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Any problems with DO's matching into surgical subspecialties?

Discussion in 'Medical Students - DO' started by gmacpac, May 9, 2008.

  1. gmacpac

    gmacpac 10+ Year Member

    Nov 21, 2006

    I apologize in advance if my question is not exactly topic specific. I have an acceptance into a DO med school and a UK (allopathic med school).

    I am very happy with both choices, but I want to base my final decision based on the type of residency match each route offers/limits.

    I was pretty much confirmed to go to the DO program because of its reputatioon and its proximity to my social support system, but one of my co-workers told me to consider foreign MD only because DO's dont usually match into surgical specialties. I know this sounds a bit stretched, but given the situation, I just wanted to see what some other folks on SDN had to say about this considering most of you have already been though this process.

    Any help and guidance will be greatly appreciated.
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  3. apass

    apass Senior Member 7+ Year Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    really i am crabby and not in the mood for this - but that is probably one of the most stupid questions I have seen. really.
  4. NuMD97

    NuMD97 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    Feb 1, 2002
    New York
    For whatever it's worth, here goes:

    In the past the rank order of preference USED to be as follows:

    (1) AMG
    (2) American IMG
    (3) American DO
    (4) Foreign IMG

    These days it goes:

    (1) AMG
    (2) DO
    (3) American IMG
    (4) Foreign IMG

    Some time ago a friend and I were discussing this situation. We both agreed that the climate is no longer what it once was for Americans going to study abroad if there were an alternative. In good conscience, neither he nor I could recommend that route anymore for an American-born national, if there is an alternative.

    Check around by calling some surgery programs and inquire what their admitting policies are. You'll have a better idea then.

    Good luck!

  5. bkpa2med

    bkpa2med 10+ Year Member

    Jun 26, 2004
    Don't forget that DOs have their own residencies as well. American IMGs have to compete with the AMGs.
  6. Winged Scapula

    Winged Scapula Cougariffic! Staff Member Administrator Physician Faculty Lifetime Donor Classifieds Approved 15+ Year Member

    Apr 9, 2000
    hSDN Member
    This forum is for the posting of available residency positions, not for general questions. Moving to Osteopathic forum...
  7. DrWBD

    DrWBD Formerly 'wanna_be_do' Lifetime Donor Classifieds Approved 10+ Year Member

    May 2, 1999
    Long Island, NY USA
    The short answer to the originally posted question: yes, a DO will have some problems matching into 'surgical subspecialties'.

    I put that last part in quotes because I'm not sure what is being referred to here - fellowships after a General Surgery residency (Burn, Trauma, Hand, some Plastics, CT, Vascular, etc.) or residencies like Ortho, ENT, and Urology. My anecdotal experience - take it for what it's worth - is that if you are a DO or an FMG that somehow gets into a categorical ACGME General Surgery residency and do well, you will be able to obtain most of the surgical fellowships without as much difficulty. The hard part, of course, is getting the residency, which will be a challenge for both the DO and the FMG.

    On the other hand, matching to ACGME residencies like GU, ENT, or Ortho is difficult even for US MD students. As mentioned above, the DO has the advantage of applying to both AOA-accredited residencies as well as to ACGME programs, an option that the FMG does not have. My opinion: if you can deal with not being an MD, go to the DO program. If the stigma of not being an MD is too great for you to deal with, just go foreign.

    DOCTORSAIB Ophtho or bust! 10+ Year Member

    Dec 15, 2000
    Baltimore, MD
    Agree 100%.

    OP, please learn how to use the SEARCH function on SDN.
  9. amyl

    amyl ASA Member 10+ Year Member

    just having gone through the match i strongly agree:
    1 - AMG
    2 - DO
    3 - fmgs/american imgs
    even for surgical subspecialties. is UK a caribbean school, I was thinking you meant U if Kentucky, kansas, etc? DOs do match into surgical subspecialties...i know a DO who did a vascular fellowship at duke... there are osteopathic plastics fellowships as well. if your choice is DO or caribbean, go will have more options.
  10. DocJulez

    DocJulez Awesome Canadian 7+ Year Member

    Mar 3, 2008

    I dare say the OP meant United Kingdom.....:confused:
  11. OHMAN0125

    OHMAN0125 Poor Member 7+ Year Member

    Jan 25, 2006
    I think it depends on which UK school. But in general I see alot of DOs who are subspecialty surgeons. And I see alot of FMGs who are also. So in general, it may be harder, but there are plenty of opportunities if u're a hardworker. If ur a slacker then regardless ur not gonna become that neurosurgeon.
  12. Lamborghini1315

    Lamborghini1315 Sleep deprived 7+ Year Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    One has to remember that DO's are growing and our population will be significant enough in the next few decades to be more familiar among the general population. A lot of trends in terms of residencies are also bound to change..just do your work, take USMLE's and apply widely.

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