Anybody doing in-office child work?

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We're still doing remote assessments. It actually works very well for the younger kiddos (ages 1-3) where it's the initial diagnostic eval. Not great with older/highly verbal kiddos (think ADOS-2 Mod 2 or higher), or with re-evals where I'm looking to also update cog, language, and motor skills measures. We are exploring options for in-office services. Any of you doing this in the 2-5 y.o. age range? Any advice/warnings? I'm actually VERY busy with remote assessments (this is mybsecond straight week of 200% billables), so not a financial priority. Goal is to do one or two office assessments per week for the "Zoom aversive" kiddos.

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I've been doing a ton of face to face testing work. Although not ideal, I wear a mask and face shield when I'm close to the kiddos. Obviously, I don't do that when I'm giving the ADOS.

Some people love getting out of the house. For others, its pretty terrifying.

Our clinic is limiting the amount of people that can come an appointment and we take temps and demand masks (when developmentally appropriate).
 
I've been doing a ton of face to face testing work. Although not ideal, I wear a mask and face shield when I'm close to the kiddos. Obviously, I don't do that when I'm giving the ADOS.

Some people love getting out of the house. For others, its pretty terrifying.

Our clinic is limiting the amount of people that can come an appointment and we take temps and demand masks (when developmentally appropriate).
Thanks for your reply. We would definitely limit to just the child and one parent. Others can Zoom in as needed. No waiting room- call me from parking lot, il escort to client specific bathroom for handwashing. We have clear masks for ourselves. One in-person per day (probably only 1-2 per week). For many families, zoom is just better, COVID or not, and we'll accommodate.
 
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Thanks for your reply. We would definitely limit to just the child and one parent. Others can Zoom in as needed. No waiting room- call me from parking lot, il escort to client specific bathroom for handwashing. We have clear masks for ourselves. One in-person per day (probably only 1-2 per week). For many families, zoom is just better, COVID or not, and we'll accommodate.
This is simillar to our plan, although the AMC hasn't cleared the brand of clear mask yet and is saying that if kid won't wear a mask we have to waer mask AND face shield so... ugh. We haven't actually done any in-person evals yet due to some administrative hangups which drives me nuts because I did a DI and brief observation of a kid who seemed really clear-cut but technology in their rural location is insufficient and i'm really frustrated- guess this might be a good use of that provisional dx option. So i have no useful tips. But I am curious to know what your remote process is for the evals - esp. for those 3-5 / mod 2 kids. We are still in a bit of a holding pattern for those as we figure out our process and focusing on the other ends of the waitlist instead.

Also curious to know- are you finding (as I am) that the remote evals are faster (for better or worse- I'm still thinking about the various contributors to see what i can learn about my own efficiency moving forward)
 
This is simillar to our plan, although the AMC hasn't cleared the brand of clear mask yet and is saying that if kid won't wear a mask we have to waer mask AND face shield so... ugh. We haven't actually done any in-person evals yet due to some administrative hangups which drives me nuts because I did a DI and brief observation of a kid who seemed really clear-cut but technology in their rural location is insufficient and i'm really frustrated- guess this might be a good use of that provisional dx option. So i have no useful tips. But I am curious to know what your remote process is for the evals - esp. for those 3-5 / mod 2 kids. We are still in a bit of a holding pattern for those as we figure out our process and focusing on the other ends of the waitlist instead.

Also curious to know- are you finding (as I am) that the remote evals are faster (for better or worse- I'm still thinking about the various contributors to see what i can learn about my own efficiency moving forward)
I have only done a few with kiddos over 3 who are in that MOD 2 range (for those of you not familiar, MOD 2 is used when the child displays consistent, non-echoed phrase speech). I kind of get a sense during the 1-hour intake how things will go via Zoom. Most of the time I'm letting the family know that I will just have to see them in-office when we are able to. Because there's only one other clinic in the area that these families could go to (other than some private pay ones that they couldn't afford) and the other one- while doing some in-person stuff- has a wait list well past the end of the year, telling them to go somewhere else that could see them sooner isn't viable. If there were other providers in the area doing quicker in-person stuff, I'd be sure to let families know, rather than keep them in limbo.

