Anyone know of DO students transfering to MD schools?

[Friendly]

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HEy,

So I got into both MD and DO schools. I am at a DO school but for a number of reasons (including financial and geography) I will be applying to transfer back to my state school (LSU) between 2nd and 3rd year. I really like osteopathic medicine but have to do what is best for me. My question is, how common is this? Because you can't transfer from an MD school into a DO school, I know that for sure because we learn everything an MD does +++more.

Know anyone?

Two D.O. students transferred into my school after MSII. You interviewed at Albany and LSU if memory serves and were dead-set on allopathic, even posting how sad you were that it didn't work out with the allopathic schools. You will learn the same material where you are. I would just focus on doing well in med school and on Step 1, but good luck if you want to try the transfer.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Someone bought into the DO propaganda. DO = MD plus more? Yeah right.

Yes, plus more as in, same classroom stuff, PLUS OMM.

I agree. I can't take it when they say that crap. I am not a snob, and would have gone to DO if that was my only option, but osteopathic school is not as competitive or as well-regarded. Thst's just the facts. I don't appreciate it when they imply their degree is superior in some way. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS LUDICROUS.

The implication wasn't superiority, it was literally 'same classroom stuff to learn, plus OMM'. The OP never mentioned better or worse, superior or inferior.

a classmate of mine transferred to BU after M1 b/c of significant family issues

That's weird - I called BU to ask about transferring & they said they don't take any transfers (which seemed weird to me anyway).

 

[JonnyG]

That's weird - I called BU to ask about transferring & they said they don't take any transfers (which seemed weird to me anyway).

He may have been talking about the student in our class who transfered into georgetown becaus eof family issues.

 

[Northerner]

Two D.O. students transferred into my school after MSII. You interviewed at Albany and LSU if memory serves and were dead-set on allopathic, even posting how sad you were that it didn't work out with the allopathic schools. You will learn the same material where you are. I would just focus on doing well in med school and on Step 1, but good luck if you want to try the transfer.

So let me get this straight - the OP made a point of mentioning at the very start of his post that he "got into both MD and DO"....you're saying he didn't?

 

[Law2Doc]

The implication wasn't superiority, it was literally 'same classroom stuff to learn, plus OMM'. The OP never mentioned better or worse, superior or inferior.

Not to belabor this argument, but I think you are not taking the conventional read of the " because we learn everything an MD does +++more. " language. 🙄

 

[1_Accept_Away]

I often hear of these "family reasons" for getting transfers, even where the school doesn't accept transfers. I'm wondering what this means? Is it a spouse/significant other who transferred for job? A baby? Or a family member with cancer? I've heard schools have created openings for transfers for humanitarian reasons, as well.

 

[Orthodoc40]

Not to belabor this argument, but I think you are not taking the conventional read of the " because we learn everything an MD does +++more. " language. 🙄

Yes, I think you are right! I'm not! 😀

 

[Pinkertinkle]

The implication wasn't superiority, it was literally 'same classroom stuff to learn, plus OMM'. The OP never mentioned better or worse, superior or inferior.

The OP's just saying his penis is the same size as yours, plus more, he never mentioned better or worse, superior or inferior.

 

[Orthodoc40]

The OP's just saying his penis is the same size as yours, plus more, he never mentioned better or worse, superior or inferior.

Look, I didn't read anything offensive in the OP's statement because I know that the DO curriculum IS the same as the MD curriculum + they learn OMM.
It's a matter of fact. That's how I read it. People that took offense to the OP's comment seem to be offended because they can't believe a DO student would have the nerve to state they have that additional component in their curriculum, "as if that makes them superior". No, it's just a fact that they also have to learn OMM. Something many never end up using once they get into residency alongside their MD colleagues.

 

[Northerner]

Look, I didn't read anything offensive in the OP's statement because I know that the DO curriculum IS the same as the MD curriculum + they learn OMM.
It's a matter of fact. That's how I read it. People that took offense to the OP's comment seem to be offended because they can't believe a DO student would have the nerve to state they have that additional component in their curriculum, "as if that makes them superior". No, it's just a fact that they also have to learn OMM. Something many never end up using once they get into residency alongside their MD colleagues.

