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Janieve said:
I prefer to use unnecessarily long or obscure vernacular for this sort of entertainment.

Like...

Guy: Come here often?
Me: Yes, I do frequently patronize this establishment. I find it to be a significant amelioration to my customary routine.
Guy: Oh yeah?
Me: Affirmative.
Guy: I'm just going to move on to the next girl...
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This is the way the OP in the "on not going to white coat ceremonies" thread probobly talks in public judging by the way he/she types. lol
 
Baron Samedi said:
...when it comes to people using the word "******" or "******ed"? Personally, I think as future and current health care professionals it's pretty low brow to use it. But maybe that's just me?
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just you
 
i don't think it's a nice word to use, so i don't say it. but it's not something i particularly care about - if others use it, i'll laugh along the same.

as the years in medical school have gone by, i think most people realise there's more appropriate terms to convey the same meaning. i honestly can't remember the last time i heard somebody use it for a joke. i'm sure it still gets used, but less often.
 
who gives a f***, really?

I love foul language and I'm extremely un-PC, as is my boyfriend (who happens to already be a doctor - so much for those "doctor-like qualities"). As long as you know when to censor yourself and behave appropriately, then who cares? Get over it.

Chances are your patients will call you way worse things than "******ed" anyway.
 
Since someone else brought it up, I think using "gay" and "rape" in a derogatory way is totally inappropriate as well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a guy say to another "man you got RAPED" or something like that. WTF? How the hell is that okay? I'm guessing the people who say that have never had anyone close to them experience sexual assault.

The gay slurs are ridiculous, too. Why is it necessary?

To the people who say that it's okay because everyone does it: grow up and grow a pair of balls. You're entering into a profession. And while that doesn't mean you have to be a saint, it ought to mean that you are man enough to not do something that is wrong because "everyone else does".

To the people who say they are free to say whatever you want: of course you are, but why should it come at the expense of a minority?

I just have trouble believing that people who have at the very least a Bachelor's degree on this forum still use this kind of 8-year old language to convey a message. Come on, you got an 11 on your VR but you can't think of something to describe a negative situation other than the words "gay" and "******ed"?
 
Baron Samedi said:
Since someone else brought it up, I think using "gay" and "rape" in a derogatory way is totally inappropriate as well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a guy say to another "man you got RAPED" or something like that. WTF? How the hell is that okay? I'm guessing the people who say that have never had anyone close to them experience sexual assault.

The gay slurs are ridiculous, too. Why is it necessary?

To the people who say that it's okay because everyone does it: grow up and grow a pair of balls. You're entering into a profession. And while that doesn't mean you have to be a saint, it ought to mean that you are man enough to not do something that is wrong because "everyone else does".

To the people who say they are free to say whatever you want: of course you are, but why should it come at the expense of a minority?

I just have trouble believing that people who have at the very least a Bachelor's degree on this forum still use this kind of 8-year old language to convey a message. Come on, you got an 11 on your VR but you can't think of something to describe a negative situation other than the words "gay" and "******ed"?
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Actually, I got a 12. 😎
 
I remember a thread about this same topic a year or so ago. I'll post my same thoughts.

In high school I used to use the word "******ed" all the time. I was also dating a girl who had a mentally handicapped brother. The entire 2 years we were together, I was probably around her brother a total of 6-7 times (for more than 5 minutes). Because of this, this connection slipped my mind all the time.

Today, it's embarrassing to think back on it.

(All of this was 10 years ago. A couple years ago after that I realized all this and I made the conscious effort to remove "******ed" from my vocabulary.)
 
This thread is ******ed.

P.S. OP is gay.
 
