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Anyone have the match lists for Georgetown...

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Orthopod, Nov 16, 2002.

  1. there's been a flog of members saying how great Georgetown's match list are...wondering if those same people could post them!!

    thnx
     
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  3. surfdevl02

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    Anyone with the Georgetown match list???
     
  4. Yogi Bear

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    from what i remember: there's about 20-25 orthopedic mathces each year, ~10 general surgeries, ~7anesthesiologies, 3-4 neurosurgeries, etc.

    basically, it was the field that they were good at. the actual instituation placement was just like any other school (they didn't have that many MGH).
     
  5. surfdevl02

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    Is Georgetown known for its orthopaedic surgery dept? Just curious cause that's what i ultimately want to do (as of now...)...How did you guys/gals prepare for the interview and what kind of questions did they ask?

    Thanks!
     
  6. zer0el

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    i highly, highly doubt they matched over 20 to ortho. i think it was more like 10-15.
     
  7. macdown

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    I did my masters degree at Georgetown, and in every medi school class I ever took they told us the Georgetown matches at least 20 orthopaedic residencies a year. They pride themselves on that reputation.
     
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    what i heard was that 26 was the record for one year. when i counted the recent placements, i'm pressure sure i counted like 20-something.
     
  9. surfdevl02

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    Wow!!! If that's true, i'm definitely going there! But in all honesty, is that really true?? That seems quite a bit for a school with not that great a rep...
     
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    Assuming they told us the truth at the interview day, a recent class (last year?) sent 26 people into orthopedics. And yes, that is quite remarkable.
     
  11. Yogi Bear

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    in general, i found that although georgetown students enter a lot of difficult specialties, the admissions office talked more about the sheer # rather than the prestige of the institution. i.e. not all 26 of the georgetown ortho students ended up at Harvard, JHU, etc. for residence. they might have gotten into a no-name school, but they still got into good residency fields. however, looking at harvard's matchlist, i found that the residency programs that HMS students got into were really high-caliber names (Harvard, Duke, etc.), but that many of the students enterred primary care fields rather than a bunch of specialties like at georgetown. it's all based on personal preferences of what people are more happy with. (i.e. be a starting quarterback at a non-playoff team or be a reserve on a championship team).
     
  12. surfdevl02

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    Are you saying that G-town is a no-name school or that people there mostly go for competitive residencies?
     
  13. SunnyS81

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    Yogi Bear,

    I would be careful calling someone a "reserve" who is a primary care resident at top tier hospital. Remember that primary care includes internal medicine, which has a LARGE chunk of specialties. And ever since when did specialists become "quarterbacks?"

    I'm not offended..........just might want to watch your phrasing in the future......
     
  14. Gleevec

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    Uhhhhh... no :rolleyes:
     
  15. Yogi Bear

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    it's just a hastily put together analogy...hehe. by saying "reserve", it's just an example and not meant to diss the primary care field or anything since it's more compatible w/ athleticis. umm...specialist become quarterbacks as the bcs bowls come in like 10 days. ;-) anyways, maybe a better example would be an athelete chooses to go to a lower ranking school/division II football team just so he could become a starter all four years as opposed to a another athelete who goes to a high ranking school/division i football team but has to be a reserve for a couple of seaons before he can finally start. 30 years down the road, the division ii guy could claim that he was an all star starter for all four years, while the division i guy (who may be better) may have only limited time to start. however, the people who end up in the nfl are usually division i players (like the people who end up w/ academic positisions often come from the top 10 med schools).
     
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    They're known for having a great match list.

    Their reputation is one of the best in the U.S.

    Perhaps their medical reputation took a hit last year, but that was because they had financial problems and didn't make US Snooze because of that.
     
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    thanks nirvana
     
  18. INeedAdvice

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    That's true about their financial problems coming at the same time that they were lowered on the us news rank. They had been ranked for all of those years and then all of a sudden?? I don't think that's a coincidence. I think the rankings depend a lot on how much the schools can line the pockets of others....