It's just misleading.

I could say I learn more than a DO because I DON'T take OMM, if you'd like and be just as accurate. Lawdy earlier pointed to this fact. You can argue it was an innocuous statement all you want, but keep in mind that the first sentence he made in that post was an obviously defensive move "I got into both MD and DO..." and the last sentence was felt as offensive and inflammatory by several people "we learn everything an MD does +++more" (three plusses, by the way).

Fine, let's do the math just to illustrate. MD's learn the same thing DO's learn, but we don't spend 5 extra hours per week in the classroom learning a controversial treatment modality practitioners don't use, and don't spend time outside of the classroom practicing this modality, and don't spend time outside of the classroom studying this modality. Therefore, we have more time to focus on the rest of the stuff that's being neglected during that time (neglected material which DO students claim is identical, which enables their equivalent practice rights). All that extra study time may be a contributing factor to the higher scores on Step I from MD students (DO students in general don't seem to believe the disparity is because a different caliber of students populate DO schools rather than MD schools). Step I is pretty much the only objective standardized test we have that measures understanding of the "identical" coursework of the first two years of medical school no matter who you are and where you go to school.

Let me take the time to clarify at this point that I believe DO and MD are equivalent, none is "better" than the other. I do NOT say or think I learn more than a DO because I don't have OMM as part of my education. But we MD students will defend our education every time someone attacks it in a thinly-veiled attempt to bolster how their own education is perceived, however.

 

[Friendly]

S...you're saying he didn't?

She

 

[63768]

MD's learn the same thing DO's learn, but we don't spend 5 extra hours per week in the classroom learning a controversial treatment modality practitioners don't use, and don't spend time outside of the classroom practicing this modality, and don't spend time outside of the classroom studying this modality.

i don't know about at other schools but at TCOM, the only controversial aspect of OMM is cranial therapy.

to be honest, i used to be the skeptic in the class, resentful of the fact that i wasn't accepted to an MD school. after my first OMM class yesterday, i can see the difference btwn the two. as you said, neither is better, but to me, i can see the value of the DO philosophy (whatever that may be).

 

[Typical]

i don't know about at other schools but at TCOM, the only controversial aspect of OMM is cranial therapy.

to be honest, i used to be the skeptic in the class, resentful of the fact that i wasn't accepted to an MD school. after my first OMM class yesterday, i can see the difference btwn the two. as you said, neither is better, but to me, i can see the value of the DO philosophy (whatever that may be).

so, Father Still convinced you yesterday after only one hour class that's nice; some of us have to spend years in the lab to convince the scientific commnity for a scientific discovery or treatment modality.
By the way try not to get to scientifically curious during this class for the next two years because you'll get too frustrated!

 

[Dr JPH]

controversial treatment modality

Try a literature search.

Afterall, you have 5 extra hours per week.

 

[Northerner]

Try a literature search.

Afterall, you have 5 extra hours per week.

Cute. I hope you also noticed in the time you took to "read" my posts that I was trying to promote the "MD=DO" stance...

But Jesus, you're really going to throw your weight behind the scientific validity of OMM? Like a good puppet, I did a little Pubmed search and found a plethora of reference to the controversial nature of OMM/OMT. I never said it wasn't a legitimate pursuit, I said it was controversial and not widely practiced even within the osteopath practitioners. I think that's correct.

 

[Dr JPH]

Jesus, you're really going to throw your weight behind the scientific validity of OMM?

I've done some research myself. I know what the literature says and I know what it doesnt say.

There is a good amount of literature from Germany, Finland and Australia (where manual therapy is extraordinarily popular) that show great results with certain OMM and PT modalities.

Am I saying that its all valid? Absolutely not. There is a lot of things that I learned concerning OMM that I dont buy into.

But you cant refute the physiologic impact and the resultant physical impact, and potential impact on healing.