UrsusHorribilis said:
I'm surprised that "******ed" (not to mention "gay," "rape" and other obviously hurtful language) is even being debated on a board for people who, by and large, are devoting their lives to pursuing careers in medicine. You'd think that as aspiring health care workers, we'd all develop certain patterns of behavior based on the fact that much of the rest of our lives will be spent working with people who are often in an incredibly vulnerable state (potentially without being able or willing to articulate their points of view) and with whom we have no preexisting rapport to establish guidelines of effective communication. This consideration isn't limited to a hospital setting; when you yell slurs like that in a bar or social situation, it can still be hurtful or threatening to people around you. To respond to this very real possibility by assuming a defensive and immature "whatever, I can say what I want and people should just deal with it and stop being so sensitive" stance is incredibly lacking in empathy and common courtesy. This isn't about anyone's "right" to use this language, no one is challenging that. This is about people's decision to refrain from exercising that right based on their empathy and common decency and the hope that we who should be especially sensitive and attuned to the people around us would gladly refrain. What do you lose by doing a bit of self-censoring and using language that it less loaded with hurtful meaning and history for certain groups of people? Very little. There are plenty of other words you can use to express the same thing without being a jerk about it. What do you achieve by using that type of language? You make the facilities and community that people around you are inhabiting potentially a less safe and welcoming space, you intimidate and hurt people who are embarrassed or unable to speak up, and you reinforce prejudices and stereotypes against certain groups of people. I don't understand how anyone who feels like they have the characteristics to make a good doctor could defend their continued use of slurs? 😕 Sorry if I am being a crazy person right now...it is late haha.
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Baron Samedi said:
Since someone else brought it up, I think using "gay" and "rape" in a derogatory way is totally inappropriate as well. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a guy say to another "man you got RAPED" or something like that. WTF? How the hell is that okay? I'm guessing the people who say that have never had anyone close to them experience sexual assault.
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I have been sexually assaulted. It was a seriously horrible experience. And I don't get offended when shows like Family Guy make fun of rape, and I hear people on video games say stuff like "Man, you got raped." Why? Because they don't know who I am, and what I have been through. Why am I going to spend twenty minutes telling them my life story just because they spent 20 seconds saying some sentence or phrase?

And there is no justification for anyone saying those words. I'm not going to go all out and say that because everyone else does, I can too. However, why should you honestly care what someone else says on their own time or with their friends? If they say it in front of you, go ahead and be like, "Dude, that's not cool," and leave it at that. Stop doing this whole "We're going to be doctors," thing. Doctors are human, too. They say things and do things outside of the workplace that we don't know about. Doesn't make them any less good physicians, unless they're going out and saying those things on the wards.

Get over it, really.
 
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OP you are not stiff, and my guess is you have a close loved one or friend who is mentally or physically handicapped. My guess is that those who are offended or refuse to use the word no someone it affects, and it has nothing to do with being on a "high horse" rather its just life experiences.
 
It is only acceptable to use the word ******ed if you say it with a Boston accent.

Joking aside, I choose not to use the word because I think that I'm the one who ends up looking ******ed if I do.
 
There's one word that gets me even more than that one and that's rape. I don't know when it became acceptable to talk about exams "raping" you.
 


That's a really illuminating and helpful contribution to the discussion, Auburn. Way to be.

I think this is definitely something worth discussing since people on both sides clearly have some pretty strong feelings, but I also think this is a pretty lopsided argument so far. "Who cares? Whateva, I do what I want! Get over it" isn't really a helpful explanation for why this kind of language isn't a big deal or harmful. On the other hand, it's a much more substantive point when people mention that kind of language being hurtful to them personally or to the people around them, citing examples of people in their lives who are affected by this kind of language, and the fact that it's very, very easy for someone with the intellectual capacity and resources to earn a BA, apply to med school etc. to avoid just a few words without changing their speaking style (unless every other word out of your mouth is gay/****** in which case there's a problem...). I really don't get the attitude of folks who insist on sticking to this type of language. Say whatever you want if you're really alone with your friends, but most of the time you're in public and not entirely alone and the things you say affect people around you. Even if it's a stupid point, or people are overly sensitive, or your friends call you gay/******ed/whatever, is it really *that* much to ask to choose a slightly different word to potentially avoid hurting someone's feelings? You would think you were being asked to give up some fundamental right in your life. Just watch what you say/don't be cruel when you're in a public space...it's not rocket science.
 
