Anyone re-considering tpa after IST-3?

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Hi - I am visiting from the world of EM, where there was plenty of skepticism regarding thrombolysis for acute ischemic stroke prior to IST-3. After this publication, the skepticism is beginning to morph into disbelief in some circles.

I am wondering if any prominent centers or prominent neurologist groups or professional societies are starting to question the current use of tpa?

Are any members in this forum shocked as much as EM folks at the conclusions of IST-3 (especially how the PRIMARY outcome was completely ignored) and the accompanying editorial?

Although my questions show my strong bias, I am not actually trolling or looking for a war. I am honestly asking if folks in the neuro world are starting to re-consider tpa as it is currently used and recommended by folks like the AHA.

Thanks,
HH
 
From my limited experience as a 4th year med-student going into neurology, I think the future will move away from a time window for use of TPA and instead move towards looking at perfusion-diffusion mismatch as a criteria for TPA use. That is if the Stanford/Hopkins/Australian groups can continue to put out data in this regard. I feel the time window is an arbitrary standard set in place that doesn't take into account the stroke pathophysiology of the patient in front of you. Some acute ischemic strokes patients have zero perfusion-diffusion mismatch, so they would have absolutely no benefit from receiving TPA even if they present <3 hrs from stroke onset. They could very well be placed in harms way with an increase for cerebral hemorrhage.

TPA has its place in acute stroke care. I think the job of stroke neurology is to continue to work on which patients offer the best chance of receiving a benefit and which one's might have an increase risk of harm even if they are within the "TPA time window." Obviously use of MRI for each acute stroke has its own issues and complications, not to mention use of resources and the whole "door to TPA" window that we use for measuring how efficient stroke centers are. But something needs to be done imho.
 
Welcome to the world of vascular neurology.
The results of IST3 fall in line with what is already known from multiple clinical trials. While there is skepticism among the ER community, this trial has in many ways solidified what was already known and also highlights the importance of time windows (unlike suggested by the prior post) as well as the practicality of conducting clinical trials with newer agents (desmoteplase, tnk, plasmin &#8230😉. This had become quite evident when people were discussing the results in Lisbon at the European stroke conference where the results were presented this year.
Let me explain &#8211; The trial was designed and done to expand stroke thrombolysis and include pts routinely excluded from acute trials &#8211; like age>80 yrs and also investigate if we can expand the time windows to 6 hrs. The authors (in the results section of the manuscript clearly mention that the benefit was most evident in patients treated within 3 h, but there was insufficient power to examine decay of benefit with time).
Secondly, pts in this trial were treated at much later times &#8211; median time to treatment 4.2 hrs (IQR 3.2-5.2) hrs. Pts in prior trials were treated much earlier. The investigators also mention that &#8216;the proportion of patients with a definitely visible ischaemic lesion (vs only possible or no early ischaemic change) on baseline imaging rose with time'; and all these pts were included in the treatment as well as control groups. Remember that these pts had strokes that were more evolved. It clearly explains that the rates of good functional outcome at 6 months overall were similar in the 2 groups (though pts treated within 3 hrs did well, and we cannot say anything about 3-4.5 hrs from this data, again specified by the authors in the article in Lancet).
This trials has some similarities to the first ECASS done in Europe and published in JAMA in 1995. Pts were treated with TPA vs placebo within 6 hrs and TPA dose was (1.1 mg/kg unlike the FDA approved 0.9 which has been used in all trials since). As I mentioned earlier, some results from IST3 were like ECASS-1 with overall outcomes for benefit similar in TPA and controls. So, overall the IST3 again confirms that the earlier you treat, the better.
What is new though? You can safely use TPA in pts over 80 yrs.

What about adverse events in IST3? Pts in the TPA group bled more in the first 7 days. This was also noticed in the first ECASS trial. The TPA gp had higher mortality till day 7, but till 6 months there were no differences in the 2 groups (since there were more deaths in the non-TPA gp). Again similar to ECASS (1) where pts treated with TPA upto 6 hrs had higher rates of large intracerebral hemorrhages.
In other words safety as well as efficacy with TPA is time dependent.
Implications of IST3
1. TPA is safe in elderly (who were excluded even in ECASS3 at time windows 3-4.5 hrs).
2. TPA is effective in earlier time windows (upto 3 hrs, this trial doesn't have enough data for 3-4.5 hrs, but ECASS-3 does. But do not go beyond 4.5 hrs.
3. Importantly &#8211; we do not have to exclude pts>80 from thrombolytic treatment trials
How do these results influence real life treatments? In the words of Lee Schwamm, ECASS3 resulted in more pts being treated beyond 180 min (say 190 &#8211; 230 min). Prior to ECASS3 many pts (at numerous places) would run out of the 3 hr time window (by few minutes) while in the ER (for many reasons) and would not receive TPA (which could be administered at 200 min). IST3 tells us that push hard and be quick so you can start TPA (in eligible pts) at 270 min (4.5 hrs) and this can also be done safely in pts over 80 yrs. Many clinicians do not treat pts in this age group.
Time windows remain important in acute stroke therapy. Mismatch criteria alone cannot be applied practically and scientifically in many cases due to many reasons (topic for another discussion).
I am looking forward to results from DIAS4 (desmoteplase at upto 9 hrs). This will add more to what we already know.
 