I dont know why in this world of evidence based medicine that people are so quick to switch from Heparin to Lovenox, give Lipitor over Crestor and change their practice modalities permanently...all based on research and literature...but fail to recognize literature and science that says something against their own belief. It baffles me to be quite honest.

If thats the stand people take then it would seem NO research is valid...if people are going to keep their preconceived notions and ideas without opening their minds for further study then whats the point of reading journals?

If you have read the manual medicine journals and read the articles (NOT the anecdotal case studies or opinions) then why, even with those results, are you refuting the efficacy of this treatment?

If I designed a study today that showed Prilosec to be superior to Protonix, people would be switching to Pilosec, right?

But I do a study that demonstrates that a particular OMM technique is superior to NSAIDs & whirlpool for adhesive capsulitis and Im considered a quack.

And my final point is that people love to make the following comments about OMM:

"Unproven therapy"
"No research"
"Lack of evidence"

Well, then what are the articles that Im reading all about?

Just because you dont read it in JAMA or NEJM doesnt mean its not valid science.

 

[Dr JPH]

Cute. I hope you also noticed in the time you took to "read" my posts that I was trying to promote the "MD=DO" stance...

But Jesus, you're really going to throw your weight behind the scientific validity of OMM? Like a good puppet, I did a little Pubmed search and found a plethora of reference to the controversial nature of OMM/OMT. I never said it wasn't a legitimate pursuit, I said it was controversial and not widely practiced even within the osteopath practitioners. I think that's correct.

Lets see this "plethora" of which you speal.

Controversial? Absolutely it is. Why? Because its not mainstream.

Not widely practiced? You are correct. Why? Lack of skill to perform the techniques, lack of knowledge regarding billing for treatment, perceived lack of time to treat patients...I can go on.

Again, just because something is not "Standard of care" does not make it wrong or ineffective.

Im just presenting the opposite argument.

 

[Law2Doc]

Just because you dont read it in JAMA or NEJM doesnt mean its not valid science.

Well, those are the allo "trade journals". If it's not in there, it hasn't risen to the level that necessitates attention. That doesn't mean it's not valid, but it hasn't hit the allo radar -- hasn't been served up as important to know by the industry.

 

[Orthodoc40]

It's just misleading.

You can argue it was an innocuous statement all you want, but keep in mind that the first sentence he made in that post was an obviously defensive move "I got into both MD and DO..." and the last sentence was felt as offensive and inflammatory by several people "we learn everything an MD does +++more" (three plusses, by the way).

Fair enough. It didn't bother me, but I see what you're saying & why it could bother someone.

 

[Northerner]

Lets see this "plethora" of which you speal.

Controversial? Absolutely it is. Why? Because its not mainstream.

Not widely practiced? You are correct. Why? Lack of skill to perform the techniques, lack of knowledge regarding billing for treatment, perceived lack of time to treat patients...I can go on.

Again, just because something is not "Standard of care" does not make it wrong or ineffective.

Im just presenting the opposite argument.

Argue what you feel is right, but we're way off topic.

The summary point on my end is that MD=DO. The DO's had to fight hard for that acceptance in the medical community, and some people still don't accept it. I do. However, if someone starts to imply or or support or flatly state that DO=MD +++more, you're now overstepping and are going to hear about it. The validity of OMT has very little to do with this issue, but if you'd like to debate it start another belabored thread about it.

 

[FaatShiit]

Argue what you feel is right, but we're way off topic.

The summary point on my end is that MD=DO. The DO's had to fight hard for that acceptance in the medical community, and some people still don't accept it. I do. However, if someone starts to imply or or support or flatly state that DO=MD +++more, you're now overstepping and are going to hear about it. The validity of OMT has very little to do with this issue, but if you'd like to debate it start another belabored thread about it.

Is it OMT or OMM that DO schools teach? Anyway I don't really care and that's why I didn't even bother Googling it. The fact is I have never heard of any practicing DO use the "force" as most MDs like to call it. So the few hours a week on OMX practice will probably make DO = --MD

btw, if patients want OMX they can always go see a chiropractor.