UrsusHorribilis said:
That's a really illuminating and helpful contribution to the discussion, Auburn. Way to be.

I think this is definitely something worth discussing since people on both sides clearly have some pretty strong feelings, but I also think this is a pretty lopsided argument so far. "Who cares? Whateva, I do what I want! Get over it" isn't really a helpful explanation for why this kind of language isn't a big deal or harmful. On the other hand, it's a much more substantive point when people mention that kind of language being hurtful to them personally or to the people around them, citing examples of people in their lives who are affected by this kind of language, and the fact that it's very, very easy for someone with the intellectual capacity and resources to earn a BA, apply to med school etc. to avoid just a few words without changing their speaking style (unless every other word out of your mouth is gay/****** in which case there's a problem...). I really don't get the attitude of folks who insist on sticking to this type of language. Say whatever you want if you're really alone with your friends, but most of the time you're in public and not entirely alone and the things you say affect people around you. Even if it's a stupid point, or people are overly sensitive, or your friends call you gay/******ed/whatever, is it really *that* much to ask to choose a slightly different word to potentially avoid hurting someone's feelings? You would think you were being asked to give up some fundamental right in your life. Just watch what you say/don't be cruel when you're in a public space...it's not rocket science.
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Did not read.

Maybe throw in some paragraphs or indentations next time or something.



I have a few mentally handicapped people who I am somewhat close to, and I have no problem saying "******ed." Obviously I wouldn't refer to them as that, and I don't use it in a clinical setting or anything.


You can barely call black people "black" anymore, you can't call midgets "midgets," and you can't call a ruh-****, a ruh-****.


This country is getting way too PC for its' own good.
 
You say that we are saying "I do what I want" but you are screaming "grave injustice." Is it too much to ask? Yes it is. Why? Because I can advocate whatever I want as giving to me by being a citizen on the united states. Is it offensive? Sometimes, but who cares. Some christians are offended by athiests. Some standing for pro-life are offended by pro-choice. Every person is given the right to decide what they believe, and you are asking me to change mine. Do I say ******ed or gay often. I don't. But the point is I will stand up everyday and fight for your right to get offended by what I say, but that also means I will fight for my right to say what I say. It is no different than asking me not to stand in support of homosexual marriage because you personally disagree with it.

So let me ask you this. As an educated person with a bachelors degree, why do you feel it is necessary to restrict what I want to say in a country that has guaranteed me the freedom to say what I want to say?
 
The Poet Sings said:
how does using the terms to refer to the actual communities warrant a facepalm? i wasn't using it in a derogatory fashion, which is the problem we're talking about.
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The whole point of this thread was to point out that the word "******ed" isn't PC, and you shouldn't use such a word to refer to mentally disabled people. They certainly don't refer to themselves as the "******ed community"

So I guess you're just as bad as the rest of us supposed immature asses with our politically incorrect way of speaking. 🙂
 
christina30 said:
The whole point of this thread was to point out that the word "******ed" isn't PC, and you shouldn't use such a word to refer to mentally disabled people. They certainly don't refer to themselves as the "******ed community"

So I guess you're just as bad as the rest of us supposed immature asses with our politically incorrect way of speaking. 🙂
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i did it for uniformity. it wasn't my intention to do it in a derogatory way at all. so i guess my problem is laziness. and, for what it's worth, ******ed was once pc, until it started being used to put down others. so i figured that if my intent was clear, that it would be ok to just keep using the same phrase throughout. i guess i was wrong. so if anyone was GENUINELY offended, i apologize.

and no, i'm not as bad as the rest of you 😛.
 
