather just make the best damned decision I can, get **** done, go home and do it all again tomorrow than perseverate over the possibilities and potential consequences. I know a lot of classmates who appear to have an incapacitating level of concern about the possibility of making the wrong decision either now or in the future. I see a lot of this in IM. I just figure that I'll do my best and some decisions will have negative consequences not by virtue of my making a wrong decision but due to the nature of having to make a decision in difficult or unclear circumstances. That doesn't really bother me at all but it seems to bother a lot of people.

Maybe I should have been a lawyer.
 
Call it what you like, but I know a lot of ENTJs with identical viewpoints and I could spot these thought patterns, motivations, and perspectives a mile away from your writing. Typical ENTJ. I also know how exactly to work with you. I know never to talk about my fantastical aspirations or dreams, to get my s*** together and be efficient and goal-oriented around you, get the job done and not ask questions, and not to bother trying to argue with you because you are extremely invested in winning and good at it. You traffic in logic, and emotions are perceived by you as weakness and excuses. Other people's suffering is perceived as weakness and excuses. If you haven't experienced it or thought it up or done it yourself, you don't believe it. Your way is the Right way. You want and need to be in control all the time or it irks you. You are a great leader and organizer with a view of the big picture and a great intellect. Empathy does not come naturally to you because you think there is one right way to do things (the best way, the way you do them, of course), and others are Wrong. Step 2 CS-type exercises to you are exercises in bull****. I work well with your type because I understand it, even if you assert that these types are made up. They can be useful and predictive with enough insight. We all have room for improvement and seeing things from others' perspectives is one that behooves a physician even if you find it inefficient.
 
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