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That's what I'm facing this coming semester with a quiz at the end of each week. Anyone have any strategies to study for something like this...or been through a similar curriculum? Any advice appreciated.

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That's what I'm facing this coming semester with a quiz at the end of each week. Anyone have any stratagies to study for something like this...or been through a similar curriculum? Any advice appreciated.

yea. but not everyday. fridays are short
 
That's what I'm facing this coming semester with a quiz at the end of each week. Anyone have any stratagies to study for something like this...or been through a similar curriculum? Any advice appreciated.

Same situation last semester, I had class 7-9 hours a day. The best things for me to do when faced with a crap block like that was:
1) Don't get behind. Universal truth in every medical school.
2) Don't go to classes if you don't get anything out of it and it's not mandatory. When I skipped my biochem classes to study on my own, I learned metabolism faster than I would've going to class and scored significantly higher on my tests (always at least 1 SD above mean).
3) Don't be a good student and read everything recommended, just try to survive. It's impossible to read every little thing your professor thinks is somewhat important, go for high-yield, skim the materials briefly, and don't get stuck studying the same thing too long, or you'll waste your time with diminishing returns.
4) Manage your time well. Enough of this has been talked about on SDN.
5) What you may or may not have heard, and what I think is most important, is to triage your classes and pick your battles. If you have a ton of tests coming up and they are of different weights, focus on the ones you think you can do well and count significantly towards your final grades. You don't need to do well on every test to have a good score at the end. It's always about the big picture, ya know?
 
Whoa, 7 hours a day seems pretty excessive, but is this everyday?


Pretty much everyday until Spring Break, then we move to a systems based curric. These next 8 weeks are supposed to be a bear. 😱
 
We've got 6-8 hrs 5 days a week.
 
Wow that's rough, we have 3-5 usually and the 5 days are pretty brutal. Skip classes that you feel won't benefit you and if you want watch lectures at home to speed the process up.
 
Wow that's rough, we have 3-5 usually and the 5 days are pretty brutal. Skip classes that you feel won't benefit you and if you want watch lectures at home to speed the process up.

Watching lectures at home will never "speed the process up" unless you can
speed up the audio file itself (which is ridiculous, its hard enough to
absorb at normal speed)
IMO, it will only slow things down. If you get up early in the morning to
go to school, you usually have the mental energy to actually learn
something, plus there are less distractions at school (there are exceptions
to this, but come on, the house/town has more distractions than
a classroom and library).
That said, it is beneficial for some to not listen to the lecture AT ALL,
and study a different way.
 
Watching lectures at home will never "speed the process up" unless you can
speed up the audio file itself (which is ridiculous, its hard enough to
absorb at normal speed)
IMO, it will only slow things down. If you get up early in the morning to
go to school, you usually have the mental energy to actually learn
something, plus there are less distractions at school (there are exceptions
to this, but come on, the house/town has more distractions than
a classroom and library).
That said, it is beneficial for some to not listen to the lecture AT ALL,
and study a different way.

Well we can speed the videos up to 2.5x normal speed and you can still absorb quite a lot from professors at 1.5ish speeds.
 
That said, it is beneficial for some to not listen to the lecture AT ALL,
and study a different way.

This is my tactic. Class doesn't work for me because it takes up too much time and leaves me too drained for further effective study, and I just can't focus when listening to lectures online. I do pretty much all my learning from the course syllabus or from outside reading. It's efficient, and I'm a lot happier than I would be if I were attending 7 hours of lecture or listening to 4 a day.

So op, if you're not a strong auditory learner, maybe try to ditch the class thing (and yes, that means ditching the online lectures, too) and see what happens.
 
This is my tactic. Class doesn't work for me because it takes up too much time and leaves me too drained for further effective study, and I just can't focus when listening to lectures online. I do pretty much all my learning from the course syllabus or from outside reading. It's efficient, and I'm a lot happier than I would be if I were attending 7 hours of lecture or listening to 4 a day.

So op, if you're not a strong auditory learner, maybe try to ditch the class thing (and yes, that means ditching the online lectures, too) and see what happens.

thats what i did and i seemed to have a lot of free time with nearly the same scores. Try it op it works!
 