You see the problem is everyone is so worried about hurt feelings that america is turning into a bunch of pu**ies. And no one knows the limits anymore cause everyone is a pu**y. Hell, I was told "african american" was no longer politically correct. And dwarf. And chinese, blah blah. Nothing is politically correct anymore. I am not going to attempt to tiptoe around your feelings, because then you are going to get offended because I think you can't talk and act like a grown up. It is ridiculous. Doctors are too scared from hurting feelings that they can't say "you are fat. If you don't lose weight, you will die." Sometimes a person needs to hear the harsh truth and when they don't, it is no wonder they fail. Sometimes a kid needs to hear that an A- isn't accetable so they show their real potential.

Maybe I just believe in freedom of speech and choice more than you do. I don't know. But I do know that people getting so offended by it makes me laugh. You have much to learn in the real world.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
Nothing is politically correct anymore.
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THIS. Dude, a friend of mine is half-Japanese. We're looking around for his mom. A conversation between him and a stranger actually goes like this:

Friend: Hey, have you seen a Japanese woman around here? About this tall, middle-aged, blue coat?
Stranger: I'm sorry. I can't help you. I don't see race, I don't see age, and I don't see height. All I see are people.
Friend: Blue coat, then. An Asian lady in a blue coat.
Stranger: I'm sorry. I really, uh...see, arbitrarily labeling people is the beginning of prejudice, and prejudice is the basis of racism and--well, maybe you're too young to understand--
Friend: I'm just trying to find my mom! She's from Japan, so we call her Japanese. Dark hair, small eyes, short. You know, Asian. Have you seen--
Stranger: See, your arbitrary labels--
Friend: Screw this. I'll check the waiting area. Janieve, you check the bathroom.

I mean, wtf. We can't even say "Japanese" or "Asian"? Apparently, not even "short" or "middle-aged".

That's messed up.
 
I don't like when people say things are gay, and not using it ironically.

I don't mind "******ed." I say it occasionally, only with my boyfriend or close friends.

I don't say "African-American" unless I'm talking to a black person and think there's any chance they'll be offended at "black." I really don't agree with the term "African-American," and this is why: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=your_stupid_ideas
 
christina30 said:
The whole point of this thread was to point out that the word "******ed" isn't PC, and you shouldn't use such a word to refer to mentally disabled people. They certainly don't refer to themselves as the "******ed community"
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Actually, some of them do. My partner drives public transit in San Francisco and one of his best stories involved a regular passenger of his who was mentally ******ed. This guy would board the bus every day, have his exact fare ready, and go to his job at Goodwill. Like clockwork.

One day, this hotshot in a business suit gets on and can't figure out the farebox, and then escalates to arguing to try to get a free ride. My partner just shrugs and repeats the fare amount. The guy eventually yells at the whole bus saying "What are you saying? That I'm too stupid?"

Regular passenger speaks up in a loud voice (that clearly has the intonations typical to people with developmental disorders) and says "Hey! It's not that hard! I'm ******ed and even I can do it!"

The whole bus clapped. :meanie:

That being said, I would agree that ******ed people are allowed to call themselves with that word if they choose, just like black people can use the N-word on eachother if they so choose.
 
Dianyla said:
Actually, some of them do. My partner drives public transit in San Francisco and one of his best stories involved a regular passenger of his who was mentally ******ed. This guy would board the bus every day, have his exact fare ready, and go to his job at Goodwill. Like clockwork.

One day, this hotshot in a business suit gets on and can't figure out the farebox, and then escalates to arguing to try to get a free ride. My partner just shrugs and repeats the fare amount. The guy eventually yells at the whole bus saying "What are you saying? That I'm too stupid?"

Regular passenger speaks up in a loud voice (that clearly has the intonations typical to people with developmental disorders) and says "Hey! It's not that hard! I'm ******ed and even I can do it!"

The whole bus clapped. :meanie:

That being said, I would agree that ******ed people are allowed to call themselves with that word if they choose, just like black people can use the N-word on eachother if they so choose.
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auburnO5 said:
Did not read.

Maybe throw in some paragraphs or indentations next time or something.
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Yes. My apologies. ~5 sentences certainly crosses the threshold of a challenging read.