A not serious question does not need to be entertained seriously. IV tPA has been shown to be safe and effective < 3 hours. Using a trial that does not look at the <3 hour question to cast doubt on the use of IV tPA is idiocy. Using subgroup analysis of those who got it <3 hours is fair.

I'd refer to this review for the early period: Hacke, W., G. Donnan, et al. Association of outcome with early stroke treatment: pooled analysis of ATLANTIS, ECASS, and NINDS rt-PA stroke trials. Lancet 2004;363:768-74.
 
Welcome to the world of vascular neurology.
The results of IST3 fall in line with what is already known from multiple clinical trials. While there is skepticism among the ER community, this trial has in many ways solidified what was already known and also highlights the importance of time windows (unlike suggested by the prior post) as well as the practicality of conducting clinical trials with newer agents (desmoteplase, tnk, plasmin …). This had become quite evident when people were discussing the results in Lisbon at the European stroke conference where the results were presented this year.
Let me explain – The trial was designed and done to expand stroke thrombolysis and include pts routinely excluded from acute trials – like age>80 yrs and also investigate if we can expand the time windows to 6 hrs. The authors (in the results section of the manuscript clearly mention that the benefit was most evident in patients treated within 3 h, but there was insufficient power to examine decay of benefit with time).
Secondly, pts in this trial were treated at much later times – median time to treatment 4.2 hrs (IQR 3.2-5.2) hrs. Pts in prior trials were treated much earlier. The investigators also mention that ‘the proportion of patients with a definitely visible ischaemic lesion (vs only possible or no early ischaemic change) on baseline imaging rose with time’; and all these pts were included in the treatment as well as control groups. Remember that these pts had strokes that were more evolved. It clearly explains that the rates of good functional outcome at 6 months overall were similar in the 2 groups (though pts treated within 3 hrs did well, and we cannot say anything about 3-4.5 hrs from this data, again specified by the authors in the article in Lancet).
This trials has some similarities to the first ECASS done in Europe and published in JAMA in 1995. Pts were treated with TPA vs placebo within 6 hrs and TPA dose was (1.1 mg/kg unlike the FDA approved 0.9 which has been used in all trials since). As I mentioned earlier, some results from IST3 were like ECASS-1 with overall outcomes for benefit similar in TPA and controls. So, overall the IST3 again confirms that the earlier you treat, the better.
What is new though? You can safely use TPA in pts over 80 yrs.

What about adverse events in IST3? Pts in the TPA group bled more in the first 7 days. This was also noticed in the first ECASS trial. The TPA gp had higher mortality till day 7, but till 6 months there were no differences in the 2 groups (since there were more deaths in the non-TPA gp). Again similar to ECASS (1) where pts treated with TPA upto 6 hrs had higher rates of large intracerebral hemorrhages.
In other words safety as well as efficacy with TPA is time dependent.
Implications of IST3
1. TPA is safe in elderly (who were excluded even in ECASS3 at time windows 3-4.5 hrs).
2. TPA is effective in earlier time windows (upto 3 hrs, this trial doesn’t have enough data for 3-4.5 hrs, but ECASS-3 does. But do not go beyond 4.5 hrs.
3. Importantly – we do not have to exclude pts>80 from thrombolytic treatment trials
How do these results influence real life treatments? In the words of Lee Schwamm, ECASS3 resulted in more pts being treated beyond 180 min (say 190 – 230 min). Prior to ECASS3 many pts (at numerous places) would run out of the 3 hr time window (by few minutes) while in the ER (for many reasons) and would not receive TPA (which could be administered at 200 min). IST3 tells us that push hard and be quick so you can start TPA (in eligible pts) at 270 min (4.5 hrs) and this can also be done safely in pts over 80 yrs. Many clinicians do not treat pts in this age group.
Time windows remain important in acute stroke therapy. Mismatch criteria alone cannot be applied practically and scientifically in many cases due to many reasons (topic for another discussion).
I am looking forward to results from DIAS4 (desmoteplase at upto 9 hrs). This will add more to what we already know.

Strong, strong response. It is remarkable how much the denial of tPA safety and efficacy has become a "cause celebre" of some members of the EM community. IST3 should do absolutely nothing to dissuade the use of tPA in commonly accepted time windows, and as noted above should only strengthen the argument for its use in older patients out to 4.5 hours. How many millions of dollars are we supposed to spend to repeatedly reaffirm the results of previous trials that some people disagree with or find inconvenient?

It is important for members of this forum to remember that there are many, many academic EM physicians who are active in these trials and are very interested and supportive of acute neurology research and clinical care. These trials couldn't happen without their interest and support.
 
Just wanted to address this in detail. I continue to enjoy great support and camaraderie with the ED folks. No disrespect intended. EM physicians have no doubt contributed significantly to the success of stroke initiatives and what SPOTRIAS and NETT have achieved so far. Stroke networks can run successfully only with collaborative efforts between neurology and EM.
 
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