That's what I'm facing this coming semester with a quiz at the end of each week. Anyone have any strategies to study for something like this...or been through a similar curriculum? Any advice appreciated.

Well, we don't have a quiz every week, but my school does have us scheduled for 7 hours of class tomorrow. I guess it's their way of saying "Welcome back. Now let us push you that little bit closer to insanity."

My strategy is to often skip classes. I go for the first week or two, then see what I can cut out. But then I'm not a lecture person, and I retain much more studying on my own.
 
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This is actually a huge debate at our school. More than 4 hours a day of class is not logial. A book I read on studying in medschool said to perform well you have to study atleast 8 hours a day. Add more than 4 hours of class and you have pretty much reached impossible. The last 2 years our school grades have reached an all time low (says the faculty) and they blame it on the lack of class attendance. I took a survey of our class and the faculty couldn't be more wrong. Most of the top students don't go to any class and study on their own. Most of the top schools in the nation have moved away from long class hours and toward a breif schedule that merely tells you what to go study on your own. To me this makes more sense. Medical knowledge is infinite, theres no way they can lecture on everything we need to know in 1 hour blocks, its just not possible (especially at the rate some of our lecturers speak).

Another good example. Our pathology lectures are very simple and straight forward but our tests ask questions on detailed facts you could only get right if you memorized robbins. What motivation do I have to go to class when I could more efficiently spend my time reading robbins on my own that hour at home. This way I pick up the basics and also maybe pick up a detail here or there, AND have more time to read it again because I didn't waste time at 5 hours of class.

I for one can't stay focused in class and have totaly given up on it, it so low yeild and time consuming, but maintaining the motiviation and will power to get up at 8 in the morning and study for 8 hours a day is not an easy task either.

Unfortunately our faculty and administration is so fed up with the lack of attendance, they are considering making it manditory (don't think it will happen before I get out of here though)
 
if you were to "watch lectures" online or whatever, how would you know they're good and where would you get them? i've never heard of such a think?
 
if you were to "watch lectures" online or whatever, how would you know they're good and where would you get them? i've never heard of such a think?

Our school video records lectures and makes them available to be streamed. Many other schools do this as well, and I believe this is what the poster was referring to.
 
This is actually a huge debate at our school. More than 4 hours a day of class is not logial. A book I read on studying in medschool said to perform well you have to study atleast 8 hours a day. Add more than 4 hours of class and you have pretty much reached impossible. The last 2 years our school grades have reached an all time low (says the faculty) and they blame it on the lack of class attendance. I took a survey of our class and the faculty couldn't be more wrong. Most of the top students don't go to any class and study on their own. Most of the top schools in the nation have moved away from long class hours and toward a breif schedule that merely tells you what to go study on your own. To me this makes more sense. Medical knowledge is infinite, theres no way they can lecture on everything we need to know in 1 hour blocks, its just not possible (especially at the rate some of our lecturers speak).

Another good example. Our pathology lectures are very simple and straight forward but our tests ask questions on detailed facts you could only get right if you memorized robbins. What motivation do I have to go to class when I could more efficiently spend my time reading robbins on my own that hour at home. This way I pick up the basics and also maybe pick up a detail here or there, AND have more time to read it again because I didn't waste time at 5 hours of class.

I for one can't stay focused in class and have totaly given up on it, it so low yeild and time consuming, but maintaining the motiviation and will power to get up at 8 in the morning and study for 8 hours a day is not an easy task either.

Unfortunately our faculty and administration is so fed up with the lack of attendance, they are considering making it manditory (don't think it will happen before I get out of here though)

Most of the top students at my school DO attend class.
Its awesome that all of our professors love to teach, and are really
great. I've skipped lectures rarely, and it was because I was
just not in the mental state to pay attention. Some people at
our school don't attend, but I am convinced that if you actually
attempt to pay attention, you can truly get A LOT out of 1 hour
of lecture. It is just a different way to empahsize the
concepts in your arsenal. I think to learn things in different ways
definately makes the material stick.
 
That's what I'm facing this coming semester with a quiz at the end of each week. Anyone have any strategies to study for something like this...or been through a similar curriculum? Any advice appreciated.

We have 7 hrs everyday. I read ahead, go to class, then re-read on the weekends. It's highly probable that your quizzes will be testing if you've read or gone to class not if you know everything.
 