    Sounds like the Bobby Bowden fans who claim that he's only a few games behind Paterno as the "winningest coach", when in reality, they're counting 30 or so wins from way back when Bowden was a coach in the double A division! :laugh:

     
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    I think someone on SDN said they had a matchlist for gtown and would scan it when he got back to school..but i can't remember your name....are you still around??
     
  20. Jalby

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    I don't believe an average of 20 for a second. MCWmark had a list, but I'll try and look it up.
     
  21. Jalby

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    Just looking at some schools:
    UCSF had 6, 3, and 4 in the past years.
    Cornel had 2
    Stanford had 2
    Ohio state had 6
    Oregon had 4
    Vandy had 6

    Yeah, 20 a year is complete BS.
     
  23. samyjay

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    ALRIGHT! The number is 17 orthopedics. Remember georgetown has a very large med school class, so percentage wise, it migth be around the other schools. Anyway, i have the list, it was sent to me when i requested it. Ill scan it, maybe tonight actually, since classes have not swung into full gear.
     
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    Thanks Samyjay, i would really appreciate it if you scan that match list...17 does sound like a lot....how many are in the incoming class at gtown anyhow?? I never knew that they had a larger than normal class...that's an oh-oh......
     
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    I just scanned the match list. It is six pages long, so six PDF files ( i dont know how to combine them into one. Anyway, the whole file is about 350K (not too big). So if you want a copy, just PM me and ill email it to you. The mystery has been solved

    samyjay
     
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    Thanks Samyjay! I just PMed you...
     
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    WOW!! I think that is one of the best match lists I have ever seen! They really have a lot of their students matching for competitive residencies, irregardless of their large class, the percentages for ortho, neuro surg, urology, etc look extremely high...i wouldn't have believed it if i didn't see that for myself, samyjay...thanks bud!!
     
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    I don't get how people can look at match lists and say "this is good" or "this is bad". What are your criteria and how do you know what are good residency spots?
     
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    thanks samyjay :)
     
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    I have a friend who went there and said that tons of grads get into the most competitive residences. Good luck getting in!

    Jalby - Several posters had said that it was around 20. What? Did you think they were all BS'ing?!? :mad:
     
  33. Jalby

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    On this message board sometimes people say things that they think and other people interpret them to be facts. Then those other people report them to be fact a few months later.(observation over the last two years)

    Just looking at the matchlists that I had at the best schools (which are facts), and the highest was 6 orthos, I find it very hard to believe that Georgetown could consistantly get ~20 orthos, also considering that Georgetown prides itself on producing primary care clinicians. Considering california only has 42 Ortho spots (don't take that as fact. I was told that by a forth year and I'm only 50% sure I remember the exact number), having GT being able to fill have of that would be amazing.
     
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    The fact that they got TWENTY when an ivy league school and Stanford get around 2 is totally amazing in itself.....so for Georgetown to be pulling down numbers in Ortho, Neuro Surgery, etc... isn't really surprising.

    Because you have to remember that even though Georgetown isn't one of the top med schools in the country, it's name is up there with the Stanfords and Chicagos....who are right up there behind the Ivy Leagues in terms of prestige, reputation, etc..

    You could think or say that "MIT is nerdy" or that "Stanford is a Harvard wannabe" or that "Chicago is past its prime" or that "Georgetown has its nose in the air".... but the general concensus of the country is that those schools, along with the Ivies, are in the highest echelons of academia.

    Schools like Stanford, Georgetown, MIT, or Chicago, and definitely any of the Ivy Leagues are always (at least for the foreseeable future) going to have the "you can't touch this" prestige; for good or for bad.

    You can point out their faults and their downfalls, but that won't change the fact that their names are considered the most prestigious in all of academia.
     
  35. Jalby

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    You go to Georgetown, don't you?? To put Georgetown in the same sentence as those other schools is ridiculous.
     
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    I agree with Jalby. G-town is NOT in the same class as MIT, Stanford, and the Ivy League. Hardly anybody in Cali gives two sh*ts about G-town. Of course, Cali isn't the world, but I'm sure you'd get that impression anywhere outside the East coast.

