Any lawsuits against Caribbean schools?

[unemployedgrad]

I was wondering if anyone has every brought a lawsuit against a Caribbean medical school such as Ross University for not providing adequate training (particularly in clinical rotations) in order to get into or succeed in a residency program.

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[oldpro]

I was wondering if anyone has every brought a lawsuit against a Caribbean medical school such as Ross University for not providing adequate training (particularly in clinical rotations) in order to get into or succeed in a residency program.

Tell Us more please I see your ID, why did you not do the right things in rotations? Did you not do the research to know what to do? I will be doing such research, I do not trust the school to always do the right things it's my life and I should know the right steps I think, I take the responsibility. But then again I'm a Nontrad with experience 😉

 

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I was wondering if anyone has every brought a lawsuit against a Caribbean medical school such as Ross University for not providing adequate training (particularly in clinical rotations) in order to get into or succeed in a residency program.

ross univ. is an overseas institution....so lawsuits cannot be made in foreign countries like they occur here in the USA. so to answer your Q....NO....if they do happen....they will go no where....

 

[SabaMed]

I was wondering if anyone has every brought a lawsuit against a Caribbean medical school such as Ross University for not providing adequate training (particularly in clinical rotations) in order to get into or succeed in a residency program.

They reason you didn't get a residency is because of the low Step1. Thats why I picked Saba over Ross is because Saba prepares the students for the Step. Now you have to pay the price for going to Ross.

 

[McGillGrad]

They reason you didn't get a residency is because of the low Step1. Thats why I picked Saba over Ross is because Saba prepares the students for the Step. Now you have to pay the price for going to Ross.

That reminds me, did you take step 1 yet?

As for the lawsuit, not very likely unless they blatently deny you a fair shot.

 

[bulletproof]

They reason you didn't get a residency is because of the low Step1. Thats why I picked Saba over Ross is because Saba prepares the students for the Step. Now you have to pay the price for going to Ross.

Students prepare themselves for the steps. This, coming from a Ross student with high 90s on both step I and step II. If you need to believe the above assertion to validate your choice in choosing a medical school, so be it. But please, don't spread your opinion as though it were fact. You are of course aware that in previous years individual ROSS students have actually acheived the highest scores in the NATION ( this includes students at schools such as JHU, harvard etc.) for USMLE scores. Do a google search or search here on SDN. It has been discussed before. At any rate I am no cheerleader for Ross. I always advocate shopping wisely when looking at Med. schools. However, I will credit them with teaching toward USMLE exams and those who do less well either fall into one of a couple of camps. No medical school ( SABA included ) is free of these individuals. Namely:
1. Poor test takers ( many are at carribean schools for this very reason )
2. Lazy students ( " " " " " " " " )
3. Those who worked hard but studied the wrong material and/or drew a blank on test day and/or whose "life-issues" interfered with their performance.

Take a look at Forums such as Ireland/UK. These students routinely score in the 90s on the USMLEs, and they openly admit that when it comes to these exams their schools are functionally useless ( Read as: they prepare themselves.) Let me reiterate for your edification: YOU prepare yourself. YOU and YOU alone take the exam(s). Your school is merely an instituion that grants you a degree.

 

[oldpro]

Students prepare themselves for the steps. This, coming from a Ross student with high 90s on both step I and step II. If you need to believe the above assertion to validate your choice in choosing a medical school, so be it. But please, don't spread your opinion as though it were fact. You are of course aware that in previous years individual ROSS students have actually acheived the highest scores in the NATION ( this includes students at schools such as JHU, harvard etc.) for USMLE scores. Do a google search or search here on SDN. It has been discussed before. At any rate I am no cheerleader for Ross. I always advocate shopping wisely when looking at Med. schools. However, I will credit them with teaching toward USMLE exams and those who do less well either fall into one of a couple of camps. No medical school ( SABA included ) is free of these individuals. Namely:
1. Poor test takers ( many are at carribean schools for this very reason )
2. Lazy students ( " " " " " " " " )
3. Those who worked hard but studied the wrong material and/or drew a blank on test day and/or whose "life-issues" interfered with their performance.

Take a look at Forums such as Ireland/UK. These students routinely score in the 90s on the USMLEs, and they openly admit that when it comes to these exams their schools are functionally useless ( Read as: they prepare themselves.) Let me reiterate for your edification: YOU prepare yourself. YOU and YOU alone take the exam(s). Your school is merely an instituion that grants you a degree.

I have t agree with this one, in the end YOU are the Doctor not the school,
It fails me why some grads still after 4 years do not understand they have to know the answers, they are now Doctors, nothing is handed to you.