This is actually a huge debate at our school. More than 4 hours a day of class is not logial. A book I read on studying in medschool said to perform well you have to study atleast 8 hours a day. Add more than 4 hours of class and you have pretty much reached impossible. The last 2 years our school grades have reached an all time low (says the faculty) and they blame it on the lack of class attendance. I took a survey of our class and the faculty couldn't be more wrong. Most of the top students don't go to any class and study on their own. Most of the top schools in the nation have moved away from long class hours and toward a breif schedule that merely tells you what to go study on your own. To me this makes more sense. Medical knowledge is infinite, theres no way they can lecture on everything we need to know in 1 hour blocks, its just not possible (especially at the rate some of our lecturers speak).

Another good example. Our pathology lectures are very simple and straight forward but our tests ask questions on detailed facts you could only get right if you memorized robbins. What motivation do I have to go to class when I could more efficiently spend my time reading robbins on my own that hour at home. This way I pick up the basics and also maybe pick up a detail here or there, AND have more time to read it again because I didn't waste time at 5 hours of class.

I for one can't stay focused in class and have totaly given up on it, it so low yeild and time consuming, but maintaining the motiviation and will power to get up at 8 in the morning and study for 8 hours a day is not an easy task either.

Unfortunately our faculty and administration is so fed up with the lack of attendance, they are considering making it manditory (don't think it will happen before I get out of here though)

In those books the 8 hrs. a day include class. At least in the ones I've read. And even though the top scorers don't have to go to class to do well, perhaps the majority of the class does. In that case not going to class would bring the average class score down. In my school professors say this as well, and I've seen the proof.
 
my first semester had only about 3 hours a day or less but this semester is much closer to 7-8 hours. Its absolutely terrible!..but I'm planning on starting to skip the vast majority of the classes...even though my class only has 24 students so it will be pretty obvious
 
7 hrs a day is stupid.

Think about all the info that's being covered in 5 days a week, 7 hrs of lecture. Then think about how long your tests will be. The trick is to figure out what gets you the info on that test.

Ask your upperclassmen friends, ask the TAs, ask anyone who's been through it to see what's the shortest path to get to know the info for the exam. Everything else is just the professor enjoying the chance to listen to himself talk.

If you have some sort of transcript service or video service, you can skip class and just go high yield hunting on your own.
 
I'm confused... I also have 7-9 hours of lecture each day, 5 days a week (sometimes shorter on fridays). I thought most schools had this? If not, what kind of schedule do you have, and how do you fit all the info into 4 years??
 
i have two on AVG, 5 at the most.

But my thesis prject requires at least 3 hours in the lab/day.
 
I'm confused... I also have 7-9 hours of lecture each day, 5 days a week (sometimes shorter on fridays). I thought most schools had this? If not, what kind of schedule do you have, and how do you fit all the info into 4 years??

On average, we have about 4 hours of lecture a day. MTTh are 4 hour days, W is usually 6 hours and F is 2 hours. The thing is that lecture shouldn't cover everything you're supposed to learn because it's not an efficient way to get at that, so I don't see how reduced lecture hours necessarily results in covering less material.
 
This block (Physio and Biochem) we have 5 lectures a day with some clin med thrown in there some days. They will also be nice to us every week or two and will have a day with only 2-3 lectures and a lab/review. So it's really not too bad.

7 hours of lecture every day? Can you say waste of time? Stream stream stream. 7 hours becomes 3.5 hours and is at least manageable. Do you guys do well on exams? That seems like it is impossible unless they give you like a week off before each test.

What block is this by the way?
 
Both Med1 and Med2 schedule at our school averages 3-4 hours of lectures per day.
 
In those books the 8 hrs. a day include class. At least in the ones I've read. And even though the top scorers don't have to go to class to do well, perhaps the majority of the class does. In that case not going to class would bring the average class score down. In my school professors say this as well, and I've seen the proof.

I totaly agree, and some of our classes are worth it...but for the most part our lectures do not reflect the test questions at all...thats why its a huge debate at our school...I mean obviously if the lecture focused on what was tested, why would anyone skip? We have alot of guest lecturers and for some reason our administration thinks its a good idea to have multiple lectures, and then have someone else (usually the program director) to write the test questions. So the test questions hardly reflect the lecture material.