    And about G-town's match list. You guys should know that NU and G-town match more students into ortho than any other med schools. I believe NU had at least 10 last year. The reason is that, at least in G-town's case, ortho does a good job of pumping up the specialty. Think about that. If a school promotes applying to competitive specialties, then you'll get people matching into those specialties. But what about the quality of those programs? Are they as high as UCSF's or Stanford's? Even though Stanford didn't match as many into ortho, I doubt that their grads couldn't get into ortho. It's probably because many of them didn't want to go that route.
     
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    I'd agree Georgetown is a tier below those schools named in terms of prestige. Stanford and MIT are known internationally as the same level as the Ivies. Georgetown has a ton of name power on the east coast, but it diminishes as you move further away.

    But whatever, you can't claim that it has a ton of ortho placement based on its name. If that were the case, Harvard and hopkins would have 25, UCSF, Stanford, Penn would have 20+, etc.... It all comes down to what is promoted at the school. Of course, it's name helps, but its not the driving factor.
     
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    Jalby,

    I totally agree that Georgetown has one of the best names in the country and I don't go there.

    Its name isn't Yale or Harvard, but I'd admit that Stanford's and M.I.T.'s names aren't as prestigious. Georgetown's a Top 20 School (its undergrad) and its law school is world renown. Its prestige is really high. Where are you from?

    I'm not from the west coast and west coasters tend to downplay eastern schools. On the other hand, people not from the west coast think of UCLA as a basketball school and really only see one school as prestigious from out west - and that's Stanford. ;)
     
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    Doctor Girl, I'm sorry, but G-town is just not in the same class. If you're going by name recognition, the poll that Gallup conducted clearly shows that Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, and Stanford are recognized somewhat widely by the public (although there is a significant gap between Harvard and #2). Georgetown isn't.

    If you're going by academic reputation, there is no way that G-town is in the same class as those aforementioned. Its research, faculty, student body quality, etc. just doesn't compare.

    Prestige-wise, I'm sure it's very big in the Northeast, but it doesn't have the national rep of the top 5, and certainly not the international rep (except it's foreign studies dept. of course).
     
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    Perhaps there is a disconnect in your definition of "best" and what other people think. When I hear "best" names, I'm thinking TOP 5 names, perhaps at most 10. If you're thinking best=Top 25, then your statement makes sense. Otherwise, I can't see putting Georgetown ahead of traditional top names (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Columbia, Penn, Caltech, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke). Don't get me wrong, Georgetown is an awesome school, but "best" is only used for a handful of schools generally.
     
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    I have posted similar opinion on the NYU vs Mt. Sinai, and Case v.s. Northwestern threads. This kind of stuff come up every year when people get multiple acceptances and they are simply making the decisions harder than they need to be.

    Just make things easy for yourself, which one cost less, is closer to your family, appears to be in better city?

    if you still cannot decide, then flip a coin.

    all the talk about prestige, matchlist, student competitiveness, how many go into ortho (read Georgetown thread), which one has "better" teaching hospital (read NYU vs Mt Sinai), etc. is exessive.

    How can you judge prestige? Outside of top 10 there is no difference. Just as long as your school (i.e. Mt. Sinai, NYU, Georgetown, Northwestern, etc.) has SOME national prestige, then you are fine. Residency directors have seen graduates from various medical schools going through their programs. They have seen it all. They are not going to nod their heads more vigorously at you just because you come from Georgetown whlie the guy next to you go to Mt. Sinai. Please don't get so full of your "medical school"!!!

    How can you judge matchlist? UCSF is primary care focused, and if you are going to choose Georgetown over UCSF because Georgetown places more kids in Ortho, then please DO give your UCSF spot to someone else who has more common sense.

