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From the October 24, 2005 print edition

Anesthesiologists may be losing foothold against nurse anesthetists
Scott Shepard

Doc Holliday, like dentists and surgeons for 5,000 years, controlled patients with a simple anesthetic: whiskey. Archaeological records indicate that as far back as the Aztecs and Sumerians, alcohol was part of surgical medicine.

Even though ether was invented in 13th century Spain, it remained a party drug for 500 years until 1842, when Crawford Long used the laughing gas to put out a patient long enough to remove two neck tumors, working in Jefferson, Ga.

Since then, any number of newer chemicals have been developed for more reliable, predictable sedation. And that's sparked one of the harshest turf battles in medicine.

The question is: have anesthesiologists advanced their science so far that they are no longer needed? Can it now be turned over to an army of Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists, who will work for about a quarter the salary?

"It's a political turf battle, and it's all about money," says CRNA Brent Earwood, who practices with West Tennessee Anesthesia in Jackson, Tenn. "State law has nothing that requires physician supervision of CRNAs; legally, I could go into any hospital and practice independently under the surgeon's license."

With nine nurse anesthetists covering 14 rural hospitals, West Tennessee Anesthesia is the nation's largest CRNA practice. Nearly 1,500 mostly-rural hospitals are served exclusively by nurse anesthetists. Since only a physician can prescribe a drug, the nurses must practice under the auspices of the surgeon. In normal life the surgeon has plenty to do with cutting and sewing and leaves the anesthesia decisions to the nurse.

Physician anesthesiologists tend to gather in large urban areas, but even then most the anesthesia is administered by a CRNA. Medicare rules allow an anesthesiologist to supervise up to four nurse anesthetists at a time.

Most anesthesiologists try to be in the operating room as the patient goes under, and when they awaken. They spend their time moving back and forth between operating rooms monitoring patients.

"There's more to anesthesia than putting someone to sleep; there's a medical aspect," says anesthesiologist Gary Kimzey with Medical Anesthesia Group. "An orthopedic surgeon is great at fixing a broken hip, but he's focussed on the hip and not thinking about the other medical aspects."

His group has 35 physicians and 36 CRNAs covering Methodist hospitals, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and several surgery centers.

Kimzey conducts a medical history on his patients, and works with hospitalist physicians to manage any underlying conditions, such as congestive heart failure or hypertension. Then he plans the best anesthesia regimen for that patient.

It's that work that makes the nurse anesthetist effective, he says. As the only other doctor in the room, he's also prepared to step in and assist the surgeon if something goes awry.

"It used to be that one-in-50,000 people would have a problem in surgery, and now it's one-in-500,000," Kimzey says. "Part of that difference is the research and developments by anesthesiologists."

The idea that anesthesiologists aren't needed was bolstered in the Southeast 18 months ago when the University of Tennessee Health Science Center learned its residency program accreditation was under probation -- one of several steps reflecting a lack of enrollment. Meanwhile, the CRNA program at the UT College of Nursing continues to turn out nurse anesthetists. Earwood's group could hire another 10 tomorrow, the demand is so high.

The situation is more simple, Kimzey believes. Anesthesiologists at a medical university expect to do further research into better drugs and monitoring devices. Starved for cash and burdened with TennCare reimbursement rates, doctors at UT are expected to turn patients and generate revenue.

It's not an environment good for recruiting.

Earwood acknowledges the research contribution of anesthesiologists, and has seen dramatic changes since he began practicing in 1991. He also notes that anesthesia is the only medical field that doesn't diagnose and treat, but only provides ongoing care, which is what nurses do best.

"Anesthesia is 50 times safer than it was just 20 years ago," Earwood says. "The question is when do you treat a patient in a rural or an urban hospital. He may need more interventional care than we could provide in Humboldt after the surgery. The way to keep out of trouble is to know your limits."
 
davvid2700 said:
Memphis Business Journal



From the October 24, 2005 print edition

Anesthesiologists may be losing foothold against nurse anesthetists
Scott Shepard

Doc Holliday, like dentists and surgeons for 5,000 years, controlled patients with a simple anesthetic: whiskey. Archaeological records indicate that as far back as the Aztecs and Sumerians, alcohol was part of surgical medicine.

Even though ether was invented in 13th century Spain, it remained a party drug for 500 years until 1842, when Crawford Long used the laughing gas to put out a patient long enough to remove two neck tumors, working in Jefferson, Ga.

Since then, any number of newer chemicals have been developed for more reliable, predictable sedation. And that's sparked one of the harshest turf battles in medicine.

The question is: have anesthesiologists advanced their science so far that they are no longer needed? Can it now be turned over to an army of Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists, who will work for about a quarter the salary?

"It's a political turf battle, and it's all about money," says CRNA Brent Earwood, who practices with West Tennessee Anesthesia in Jackson, Tenn. "State law has nothing that requires physician supervision of CRNAs; legally, I could go into any hospital and practice independently under the surgeon's license."

With nine nurse anesthetists covering 14 rural hospitals, West Tennessee Anesthesia is the nation's largest CRNA practice. Nearly 1,500 mostly-rural hospitals are served exclusively by nurse anesthetists. Since only a physician can prescribe a drug, the nurses must practice under the auspices of the surgeon. In normal life the surgeon has plenty to do with cutting and sewing and leaves the anesthesia decisions to the nurse.

