Any guesses?

[deleted87051]

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Any guesses about the poison dart? Etorphine?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/...phone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0&referer=

 

[facted]

Sux? Remi? Separate bit of trivia: remember the theatre rescue in Russia many years ago that killed a bunch of the hostages? Reports suggest it was inhaled remi! Super interesting.

 

[deleted162650]

Sux? Remi? Separate bit of trivia: remember the theatre rescue in Russia many years ago that killed a bunch of the hostages? Reports suggest it was inhaled remi! Super interesting.

It was aerosolized carfentanil. Used in large animal veterinary practice due to its extreme potency. The sad thing is that many of the innocents could have been saved with narcan if only the Russians had shared what they used with the first responders.

 

[facted]

I guess we're both correct: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23002178

Agree a lot could have been prevented with some communication and narcan.

 

[Planktonmd]

Any guesses about the poison dart? Etorphine?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/...phone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0&referer=

How about Cyanide? or Arsenic?

 

[deleted162650]

Ricin?? The old Soviet poison pellet tipped umbrella to the leg trick.

 

[deleted171991]

That's why Narcan should be administered to any unwitnessed outpatient cardiorespiratory arrest.

 

[deleted87051]

Hopefully the real story comes out. We are always talking about sux darts but it seems less likely than the other suggestions.

 

[GravelRider]

Sux? Remi? Separate bit of trivia: remember the theatre rescue in Russia many years ago that killed a bunch of the hostages? Reports suggest it was inhaled remi! Super interesting.

I read an article recently about how the KGB and now FSB has a very vibrant division that researches fun ways to poison people. It started when there was an attempted assassination on Lenin and the bullets were coated with curare. This led to Lenin forming the poison research center known as the "Kamera" (translates to the "Chamber"). They are constantly innovating ways to poison people, such as ricin in the tip of an umbrella

(I'm sure our intelligence agencies have similar divisions).

 

[cchoukal]

Succ dart would require the medication be more concentrated than commercially available, but maybe this could be done. It would be a great choice though, if available

 

[deleted162650]

Succ dart would require the medication be more concentrated than commercially available, but maybe this could be done. It would be a great choice though, if available

You used to be able to get sux powder. It was common for bow hunters to coat their broadheads with it when deer hunting

 

[partydoc]

Anybody with a lab can lyophilize a bottle of sux for you

 

[lord_jeebus]

I've also read reports that they killed him with some sort of poison spray, and cyanide is already mentioned so I'll guess VX.

 

[Ronin786]

It was aerosolized carfentanil. Used in large animal veterinary practice due to its extreme potency. The sad thing is that many of the innocents could have been saved with narcan if only the Russians had shared what they used with the first responders.

If I recall correctly, they were too worried about the proprietary secret that they didn't care about telling anybody.

 

[deleted126335]

news reports say VX nerve gas.

He used a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[deleted126335]

I've also read reports that they killed him with some sort of poison spray, and cyanide is already mentioned so I'll guess VX.

Ding. Ding. We have a winner.

 

[Arantius]

I read they touched his face with something and shortly afterward he seized and then arrested. The attackers washed their hands and carried on... VX makes sense if the women had premeditated themselves with 2PAM/ atropine. Otherwise I can't surmise how they would have it on their hands and not succumb to the effects

 

[deleted162650]

"Hey Kim, does this smell like VX to you??"


Gets 'em every time.

 

[deleted126335]

I read they touched his face with something and shortly afterward he seized and then arrested. The attackers washed their hands and carried on... VX makes sense if the women had premeditated themselves with 2PAM/ atropine. Otherwise I can't surmise how they would have it on their hands and not succumb to the effects

binary weapon?

 

[Vandalia]

binary weapon?

That was my initial thought. A binary agent, each woman has one part, minimize exposure for them.

Now, I wonder if the first had the VX, premedicated with atropine and pyridostigmine and maybe something else. Then after a bit of time, the second comes along with water & bleach on a cloth to try to degrade the VX remaining on the face to reduce the chance of discovery of the agent. The fact that only one of them apparently later showed symptoms may support this.

 

[ZzzPlz]