In those cases I have tried to do some of the conversational items to get a sense of the content and reciprocity of their speech. I also try to get a sense of their spontaneous play. I find that getting kids who "understand" zoom to ignore you when you are watching them remotely is pretty difficult! I do get some of the questionnaires done (e.g., SRS-2; Vineland). You can also get through some of the CARS. In these cases, I've basically let the family know that I don't have enough data to make an ASD diagnosis, though there's concerns and I can't rule it out. I have told them I'll see them in office ASAP, and have made referrals for other services- if indicated- in the meantime (things like speech therapy or wrap-around case management/behavioral services. It ain't great, but it's what we can do.

I do find that the zoom assessments with the younger kiddos generally take less time, but mainly because I'm only probing cognitive and language skills, vs. doing a direct assessment (e.g., Bayley). I am doing the Vineland Interview Form via Zoom, and I would typically have them do the Caregiver Form when in-office. All-in-all, I'm typically doing 90 minutes of semi-structured observations (e.g., ASD-PEDS; parent probes of some ADOS-@ items, like blocking/teasing toy play), put everyone in the zoom "waiting room" for ~30 minutes while i complete diagnostic profile and review/begin to score questionnaires and sketch out recommendations and prepare a letter as proof of dx, and then come back and do ~30-45 minutes of feedback, recommendations, etc. Report write up takes the same amount of time as for in-office stuff. Overall, I'm billing about 1-2 less hours per case, but will potentially make that up with some kiddos where i want them to come in just for an updated cog/lang or to fill in some gaps. I have been seeing more kiddos per week though, so have been overall more productive than usual (and i am typically VERY productive). We have been able to chip away at my LONG wait list as clinicians in my agency in less busy parts of the state have been able to "see" some of my kiddos remotely that they wouldn't have been able to efficiently see in-office (I work with a low-SES population that can't easily travel). There will definitely be some aspects of telehealth that we carryover post-pandemic (assuming, of course, that their ever is such a thing as "post-pandemic"). Personally, while I'm happy for the families that we have been able to continue to do assessments and get the kids services, this ZOOM stuff is getting old. I'm really missing that direct client contact and being in the room with the kids. ZOOM works pretty well if the goal is to do an assessment and make a dx and recommendations, but I also do this because it's really fun to play with the kiddos and the toys! I don't get that from Zoom.
 
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I think we work in a similar low-SES population. Are you salary?
 
Curious- why'd you ask?
Grass-is-greener-itis. I'm thinking about making some employment moves. I'm not sure if corporate healthcare is a great fit. My current agency kinda sucks (e.g., I have to test over multiple days, so inefficient; "productivity" metrics). But, the pay is just high enough to make me not want to leave, but they don't really do raises. Because our patient load is so low-SES and demand is good and there is a variety of referral q's, its good job, and I like serving my population with high quality evals (because they wouldn't get them anywhere else).

Really, I'm just kinda curious about what you do and your agency.
 
Grass-is-greener-itis. I'm thinking about making some employment moves. I'm not sure if corporate healthcare is a great fit. My current agency kinda sucks (e.g., I have to test over multiple days, so inefficient; "productivity" metrics). But, the pay is just high enough to make me not want to leave, but they don't really do raises. Because our patient load is so low-SES and demand is good and there is a variety of referral q's, its good job, and I like serving my population with high quality evals (because they wouldn't get them anywhere else).

Really, I'm just kinda curious about what you do and your agency.
We're technically a private group practice with regional locations throughout the state (MA). We're a private company, with a single owner (an Ed.D. in early childhood development but, more importantly, and excellent businessman). It's well run and we have to be fiscally accountable (which is not difficult given the need), but there's a very strong emphasis on the mission. Very much NOT a "corporate healthcare" feel to it.

Our main business is home based ABA, with about 500 employees (Mainly BA level behavior therapists and BCBAs). Each regional office has and assessment center "attached" to it. We currently have 5 psychologists, one post doc who staff our assessment clinics. We're salaried with varied- but reasonable- billable requirements, with a very good bonus system for achieving/exceeding requirements. I have basically tailored my own practice to just seeing the really young (1-4yo) kids who are suspected of having ASD. I set my own schedule and am left to do my job, but have plenty of opportunity for consultation with other clinicians (including assessing together on tricky cases, to expand my skills, or just to check reliability). Other psychs will see older children, up to 17, and do more neuropsych stuff, but early diagnosis of ASD is our main focus. I'm a BCBA-D, and do some treatment (though no current active cases) and supervision. We are affiliated with an ABA master's program, and I adjunct there.

PM me if you want to know more. Where are you located?
 
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