 

[Shinken]

Well, those are the allo "trade journals". If it's not in there, it hasn't risen to the level that necessitates attention. That doesn't mean it's not valid, but it hasn't hit the allo radar -- hasn't been served up as important to know by the industry.

Care to learn some OMM to help your pediatric patients with otitis media, or perhaps help your adult patients with back pain recover with less use of medications and PT?

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/341/19/1426

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/co...ic&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

 

[Doc2007]

Is it OMT or OMM that DO schools teach? Anyway I don't really care and that's why I didn't even bother Googling it. The fact is I have never heard of any practicing DO use the "force" as most MDs like to call it. So the few hours a week on OMX practice will probably make DO = --MD

btw, if patients want OMX they can always go see a chiropractor.

Or you can just have your DO doc do OMM and patient doesn't have to take another appointment for chiropractor. This will save him time and money.

 

[Law2Doc]

Care to learn some OMM to help your pediatric patients with otitis media, or perhaps help your adult patients with back pain recover with less use of medications and PT?

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/341/19/1426

Talk to JPHazelton -- he's the one who said it wasn't in the NEJM. 🙂

 

[Dr JPH]

Well, those are the allo "trade journals". If it's not in there, it hasn't risen to the level that necessitates attention. That doesn't mean it's not valid, but it hasn't hit the allo radar -- hasn't been served up as important to know by the industry.

JAMA and NEJM arent the end-all-be-all.

In fact, I dont even read them unless I have to for a presentation.

I stick to the surgical literature.

 

[Dr JPH]

Is it OMT or OMM that DO schools teach? Anyway I don't really care and that's why I didn't even bother Googling it. The fact is I have never heard of any practicing DO use the "force" as most MDs like to call it. So the few hours a week on OMX practice will probably make DO = --MD

"Force"?

Have you ever sent a patient to PT or to a physiatrist? How is manual medicine in the form of OMT any different than that? If you dont even know what it is, then how can you criticize it?

I think many ignorants lump in wacky things like "craniosacral" in with the rest of OMT and manual medicine.

Most DOs, even those like myself who understand and appreciate the value of OMT, dont have any faith in the "cranial" nonsense.

btw, if patients want OMX they can always go see a chiropractor.

Wouldnt it be great to have your family physician be able to treat the same aches and pains...instead of spending the time and money to go see a Chiro?

Besides, the chiro education is limited in the body areas they treat...usualyl focused around spinal manipulation. What about adhesive capsulitis, thoracic outlet syndrome, piriformis syndrome, carpal tunnel and other non spinal related complaints?

Simply grouping OMT with the manipulations chiropractors do shows a lack of understanding to what OMT is...yet you seem to know enough to call it "the force".

And most DOs also use the term "the force" when describing cranial treatments...which as I said above, have no place being included in with the great majority of osteopathic manual therapy.

 

[Blade28]

"Wouldnt it be great to have your family physician be able to treat the same aches and pains...instead of spending the time and money to go see a Chiro?

YES! 👍

 

[dilated]

So wait, the DOs learn everything MDs do AND MORE?

But we have class from 9-5 M-F learning medicine. So in order to learn what we do and more...

DOs have to come in for class on Saturdays? That really sucks for you guys. 🙁

😛

 

[Dr JPH]

So wait, the DOs learn everything MDs do AND MORE?

But we have class from 9-5 M-F learning medicine. So in order to learn what we do and more...

DOs have to come in for class on Saturdays? That really sucks for you guys. 🙁

😛

8a-5p most days with 1st year anatomy lab going to 6pm at times

As I said above, the curriculum at my school matched up evenly with friends who were at U Buffalo, Temple and UCONN. Only difference was the additional OMT courses & labs.

I dont know why its so hard to believe.

No one on here has taken my suggestion and posted their curriculum for comparison. Maybe they just dont want to admit that we second rate docs actually do have the same classes. 😛

 

[pguin]

8a-5p most days with 1st year anatomy lab going to 6pm at times

As I said above, the curriculum at my school matched up evenly with friends who were at U Buffalo, Temple and UCONN. Only difference was the additional OMT courses & labs.

I dont know why its so hard to believe.