 

[KBoogie311]

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Students prepare themselves for the steps. This, coming from a Ross student with high 90s on both step I and step II. If you need to believe the above assertion to validate your choice in choosing a medical school, so be it. But please, don't spread your opinion as though it were fact. You are of course aware that in previous years individual ROSS students have actually acheived the highest scores in the NATION ( this includes students at schools such as JHU, harvard etc.) for USMLE scores. Do a google search or search here on SDN. It has been discussed before. At any rate I am no cheerleader for Ross. I always advocate shopping wisely when looking at Med. schools. However, I will credit them with teaching toward USMLE exams and those who do less well either fall into one of a couple of camps. No medical school ( SABA included ) is free of these individuals. Namely:
1. Poor test takers ( many are at carribean schools for this very reason )
2. Lazy students ( " " " " " " " " )
3. Those who worked hard but studied the wrong material and/or drew a blank on test day and/or whose "life-issues" interfered with their performance.

Take a look at Forums such as Ireland/UK. These students routinely score in the 90s on the USMLEs, and they openly admit that when it comes to these exams their schools are functionally useless ( Read as: they prepare themselves.) Let me reiterate for your edification: YOU prepare yourself. YOU and YOU alone take the exam(s). Your school is merely an instituion that grants you a degree.

I don't think it could be said more clearly or more accurately. 👍
Doesn't matter where you go...if you don't study.

 

[jameslynton]

I was wondering if anyone has every brought a lawsuit against a Caribbean medical school such as Ross University for not providing adequate training (particularly in clinical rotations) in order to get into or succeed in a residency program.

I know of several suits. The court system here (US) and down there move very slowly on civil cases. So it may take years before it comes to trial. It will also cost $$$ - legal boy wants his up front.

Reading the other answers provides a good basis for you to look at yourself and what you did incorrectly and to correct it. We don't know your board scores or any other facts. You are a grad student and most schools assume you have some skill at filtering out the chaff from the grain. Besides Ross stand for Rely On Self Study - What part of that did you not understand during clinicals? I know several of the posters from Ross said they had to get the attending coffee. However, you are on a site and it is up to you to not be lazy. Ask questions and read the material for that rotation. US student have to do the same thing. You need to be prep'ing and pimping everyday. It does not fall in anybodies lap.

 

[jameslynton]

ross univ. is an overseas institution....so lawsuits cannot be made in foreign countries like they occur here in the USA. so to answer your Q....NO....if they do happen....they will go no where....

Actually, they (Ross) have to have US business licenses and thus are US corporations. Devry which owns Ross is a US corporation. However training issues are very weak cases to prove in courts against a school. If the rest of the people get residence - if XYZ does not then most likely XYZ is at fault if 1,000's of others did.


If a person from India gets hurt in France, the legal case maybe tried in US courts. There is a little know law that lets that happen here in the US. I think around 10% of the cases in NY are foreign tort/civil litigations.

 

[jameslynton]

Students prepare themselves for the steps. T... YOU prepare yourself. YOU and YOU alone take the exam(s). Your school is merely an institution that grants you a degree.

Well written and said!!!

 

[SabaMed]

Well written and said!!!

Ross is owned by Devry.

Problem with Ross is the class are so large that you don't get that one on one time you need to actually learn the material. Then you take the step and do poor and blame the school. Your the one that picked Ross. Only one person to blame. Now you have a huge student loan and no job. 😱

 

[Faraaz23]

Ross is owned by Devry.

Problem with Ross is the class are so large that you don't get that one on one time you need to actually learn the material. Then you take the step and do poor and blame the school. Your the one that picked Ross. Only one person to blame. Now you have a huge student loan and no job. 😱

Now I don't go to Ross, but I do go to a medical school with a fairly large class (230ish)... and while it is nice to be able to ask questions when material in lecture isn't clear to you, I don't think having one-on-one time with faculty is essential to doing well in med school and on Step 1. I don't think that occasional trip to the professors office is going to make-or-break the student. Students in medical school shouldn't NEED personal time with the professor in order to actually learn the material. Medicine has a VERY large self-learning component to it. If the notes/power points don't explain something well and the professor is not available, go to the library or bookstore and find a book that does. It's no one's job to spoon feed you knowledge but your own. Having open faculty is a nice perk, but its very possible to be successful without it. I know several people, myself included, who have yet to ever go into a professor's office to ask a question and are doing fine. I think Step 1 preparation comes down to whether your school's curriculum covers all the material that is fair-game on boards and more importantly how much effort YOU put into preparing. Clinical years are probably a completely different story...

To the OP... I don't know how much of a case you'll have even if you can sue Devry. Medical schools... even here in the US... never gaurantee that you will match just by attending their institution. Did you pass all your rotations on first try? Did you do well on boards? Are you trying for something competitive or semi-competitive. There are hundreds of spots that go unfilled every year even after the scramble... in programs that readily take FMGs.... were you not even accepted to any of these? It can easily be argued against you that SEVERAL if not majority of Ross grads get residency spots in the US. So unless they did something to hurt you specifically with no justafiable cause, I don't think you'll have a case.

 

[bulletproof]

Ross is owned by Devry.

