Any PM&R docs in this field?

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Hey! Last thread on this was from 2010. I’m an intern rn starting Pm&r residency in the summer. HPM has been on my mind since med school. I love Pm&r too and I think the mindsets are complementary to each other. That said now that I’m briefly looking at a few fellowship application pages when they list eligible specialties that can apply they never list PM&R. Do a lot of programs have restrictions that are more stringent than the full list of eligible acgme specialties for HPM? (PM&R is still on the official list!)

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Hey! Last thread on this was from 2010. I’m an intern rn starting Pm&r residency in the summer. HPM has been on my mind since med school. I love Pm&r too and I think the mindsets are complementary to each other. That said now that I’m briefly looking at a few fellowship application pages when they list eligible specialties that can apply they never list PM&R. Do a lot of programs have restrictions that are more stringent than the full list of eligible acgme specialties for HPM? (PM&R is still on the official list!)

They exist indeed. Rare but exist.
It just has to do with numbers. PMR is a relatively small specialty. HPM is a relatively small subspecialty. There is very little overlap as a result.

PMR docs can make for just as good a HPM doc as any other specialty.
In fact, one of the attendings at my fellowship program was PMR.
 
PM&R is a perfect fit for H&PM.

Physiatrists get a depth and breadth of experience as leaders of inter-disciplinary teams like no other speciality, and they've doing that since they were PGY-2s. For many of their patients, in many of the settings where they practice, they are or become their attending and even their ad hoc "primary care physician," managing their stable chronic illnesses, e.g., diabetes, hypertension, a fib, etc.

Also, their therapeutic orientation is one of working within constraints, often persistent, chronic constraints (be they traumatic, e.g., spinal cord injuries; definitive management outcomes, e.g., amputations; progessive/degenerative, e.g., ALS; and/or life-limiting primary diagnoses and co-morbidities, e.g., cancer, CHF, COPD), and many of which physiatric constraints progress and narrow into terminal constraints over the course of our care.

As a matter of course, they attain a deft level of comfort with caring for patients, optimizing their QOL and functioning, all while not pursuing any sort cure (because there is no cure for what they have). Many of their sibling specialties begin to move on as the outcomes of their interventions stabilize into their pateints' new and often diminished baseline. That's about when they become physiatry patients, often for the long haul. Physiatrists are accustomed then to operating in the field of grief of one sort or another.

Physiatrists volitionally climb into that tight space which their patients have come to occupy. Often suffering the glaring impotence of their attempts at intervention. Yet they abide with them sometimes only tinkering at the margins of pain and suffering and loss. Over the course of their practice, some of their patients obtain, and some come to them with a diagnosis of life-limiting/life-threatening illness condition that ultimately will be their cause of death. It would seem then a strange and arbitrary decision not to continue the care of their patients into the end of their lives; these patients and their families whom they have come to know so well. It is better and simply more fitting to their type and style of patient care to add some related skills to our repetoire and extend our abiding just a little further.

Adding other more straight-forward patients, e.g., PMH: CAD, HTN, COPD, DM, A Fib, PVD, OA and Stage IV CA, who does not have C4 ASIA A SCI, vented and spasticity, or (L)MCA with (R) hemi, dysphagia, aphasia and spasticity would be relatively easier work for physiatrists.

Also, while PM&R is the smallest of the co-sponsoring specialties for H&PM, they are the 3rd-leading specialty with respect to board certification, as a percentage of the total specialty:
Palliative Medicine Board Certification Numbers

"The Bureau of Labor and Statistics estimates about 633,000 physicians employed in 2006. Here are the following reordered breakdown of physicians by specialty (approx) with the number of HPM physicians in each. (1 HPM physician out of x specialists)

Internal Medicine (ABIM) - 177,000 - 1 out of 198
Family Medicine (AFP) - 100,000 - 1 out of 250
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (AAPMR) - 8,000 - 1 out of 888

Pediatrics (AAP) - 90,000 - 1 out of 1730
Radiology (ACR) 32,000 - 1 out of 1882
Psychiatry/Neurology (ABPN) - 46,000 & 13,000 - 1 out of 1966

Emergency Medicine (ABEM) - 34,000 - 1 out of 2833
Surgery (ABS) - 55,000 - 1 out of 4583
Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) - 52,000 - 1 out of 5777

Anesthesiology (ABA) - unable to access ABA"

Another little tid-bit.
Palliative Medicine Board Certification Numbers

What I see is that even when multiple-boarded, very few people wind up practicing across specialties. They usually wind up gravitating in one direction or another. Some people however do cobble together a wildly varied practice. I see myself as practicing H&PM primarily, being a medical director and perhaps doing EMGs and/or spasticity management clinics as well.
Other rehab intern here- I come back to this post every once in a while- palliative makes so much sense from PM&R!
 
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My HPM attending is PM&R trained, to my knowledge there are no restrictions at all. The more diverse backgrounds of Palli docs is a boon.

My attendings are IM, FM, EM, PM&R, Neuro, Psych. Past fellows have been surgeons as well.
 
When I was on the interview trail recently, there was a PM&R applicant I saw at several interviews. So I think there would be no issue in applying if you were interested!
 
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