    How can you judge student competitiveness? All med students are anal. That's how they got to where they are (not through partying but through analness). some of the top 10 schools probably are filled with more anal classmates who study all the time than other schools. But other than that, how can you judge accurately by your minimal contact with students on one SINGLE day of interview? How can you judge the whole student body through your interaction with your host? My advice is to choose a school with 150's rather than 50 or 100 med students, because that way, you are bound to hit off with somebody. With a larger student body, you get a better chance of finding your perfect "niche." 150 vs 100 is not much of a difference; both will provide highschoolish, gossipy atmosphere. But the class with 150 students give you 50 more people to interact with and find your niche than the class with only 100 kids.

    Granted, Harvard and hopkins can open someone's eyes. But if you are going to be miserable at Mt Sinai, you will probably be miserable at NYU. If you are going to mess up at Mt Sinai and not get that coveted ortho spot, I don't think that going to Georgetown in the first place would have given you that ortho spot either.
     
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    I think you're right in that there's a big difference between "best" and "prestige".

    For instance, Duke is a ranked medical school, but most people don't think of them as a "prestigious school". They think about their sports programs or that it's a school where southerners go when they can't get into a top Northeastern college. :laugh:

    But the difference is that we aren't most people. We're students looking at rankings.

    Most Americans don't know that Brown isn't a highly ranked medical school, but if you tell them you go there for med school, it will impress the hell out of people, moreso than if you said that you went to a school like Duke (although medical students will be more impressed with the latter).

    Same with a school like G'town. It's impressive even if you're going to their medical school (which isn't highly ranked) soley because they have a "prestigious name".

    Cal tech? I'll bet most Americans have never even heard of them. It's not a "prestigious" school like G'town or MIT, but it's one of the highest ranked for computers. :cool:

    So, yes, there's definitely a difference between what's prestigious in the eyes of Americans and what's the highest ranked.

    "Just make things easy for yourself, which one cost less, is closer to your family, appears to be in better city?"

    Thewonderer - Yes! It all works out in the end. It doesn't really matter how prestigious your school is as long as you work hard and get good grades and get a decent job when you're done. ;)
     
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    Does anyone have the match list samjay scanned.... If so will you email it to me!!
    Post post

    P.P.
    I got it thanks

    Thanks!!!
     
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    Hi all,

    I got it!! Thanks and no need to send it to me!!
     
  45. surfdevl02

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    You have mail gluon...
     
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    does anyone still have the match lists for georgetown- I didnt look at it when i interviewed, but I would love to see it- can anyone email it to me?

    thanks!
     
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    When interviewing at G-town this year, Ms. Sullivan specifically mentioned the 17 ortho matches. She also emphasized the competitive nature of students at the med school. I have heard that G-town is known for having great instruction in some surgical subspecialties (guessing ortho is one); guess that really helps.
     
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    Im very interested in radiology -both diagnostic and radiation oncology - and cardiology- anyone know how g'town grads place in those fields?
    I'd really like to get a look at the match list
    thanks jdr for the info
     
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    All of the things that you say above are wrong.

    1) The concern of pre-meds/meds shouldn't be what OTHER people think. Do i really care if people don't know CalTech? The fact of the matter is, that CalTech is a top notch instution (more so than Brown, Cornell, etc).

    2)Duke over the past few years has become very very famous. The med schools is as solid as you can get.

    3)Chances are that people will think that G-town med is better than WashU med because they don't know the name. However one has to be a great tool to turn down a great school that is not as famous, just so they can impress people OUTSIDE of medicine in the future.
     
  50. chameleonknight

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    Don't know about G-town, but Tulane places a lot of people in Diag. Rads.
     
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    Hey guys. I will be attending Georgetown med next year. I went to Gtown for undergrad and grad. I have been at Gtown for the past 8 years. Georgetown Med is nationally known for producing great clinicians. My friend is a current M4 going through the match process right now and she told me that residence programs really like Gtown and that she feels like she is being "recruited" by many programs. The main reason for this is that fourth year training at Gtown is like an internship. They treat you like an intern so when you get to your residence program you can "hit the ground running". Also, she says that the residents at Gtown are great. The fact that Georgetown has had some financial problems does not influence the fact that Gtown is known for producing well prepared clinicians. If anyone has any questions pm me!
     

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