Next time I will be more judicious.


I guess talking about stuff like this on an internet forum is pointless. For my own peace of mind I would just say that the country is becoming more "PC" because it's also becoming a less straight, white, upper/middle class male society. As our society begins to accommodate a wider variety of people into its framework of respect, it takes a little bit more work to make sure no one's toes are being stepped on. Also, using a term descriptively, as it is used in several examples on this thread, is different than using is as a derogatory slur. Okay whew...I promise no more rants here from this one :laugh: .
 
christina30 said:
The whole point of this thread was to point out that the word "******ed" isn't PC, and you shouldn't use such a word to refer to mentally disabled people. They certainly don't refer to themselves as the "******ed community"

So I guess you're just as bad as the rest of us supposed immature asses with our politically incorrect way of speaking. 🙂
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Nooo that wasn't the point. The word "******ed" I think is okay in a clinical sense, however; it is not okay to refer to something as ******ed just because you don't like it or you think it's stupid or something. Or to call someone ******ed(outside of a clinical sense).
 
Baron Samedi said:
Nooo that wasn't the point. The word "******ed" I think is okay in a clinical sense, however; it is not okay to refer to something as ******ed just because you don't like it or you think it's stupid or something. Or to call someone ******ed(outside of a clinical sense).
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Last time I checked "the ******ed community" in the case we're discussing, isn't being used "in a clinical sense"

Just saying.
 
christina30 said:
Last time I checked "the ******ed community" in the case we're discussing, isn't being used "in a clinical sense"

Just saying.
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"Pt is a 34 yr old, effing ******ed male presenting with ..."

Nope, haven't heard it recently.
 
illegallysmooth said:
"Pt is a 34 yr old, effing ******ed male presenting with ..."

Nope, haven't heard it recently.
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The offical label for congnitive impairment in the DSM is still 'mental ******ation', which means that's what goes on all your SOAP notes. When you hit 3rd year you'll hear it often, at least in psych.
 
Perrotfish said:
The offical label for congnitive impairment in the DSM is still 'mental ******ation', which means that's what goes on all your SOAP notes. When you hit 3rd year you'll hear it often, at least in psych.
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Yeah, but wouldn't you phrase it "hx of MR" or "pt with significant MR" or some variation thereof? I doubt you'd say "oh, yeah, and he's ******ed." I've read a lot of consults and H&Ps and haven't seen that one yet.
 
illegallysmooth said:
Yeah, but wouldn't you phrase it "hx of MR" or "pt with significant MR" or some variation thereof? I doubt you'd say "oh, yeah, and he's ******ed." I've read a lot of consults and H&Ps and haven't seen that one yet.
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I guess so, but do you really think that 'patient has severe mental ******ation' is alright but 'patient is severely ******ed' is offensive? It seems like splitting hairs to me.
 
Perrotfish said:
I guess so, but do you really think that 'patient has severe mental ******ation' is alright but 'patient is severely ******ed' is offensive? It seems like splitting hairs to me.
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To honest, no, I don't think it's offensive, but it doesn't sound professional to me. If I heard someone, even a nurse or doctor saying "he's (severally/really) ******ed" I would think they're saying "he's a dumb@ss," because that's actually happened. In a clinical setting, I've only heard "MR" or "mentally ******ed."
 
After reading this entire thread, all I know is that I would call a lot of these posters "******ed" face to face..
 
Can we have a poll on who thinks this is the most worthless thread in the history of SDN?


Who gives a rat's ass what others say.
If you don't like it don't say it.


To each his own.

I am actually very offended by this little guy :barf:I throw up all the time and that's is downright hurtful.😀
 
copon said:
I am actually very offended by this little guy :barf:I throw up all the time and that's is downright hurtful.😀
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And I'm offended by this one: :idea: because no matter how hard I try, I can't get my little superfluous floaty light bulb to light up, even when I have a GREAT idea. It's not fair when I'm bulbily-challenged.
 
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