No one on here has taken my suggestion and posted their curriculum for comparison. Maybe they just dont want to admit that we second rate docs actually do have the same classes. 😛

What in the world does the class schedules have to do with anything. Hell, with most schools they have an extremely low attendance rate anyways. Over the past interview cycle I interviewed at DO and MD schools (accepted by 6 DO schools and 1 MD) and they all basically had the exact same class schedule with simply small differences from school to school. I was honestly going to choose a DO school because my father is a chiropractor and I do believe that OMM/chiropractic has definite medical value. The problem is after shadowing and talking to all the DO's in my city - they ALL sent their patients to chiropractors for manipulation and rarely performed it themselves. The reason is that chiropractors do it every single day over and over and over again with nothing else so they are much much much better at it. Whether you believe that OMM is effective is up to you but when it comes down to it very few DO's perform it regularly (at least in my city) and those who do it sporadically are much more awkward and ineffective then a chiropractor (not counting the large numbers of quack chiropractors who unfortunately practice today).

When I say this I don't mean any of this as an insult to DO's or MD's. When they graduate and are licensed they are both just as qualified as each other!! MD's need to let go of the idea that DO's are less qualified and DO's need to let go of the idea that DO's have learned more. They are all doctors and they are all well trained at their respective schools.

 

[veenut]

8a-5p most days with 1st year anatomy lab going to 6pm at times

As I said above, the curriculum at my school matched up evenly with friends who were at U Buffalo, Temple and UCONN. Only difference was the additional OMT courses & labs.

I dont know why its so hard to believe.

No one on here has taken my suggestion and posted their curriculum for comparison. Maybe they just dont want to admit that we second rate docs actually do have the same classes. 😛

Why the hell would you have class from 8-5? What a waste.

 

[mynamewastaken]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents as a subjective onlooker. My perspective on this debate it is more an applicant/student issue than a "doctor" issue. There is no evidence that DO's are inferior doctors. I think every allo student would agree that the quality and quantity of the training is comparable. In fact, the variation in curricula between all allo schools is probably more than the variation between curricula between osteo and allo school due to shear number of allo schools. Furthermore, DO's are far less represented but they do hold positions of authority and prestige around the country. My point here really is that this flame war really only exists between applicants, students, and maybe residents to an extent. When we are all practicing someday as licensed, seasoned physicians all this nonsense will come out in the wash. The stats on DO acceptances vs. allo exist, but don't tell a story that deters me from ever seeing a DO. There are plenty of people who 1) have been rejected from allo schools with "better" stats than their accepted counterparts (just spend 5 min on SDN) as well as 2) people who choose DO over MD, and 3) people who go DO because that allo wait-list didn't come through. Clearly there is a method to the admission madness, but the more I go through this process the more I see the element of some luck and somewhat arbitrary decision making. my 2 cents...maybe it matters to everyone now, but if this still matters in 10 years find a hobby.

 

[Typical]

guys, guys, why arguing the matter so much.......it's simple; DO students just pay tuition, and are just kicking at their institutions; they learn nothing, and waste time on massaging each other, and then they tell everyone that they are actually studying medicine. It's so nice of the genuine, sincere, and considerate allopath students that value patient-care and improving US healthcare so much that they repeatedly remind the DO students that they are inferior, and what they are doing has no values in the healthcare delivery and helping those sick patients under their care.
Look at the site below, the chief resident at UC Davis neurological surgery program; as you may know they select one student every year, and that year this program decided to take an "inferior medical student" probably with a low MCAT score for their program; this probably happened while they had to reject some very qualified "superior medical students" from other allopathic institution.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/neurosurg/our_team/team_residents.html

I can certainly come up with more examples like the above.

Dear allopath students, stop wasting your time calculating how many hours DOs spend in class rooms and dissecting their curriculum and course work, and instead look at the bigger picture and see what and how they contribute to healthcare and patients under their care. Some of us eventually need to put the pre-med era of admiring the beauty of our MD title behind us, and see what we all can do as a team to contribute to our ultimate goal. If your ultimate goal is to get your MD to prove the world that you’re the smartest, genius person with the best training than anyone in the world, please go ahead and put your degree front of you and start preying to it everyday. But please stop criticizing and doubting those who are here for the actual purpose of what medicine can offer to those suffering patients.