Personally I'm a little frustrated, I feel like classes I took at a community college over the summer in undergrad were better structered and put together than most my classes here...which is ass backwards
 
I totaly agree, and some of our classes are worth it...but for the most part our lectures do not reflect the test questions at all...thats why its a huge debate at our school...I mean obviously if the lecture focused on what was tested, why would anyone skip? We have alot of guest lecturers and for some reason our administration thinks its a good idea to have multiple lectures, and then have someone else (usually the program director) to write the test questions. So the test questions hardly reflect the lecture material.

Personally I'm a little frustrated, I feel like classes I took at a community college over the summer in undergrad were better structered and put together than most my classes here...which is ass backwards

I've often felt the same way. Throwing random experts at you makes the class seem more disjointed and doesn't really enhance learning, especially since what we're learning right now is actually pretty basic.
 
Academia is a magical place, where those fond of attention and free coffee & cookies flock.

Unfortunately, this paternal power-hunger makes too many bark lecture for those infamous 7 - 9 per day.

I say ... give them what they want. F over our first two years, attend everything and get the h*ll out. : )

Research contradicts high hours of paternalistic powerpoint reading, but most backwoods schools cling to it like life blood. Hopefully when these dinosaur Ph.d. benchwarmers that got their Ph.d.'s in the 70's (totally groovy man) retire, students will be set free more to get some learning done.

We can hope, since it couldn't get much worse than the horse and pony show that is the modus operandi now.

Wondering how nice it'd be to go to a D.O. school where they do not have 100 years of policy and social baggage. Maybe something would get done? At my school we have about 40+ professors and the students constantly ask, "what are we paying for?"

Nice.
 
Or put differently, why am I paying so much to teach myself?


Academia is a magical place, where those fond of attention and free coffee & cookies flock.

Unfortunately, this paternal power-hunger makes too many bark lecture for those infamous 7 - 9 per day.

I say ... give them what they want. F over our first two years, attend everything and get the h*ll out. : )

Research contradicts high hours of paternalistic powerpoint reading, but most backwoods schools cling to it like life blood. Hopefully when these dinosaur Ph.d. benchwarmers that got their Ph.d.'s in the 70's (totally groovy man) retire, students will be set free more to get some learning done.

We can hope, since it couldn't get much worse than the horse and pony show that is the modus operandi now.

Wondering how nice it'd be to go to a D.O. school where they do not have 100 years of policy and social baggage. Maybe something would get done? At my school we have about 40+ professors and the students constantly ask, "what are we paying for?"

Nice.
 
Our M2 year was the worst, we had many 8h days of lecture. I was just raring to go home and study after that. Ugh.

Actually, what most of us did was go online and look stuff up or just study off the notes while the lecturers were talking. What can I say - lectures were mandatory.
 
Our M2 year was the worst, we had many 8h days of lecture. I was just raring to go home and study after that. Ugh.

Actually, what most of us did was go online and look stuff up or just study off the notes while the lecturers were talking. What can I say - lectures were mandatory.

Mandatory? That's harsh.
 
I think after a certain point it gets ridiculous...too much lecture tires you out tremendously, and seriously, what motivation do you have to go and study (let alone do something to distract your mind for an hour or so or stay healthy) after that marathon. That really blows and I feel bad for those who have to go through that. I sometimes wonder if that's something some schools do simply to justify their higher rank or some other nonsense: "We train the best student doctors, because look how MUCH they learn! They have 45 hours of lecture a week!" I'm sure lots of them look down on schools with a lot less lecture time as inferior. Seriously what is the curriculum staff/deans thinking?

At my school, we have 3-5 hours of lecture a day, but more often 3 or 4 than 5. 5 is rare. During anatomy we had 4 hours of lecture + 4-5 hours of lab, but that was only during that nine week hell period. Normally we have class from 9-12 every day, and usually on tuesday and thurs afternoons we have some doctoring activity like more lecture or small groups. Second year has more free time than first year. We get lots of afternoons off. There are days with two lectures in the morning and that's it, and every now and then we have a whole day off for independent study.