Problem with Ross is the class are so large that you don't get that one on one time you need to actually learn the material.

Its Med school. Handholding is not routine at any institution. For those that are having difficulty with a particular subject tutoring and TAs are readily available at Ross. I know. I tutored biochemistry for two semesters and both of my students did very well in the subject. The idea that the majority of students need "one on one" time to learn is proposterous, particularly as we are at the graduate school level. Many, many students at Ross don't even go to lecture. They rely on solid sources such as Robbins. Yes, some students will need some more help, but there is help available. For whatever reason ( ego, denial, poor insight, laziness etc.) some students do not seek help. However, this is hardly institution dependent and is a reflection of the individual and their knowledge ( or lack thereof ) of themselves.

 

[SabaMed]

Its Med school. Handholding is not routine at any institution. For those that are having difficulty with a particular subject tutoring and TAs are readily available at Ross. I know. I tutored biochemistry for two semesters and both of my students did very well in the subject. The idea that the majority of students need "one on one" time to learn is proposterous, particularly as we are at the graduate school level. Many, many students at Ross don't even go to lecture. They rely on solid sources such as Robbins. Yes, some students will need some more help, but there is help available. For whatever reason ( ego, denial, poor insight, laziness etc.) some students do not seek help. However, this is hardly institution dependent and is a reflection of the individual and their knowledge ( or lack thereof ) of themselves.

Not talking about hand holding, I'm talking about small classes. It's proven that smaller classes=higher learning rate. If you don't think the school matters as far as your education then go to Spartan or one of the other ghetto caribbean schools and see how well you do on the step.
Fact is the school does matter and smaller classes do help.

 

[DRJJ1]

Now I don't go to Ross, but I do go to a medical school with a fairly large class (230ish)... and while it is nice to be able to ask questions when material in lecture isn't clear to you, I don't think having one-on-one time with faculty is essential to doing well in med school and on Step 1. I don't think that occasional trip to the professors office is going to make-or-break the student. Students in medical school shouldn't NEED personal time with the professor in order to actually learn the material. Medicine has a VERY large self-learning component to it. If the notes/power points don't explain something well and the professor is not available, go to the library or bookstore and find a book that does. It's no one's job to spoon feed you knowledge but your own. Having open faculty is a nice perk, but its very possible to be successful without it. I know several people, myself included, who have yet to ever go into a professor's office to ask a question and are doing fine. I think Step 1 preparation comes down to whether your school's curriculum covers all the material that is fair-game on boards and more importantly how much effort YOU put into preparing. Clinical years are probably a completely different story...

To the OP... I don't know how much of a case you'll have even if you can sue Devry. Medical schools... even here in the US... never gaurantee that you will match just by attending their institution. Did you pass all your rotations on first try? Did you do well on boards? Are you trying for something competitive or semi-competitive. There are hundreds of spots that go unfilled every year even after the scramble... in programs that readily take FMGs.... were you not even accepted to any of these? It can easily be argued against you that SEVERAL if not majority of Ross grads get residency spots in the US. So unless they did something to hurt you specifically with no justafiable cause, I don't think you'll have a case.

ROSS SEEMS LIKE THEY JUST WANT TO STUFF IN THEIR STUDENTS AND MILK THE MONEYYYYYYY IF YOU FAIL YOU FAIL WHO CARES IT SEEMS LIKE THEIR APPROACH JUST PAY THE BURSAR

 

[bulletproof]

Not talking about hand holding, I'm talking about small classes. It's proven that smaller classes=higher learning rate. If you don't think the school matters as far as your education then go to Spartan or one of the other ghetto caribbean schools and see how well you do on the step.
Fact is the school does matter and smaller classes do help.

Your original post argued that the OP did poorly because he went to Ross. I countered that his going to Ross had little to do with his poor performance. I offered the example of former Ross students who had the highest scores as anecdotal evidence against your claim that the school does not produce students capable of excelling on the USMLEs. And as some kind of counter argument you are now challenging me to attend schools I have never even heard of?????
And if indeed you had actually read my posts you would understand that I graduate from Ross in a few months and am already done with my steps. In light of this, what exactly were you hoping to achieve in suggesting that I go to one of the "ghetto" schools and see how well I do on the step. Given that you are in Med. School, I would have expected that your 'stellar' Medical school would have informed you that once you have passed the USMLEs you are not eligible to resit them, except for some exceptional circumstancs. See the NBME website for details.
Incidentally, I looked up the school you mentioned and their class sizes are rather small ( relative to Ross at least), thus your insinuation that students from this school perform poorly on the step is not in keeping with your argument that students from schools with a larger student body perform less well.
Reasoning and logic are integral to performing well on standardized tests as well as for formulating diagnoses and coming up with concise, effective treatment plans. Unless your school has a workshop in these critical skills I would suggest you brush up on them in your own time. Take care.
oh, and ...right back at ya'.