Any ORM or non-AA URM pre-meds out there?

[tofurious]

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I thought it would only be EMPOWERING to start a thread like this. For all those ORMs (over-represented minorities including Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indians, Pakistanis, Persians, Middle Easterners, etc) and non-Affirmative Action underrepresented minorities (eastern-Europeans, southeast Asians, etc), how do you feel about your applicant status and how do you think the application process should go? This especially goes for those who are applying this year or who are getting ready to start med school in two months.

I am an ORM and find it a disgrace that individuals under this designation may miss out on a lifelong dream because of political pressure from certain groups and the political guilt of others.

 

[Premedtomed]

Being a businessman by heart, lets work at this together.I think I have a good chance of getting into medical school. Let's form a network of Asian American premeds (I am of Indian origin) and make a political stand,.
LEt's just help each other out when needed 😀

I thought it would only be EMPOWERING to start a thread like this. For all those ORMs (over-represented minorities including Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indians, Pakistanis, Persians, Middle Easterners, etc) and non-Affirmative Action underrepresented minorities (eastern-Europeans, southeast Asians, etc), how do you feel about your applicant status and how do you think the application process should go? This especially goes for those who are applying this year or who are getting ready to start med school in two months.

I am an ORM and find it a disgrace that individuals under this designation may miss out on a lifelong dream because of political pressure from certain groups and the political guilt of others.

 

[ZekeMD]

This is stupid. You're just going to piss a ton of people off by starting a thread like this. AA is in place whether you like it or not. Parts of it may be unfair, but we all have to deal with it. All you can do is work your best to gain admission to medical school without worrying about being an ORM. If you work hard enough, you will get into school so stop complaining. If you miss out on your lifelong dream it is NOT because of AA, either you didn't have the ability to succeed in medical school or you didn't work hard enough. AA can't be used as an excuse!

 

[exmike]

let the flames begin!

 

[tofurious]

I graduated from med school already, so please spare me the "if you work hard enough". However, I feel that the rights of those specifically excluded by AA regulations should be protected. I am looking for opinions from the ORMs and non-AA minorities so that I get a broader perspective on the issue and plan a course of action to "right the historical wrongs".

 

[gschl1234]

I'm an ORM and I'd rather live in a world with AA than in one without it. I do think that there should be some reforms because race/ethnicity shouldn't be the only issue. An upper-middle-class URM probably has had many of the same advantages as ORMs or whites of the same class and it's not fair that they get preferential treatment. Similarly, lower-income ORMs and whites should get more consideration but currently under AA, they do not. AA should include siocio-economic background so adcoms can get a better overall picture of the applicant.

 

[OrthoFixation]

All you can do is work your best to gain admission to medical school without worrying about being an ORM. If you work hard enough, you will get into school so stop complaining. If you miss out on your lifelong dream it is NOT because of AA, either you didn't have the ability to succeed in medical school or you didn't work hard enough. AA can't be used as an excuse!

Funny, replace ORM with URM in your argument above and you have quite the case to end AA.

Now where did I put my ten foot pole . . . 😕

 

[cher25]

exmike, you're funny. the 'it's not that hard to get into Harvard after all' thread, reincarnated and resurrected LoL.

 

[bearpaw]

yeah, sdn sucks now...it used to be useful for the class of 2008, to figure out what was happening when. Nice when you want to see where you fall in the game...but now, the new applicants are asking questions that we all know the answers to.

if i had something else to do today, i would be doing it i swear...

 

[ZekeMD]

I graduated from med school already, so please spare me the "if you work hard enough". However, I feel that the rights of those specifically excluded by AA regulations should be protected. I am looking for opinions from the ORMs and non-AA minorities so that I get a broader perspective on the issue and plan a course of action to "right the historical wrongs".

FYI, I am caucasian. Not quite an URM.

Also, when you say "the rights of those excluded by AA," who exactly are you talking about? If it included everybody, wouldn't that make AA pointless? Or maybe change it so it also includes you? What point are you trying to make?

 

[tofurious]

FYI, I am caucasian. Not quite an URM.

Also, when you say "the rights of those excluded by AA," who exactly are you talking about? If it included everybody, wouldn't that make AA pointless? Or maybe change it so it also includes you? What point are you trying to make?

You're about to start med school, no? So I am saying that spare me the "why don't you work hard". I have never needed AA nor have I suffered significantly from it. However, that doesn't go for every ORM. If the argument of AA is to undo the damage done by those with historical advantage over other groups, it should include "everybody" without such legacy advantage. The simple fact that it doesn't makes it an unjust concept.

The point is to ask for the opinions of those who have "suffered historically" (whatever that means - people who have survived recent genocides have probably suffered more than many people who claim historical disadvantage in this country). If you do not belong to this group, you are entitled to listen to what they have to say or exercise your rights to not read this thread.

 

[Ryo-Ohki]

The ones whose civil rights are stripped. You know, the right not to be subjected to discrimination based on race in any program receiving federal financial assistance.