This makes everyone a LOT happier and less miserable about school overall. School doesn't have to hell for you to become a great doc. That's nonsense. I have adequate time to study/rewatch lectures, study for the boards for several hours each week, go out and have fun with my friends on a friday or saturday almost every week, except right before exams, workout 4 days a week (to stay healthy!), etc. Life is great.

It's funny, I thought of this when I read through the thread of being single in med school and people were complaining that they didn't have time to date outside of school, and if they did, they would only be able to see the person like every two weeks. Now I see why. Sure, there are a few couples in my class, but only 3 or so among 154 people. Everyone else is either with someone outside of medicine or is dating around outside. I personally only really date girls who have nothing to do with my school. Ugh...then again, I have the time luxury to do it, I suppose. 😀
 
Oh and to clear things up, no, I am not at the very top of my class, but am in the top quartile (which is all our dean differentiates in our letter when applying to residency) of 150 people. After all, I'm not after one of the crazy specialties where I would need AOA or other high end stuff. This is good enough for internal medicine + cardio fellowship.
 
I think after a certain point it gets ridiculous...too much lecture tires you out tremendously, and seriously, what motivation do you have to go and study (let alone do something to distract your mind for an hour or so or stay healthy) after that marathon. That really blows and I feel bad for those who have to go through that. I sometimes wonder if that's something some schools do simply to justify their higher rank or some other nonsense: "We train the best student doctors, because look how MUCH they learn! They have 45 hours of lecture a week!" I'm sure lots of them look down on schools with a lot less lecture time as inferior. Seriously what is the curriculum staff/deans thinking?

At my school, we have 3-5 hours of lecture a day, but more often 3 or 4 than 5. 5 is rare. During anatomy we had 4 hours of lecture + 4-5 hours of lab, but that was only during that nine week hell period. Normally we have class from 9-12 every day, and usually on tuesday and thurs afternoons we have some doctoring activity like more lecture or small groups. Second year has more free time than first year. We get lots of afternoons off. There are days with two lectures in the morning and that's it, and every now and then we have a whole day off for independent study.

This makes everyone a LOT happier and less miserable about school overall. School doesn't have to hell for you to become a great doc. That's nonsense. I have adequate time to study/rewatch lectures, study for the boards for several hours each week, go out and have fun with my friends on a friday or saturday almost every week, except right before exams, workout 4 days a week (to stay healthy!), etc. Life is great.

It's funny, I thought of this when I read through the thread of being single in med school and people were complaining that they didn't have time to date outside of school, and if they did, they would only be able to see the person like every two weeks. Now I see why. Sure, there are a few couples in my class, but only 3 or so among 154 people. Everyone else is either with someone outside of medicine or is dating around outside. I personally only really date girls who have nothing to do with my school. Ugh...then again, I have the time luxury to do it, I suppose. 😀

That was a long post, and I agree with every word. I go to a school with the same philosophy and similar schedule. It is wonderful. I have friends that go to a school that thinks that having long lectures and training hardasses is the way to go. They are miserable. It just sad.
 
I'm not miserable with being in class 6-7 hrs/day. It's actually a very social environment compared to what studying at home would be. Our lectures cover every word in the syllabus and so for me that 7 hrs is completely equivalent to 7 hrs of reading. Plus it solidifies the information to me because I hear it in a different form (auditory) and in a different way (the professor doesn't just read the syllabus). I only study 2/3 hrs outside of class/day and then a bit on weekends. Before each test (they are spread out) they give us three or four days off just to study. I think it's pretty fair...... You were probably talking about my school Zulu 😉
 
I'm not miserable with being in class 6-7 hrs/day. It's actually a very social environment compared to what studying at home would be. Our lectures cover every word in the syllabus and so for me that 7 hrs is completely equivalent to 7 hrs of reading. Plus it solidifies the information to me because I hear it in a different form (auditory) and in a different way (the professor doesn't just read the syllabus). I only study 2/3 hrs outside of class/day and then a bit on weekends. Before each test (they are spread out) they give us three or four days off just to study. I think it's pretty fair...... You were probably talking about my school Zulu 😉

Haha no, I wasn't talking about your's. Everbody's different of course, but having had a taste of both (I did a prematric program here that had long lecture days...I hated it) I can say I'd take the free time. Med school lectures for me are low yield...throw up some ppts, dim the lights, and watch me fall asleep after 30 min..too passive for the amount of info. I went to lecture in undergrad religiously, and rarely studied the textbooks, but that was in a highly conceptual field (econ), where lectures I think can be more helpful. Except for test weeks, I'd say I spent 25-35 hrs/wk on med school.
 