And dear osteopathic students please stop defending yourself, and trying to prove the world your education is equal to the MD students. DOs have already proven that they are fully practicing physicians with all competence in every aspects of medicine. Proving that you are real doctors to few MD students on SDN will not get you anything, but when you are practicing medicine, making as much income, having as much respect, helping as many patients, and contributing to healthecare as much, you will have your satisfaction without trying to prove others that your efforts and education is in fact valuable.

I wish so many medical students here on SDN wasting time to prove the worthiness of their degree to each other could actually discuss matters that could contribute more to our purpose as future physicians. I hope none of our patients ever get to read these forums!

 

[Law2Doc]

No one on here has taken my suggestion and posted their curriculum for comparison. Maybe they just dont want to admit that we second rate docs actually do have the same classes. 😛

I think several of us have made the point that the sum of in class PLUS out of class hours is what matters in med school. Learning doesn't stop at the lecture hall door. Heck some folks don't even go to lecture. So unless you are suggesting DOs sleep less or have more hours in the day (beyond the usual maximum of 24), a comparison of your in class curriculum is moot. You spend more hours (combined in and out of class) on X while we spend it on Y. At the end it is the same number of hours, the same 4 years of med school. Your course curriculum can read as "identical to allo" plus OMM, but the sum of hours you spend on OMM in and outside of class necessarilly comes from time you could otherwise be spending on the stuff that matches the allo curriculum. If I spent 5-10 hours less on my coursework a week (in favor of something else), I would consider it a not insignificant change of focus.

Bottom line -- you spend 4 years, we spend 4 years, let's leave it at that.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

guys, guys, why arguing the matter so much.......it's simple; DO students just pay tuition, and are just kicking at their institutions; they learn nothing, and waste time on massaging each other, and then they tell everyone that they are actually studying medicine. It's so nice of the genuine, sincere, and considerate allopath students that value patient-care and improving US healthcare so much that they repeatedly remind the DO students that they are inferior, and what they are doing has no values in the healthcare delivery and helping those sick patients under their care.
Look at the site below, the chief resident at UC Davis neurological surgery program; as you may know they select one student every year, and that year this program decided to take an "inferior medical student" probably with a low MCAT score for their program; this probably happened while they had to reject some very qualified "superior medical students" from other allopathic institution.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/neurosurg/our_team/team_residents.html

I can certainly come up with more examples like the above.

Dear allopath students, stop wasting your time calculating how many hours DOs spend in class rooms and dissecting their curriculum and course work, and instead look at the bigger picture and see what and how they contribute to healthcare and patients under their care. Some of us eventually need to put the pre-med era of admiring the beauty of our MD title behind us, and see what we all can do as a team to contribute to our ultimate goal. If your ultimate goal is to get your MD to prove the world that you’re the smartest, genius person with the best training than anyone in the world, please go ahead and put your degree front of you and start preying to it everyday. But please stop criticizing and doubting those who are here for the actual purpose of what medicine can offer to those suffering patients.

And dear osteopathic students please stop defending yourself, and trying to prove the world your education is equal to the MD students. DOs have already proven that they are fully practicing physicians with all competence in every aspects of medicine. Proving that you are real doctors to few MD students on SDN will not get you anything, but when you are practicing medicine, making as much income, having as much respect, helping as many patients, and contributing to healthecare as much, you will have your satisfaction without trying to prove others that your efforts and education is in fact valuable.

I wish so many medical students here on SDN wasting time to prove the worthiness of their degree to each other could actually discuss matters that could contribute more to our purpose as future physicians. I hope none of our patients ever get to read these forums!

You just spent your first paragraph contradicting your own advice

 

[Typical]

You just spent your first paragraph contradicting your own advice

I was hoping that my tone of sarcasim is obvious; but, for clarification, I was being sarcastic

 

[Pinkertinkle]

I was hoping that my tone of sarcasim is obvious; but, for clarification, I was being sarcastic

You sound like you're defending osteopathic education to me.