I'm not miserable with being in class 6-7 hrs/day. It's actually a very social environment compared to what studying at home would be. Our lectures cover every word in the syllabus and so for me that 7 hrs is completely equivalent to 7 hrs of reading. Plus it solidifies the information to me because I hear it in a different form (auditory) and in a different way (the professor doesn't just read the syllabus). I only study 2/3 hrs outside of class/day and then a bit on weekends. Before each test (they are spread out) they give us three or four days off just to study. I think it's pretty fair...... You were probably talking about my school Zulu 😉

I think that's a fair deal. Problem is for us that our next test is the Monday and Tuesday after a weekend so there is essentially no extra study time for us. Normally, we have a study day with nothing on that day scheduled.
 
Wait, there are med schools that have less than 7 hours of class a day? We sit in class from 8am to 5pm most days, with the occassional 8am - 8pm (though not all class...). Tuesdays and Fridays are nice... we usually only go 8am - 1pm...
 
Wait, there are med schools that have less than 7 hours of class a day? We sit in class from 8am to 5pm most days, with the occassional 8am - 8pm (though not all class...). Tuesdays and Fridays are nice... we usually only go 8am - 1pm...

Loyola generally only has a few hours of lecture each day (for M1s, at least). Here's our schedule for this week:
http://www.meddean.luc.edu/template...ay=211&i=26&academic_level=1&dateis=1/21/2008

We're only assigned to one of the three "small group" times, so usually we have one full day and four half-days a week. Love it love it LOVE IT. 😍
 
Wait, there are med schools that have less than 7 hours of class a day? We sit in class from 8am to 5pm most days, with the occassional 8am - 8pm (though not all class...). Tuesdays and Fridays are nice... we usually only go 8am - 1pm...

I really think that's atypical. We had something close to an 8-5 schedule our first semester just because we had anatomy lab two afternoons a week and our clinical medicine class one afternoon a week. So that was sitting in class for 4-5 hours a day followed by lab or small discussion stuff for the clinical medicine. After that ended, we switched to the 4 hours thing. I'm just thinking having that much lecture is really inefficient.
 
Helpful skills:

Stocking cap with earplugs or earbuds underneath. High collar shirt or down vest hides the wires leaving posteriorly and underneath my shirt. At least I can get some reading done during blabla lecture.

Ritalin.

Not taking computer to class increases productivity like 500%. When bored, I read my book or notes, space out for a while, repeat. Better than stuipid facebook like my classmates.

Breath deeply, try to meditate, try to not get frustrated that you are wasting 2 years of your life 8 hours per day. View your frustration as your opponent.

Ask no questions. Never ask questions. Profs are hypersensitive and need to be made to feel safe.

Sit near the back.

Don't stand out, or be a problem EVER.

When class and required **** is over, leave immediately! Don't go to parties or other **** to get yourself involved in little rich kid drama. Lay low.

Nod sometimes, prof's get erections when you do that. Yes, I am very interested in the last publication you had when I was 6 years old. Wow, cutting edge gramps.
 
Helpful skills:

Stocking cap with earplugs or earbuds underneath. High collar shirt or down vest hides the wires leaving posteriorly and underneath my shirt. At least I can get some reading done during blabla lecture.

Ritalin.

Not taking computer to class increases productivity like 500%. When bored, I read my book or notes, space out for a while, repeat. Better than stuipid facebook like my classmates.

Breath deeply, try to meditate, try to not get frustrated that you are wasting 2 years of your life 8 hours per day. View your frustration as your opponent.

Ask no questions. Never ask questions. Profs are hypersensitive and need to be made to feel safe.

Sit near the back.

Don't stand out, or be a problem EVER.

When class and required **** is over, leave immediately! Don't go to parties or other **** to get yourself involved in little rich kid drama. Lay low.

Nod sometimes, prof's get erections when you do that. Yes, I am very interested in the last publication you had when I was 6 years old. Wow, cutting edge gramps.

...a bit cynical, but refreshingly honest...GOOD INFO! 😀😀😀
 
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