 

[njbmd]

HEy,

So I got into both MD and DO schools. I am at a DO school but for a number of reasons (including financial and geography) I will be applying to transfer back to my state school (LSU) between 2nd and 3rd year. I really like osteopathic medicine but have to do what is best for me. My question is, how common is this? Because you can't transfer from an MD school into a DO school, I know that for sure because we learn everything an MD does +++more.

Know anyone?

Just a refresher for everyone, the above is the OPs question. If you want to respond to this question (not debate the merits of allopathic versus osteopathic medical school curriculums etc) then feel free to post your opinion or answer to the OPs question. If you want to debate something else, feel free to start another thread as opposed to hijacking this one.

 

[Dr JPH]

Bottom line -- you spend 4 years, we spend 4 years, let's leave it at that.

👍

 

[Tired]

Bottom line -- you spend 4 years, we spend 4 years . . .

And Naturopaths spend 4 years, proving that alternative medicine is better than Western medicine.

 

[Dr JPH]

And Naturopaths spend 4 years, proving that alternative medicine is better than Western medicine.

Naturopaths cant sit for the USMLE or licensing boards. Big difference.

 

[beastmaster]

Your course curriculum can read as "identical to allo" plus OMM, but the sum of hours you spend on OMM in and outside of class necessarilly comes from time you could otherwise be spending on the stuff that matches the allo curriculum. If I spent 5-10 hours less on my coursework a week (in favor of something else), I would consider it a not insignificant change of focus.

You've repeated this bullcrap over 1000 times on this forum already, and you still don't realize that many allopathic curriculums in the US are very wasteful (professors obsessing over kreb's cycles and their cell bio pet research projects). Each curriculum has its advantages and disadvantes. Ultimately the majority of the first two years is a complete waste anyway. After rocking the boards (and your allo boards) I've forgotten most of it. But at the end of the day, I know how to do a few cool things with my hands (OMM) which I will never forget.

I think that the time you spend on SDN also necessarily subtracts from your curriculum. And you spend way too much time. I can click on any random thread in this forum and find your name knee deep in some ridiculous arguments. Maybe some people here need to delete this website from their bookmarks and give this sh1t a rest.

 

[Northerner]

You've repeated this bullcrap over 1000 times on this forum already, and you still don't realize that many allopathic curriculums in the US are very wasteful (professors obsessing over kreb's cycles and their cell bio pet research projects). Each curriculum has its advantages and disadvantes. Ultimately the majority of the first two years is a complete waste anyway. After rocking the boards (and your allo boards) I've forgotten most of it. But at the end of the day, I know how to do a few cool things with my hands (OMM) which I will never forget.

I think that the time you spend on SDN also necessarily subtracts from your curriculum. And you spend way too much time. I can click on any random thread in this forum and find your name knee deep in some ridiculous arguments. Maybe some people here need to delete this website from their bookmarks and give this sh1t a rest.

If you're too dense to notice that Lawdy's post was merely a demonstration that an equally plausible argument that "DO +more = MD" exists to counter the oft referenced "MD +more = DO" perpetuated by DO students and insist on taking it as a stand-alone attack on the DO profession, fine. Interindividual variation between programs is wide-reaching whether you're talking about MD or DO. But when someone says "MD +more = DO", it's obvious that for some reason their ego's gotten away from them and they need to hear the truth: MD = DO.

You should be happy with that.

 

[girlsporty]

And Naturopaths spend 4 years, proving that alternative medicine is better than Western medicine.

"Naturopathic medicine is the practice of assisting in the health of patients through the application of natural remedies. Most naturopaths consider their care complementary, not supplementary, to the care of a traditional medical professional. " - Wikipedia

Although the source is a wiki, the point is the same. Naturopaths do not seek to replace western medicine, so get your facts straight!

 

[njbmd]

Thread off topic and now closing. You can start other threads in this forum (if related to MD student topics) or other forums if not. Closed.