Physician anesthesiologists tend to gather in large urban areas, but even then most the anesthesia is administered by a CRNA. Medicare rules allow an anesthesiologist to supervise up to four nurse anesthetists at a time.

Most anesthesiologists try to be in the operating room as the patient goes under, and when they awaken. They spend their time moving back and forth between operating rooms monitoring patients.

"There's more to anesthesia than putting someone to sleep; there's a medical aspect," says anesthesiologist Gary Kimzey with Medical Anesthesia Group. "An orthopedic surgeon is great at fixing a broken hip, but he's focussed on the hip and not thinking about the other medical aspects."

His group has 35 physicians and 36 CRNAs covering Methodist hospitals, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and several surgery centers.

Kimzey conducts a medical history on his patients, and works with hospitalist physicians to manage any underlying conditions, such as congestive heart failure or hypertension. Then he plans the best anesthesia regimen for that patient.

It's that work that makes the nurse anesthetist effective, he says. As the only other doctor in the room, he's also prepared to step in and assist the surgeon if something goes awry.

"It used to be that one-in-50,000 people would have a problem in surgery, and now it's one-in-500,000," Kimzey says. "Part of that difference is the research and developments by anesthesiologists."

The idea that anesthesiologists aren't needed was bolstered in the Southeast 18 months ago when the University of Tennessee Health Science Center learned its residency program accreditation was under probation -- one of several steps reflecting a lack of enrollment. Meanwhile, the CRNA program at the UT College of Nursing continues to turn out nurse anesthetists. Earwood's group could hire another 10 tomorrow, the demand is so high.

The situation is more simple, Kimzey believes. Anesthesiologists at a medical university expect to do further research into better drugs and monitoring devices. Starved for cash and burdened with TennCare reimbursement rates, doctors at UT are expected to turn patients and generate revenue.

It's not an environment good for recruiting.

He also notes that anesthesia is the only medical field that doesn't diagnose and treat,

So what do you call it when an anesthesiologist in the SICU, pain clinic, etc diagnoses and treats a problem? nursing?
 
I would for sure have to disagree with the statement that Anesthesiologists do not "diagnose and Treat". I witness it everyday.
 
Ya gotta wonder who their "source" was for this article.

Of course they state that they don't require physician supervision, and then right after that talk about working under the "surgeon's license". Quite a piece of propaganda, don't ya think?

Oh, and I love the "biggest CRNA practice in the country" - with only 9 CRNA's. Wow, that big... 😴
 
I like the 'lack of enrollment' issue on the residency program. Ha! Programs are filled with great applicants. The academic world is a mess because of reimbursement and faculty retention, not because of lack of interest by the best and brightest medical students around.

As for not diagnosing and treating I think that goes without saying. I ordered an echo last week on a preop eval for the first time as a CA-1. Made me feel kind of doctorly. Not that nurses can't do the same thing...the lines are blurred now. What's the practice of medicine? What's not? Since CRNA's are advanced practice nurses are they practicing medicine any differently than the NP that I see when I go to my FP's office? He's practicing medicine, at least when he writes me a prescription for an antibiotic after diagnosing acute sinusitis.
 
This article does not support its argument well that MD's are losing footholds with CRNA's. Actually, where is his argument??? Remember folks, this article is talking about rural Tenn, where surgeons have no choice but to incur higher risk with a CRNA practicing independently b/c there is no anesthesiologist who want to live there. So if CRNA screwed up during a case and don't know what to do, who will be the sweatiest guy in the room? Right, the surgeon. The CRNA is practicing "under the surgeon's license." Those are key words... I find it hard to believe that a CRNA will ever be able to practice independently in bigger cities where there are plenty of anesthesiologists. All it takes is one big lawsuit with a big verdict.
 
jc237 said:
This article does not support its argument well that MD's are losing footholds with CRNA's. Actually, where is his argument??? Remember folks, this article is talking about rural Tenn, where surgeons have no choice but to incur higher risk with a CRNA practicing independently b/c there is no anesthesiologist who want to live there. So if CRNA screwed up during a case and don't know what to do, who will be the sweatiest guy in the room? Right, the surgeon. The CRNA is practicing "under the surgeon's license." Those are key words... I find it hard to believe that a CRNA will ever be able to practice independently in bigger cities where there are plenty of anesthesiologists. All it takes is one big lawsuit with a big verdict.

It is just a matter of time.
 
We do diagnose and treat all the time..

Hyper tension hypotension hypercarbia, hyperpyrexia, anemia, anxiety etc etc.. we just dont treat cancer, bowel obstruction, or anything chronic.. except if you are a pain specialist..

This article underscores how powerful the crna lobby is. How can government give independent practice righths to advanced practice nurses when they are making more hoops for doctors to jump through to maintain acceptable standards. such as maintennce of certification, board certification, cme etc . .. Its really like talking out of both sides of your mouth. If i was a senior medical student or a anesthesia resident I would be seriously questioning these things. But nobody can give you a real answer. Its just the way it is.
 
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nitecap said:
I wouldn't get to Fired up about this article. Obviously it comes out of podunct Tenn. Things are different thoughout the country depending on provider availabilty and demographics. There are many CRNA only groups that actually employ MD's for a huge salary in South Texas. And the groups are way large than 9 CRNA's.

And I doubt the governement is making it harder for anesthesiologists. Doubt the government is slapping you guys with extra CME, and tougher cert. requirments. Sounds like its your own profession hitting you with these extra burdens to attempt to strengthn the profession maybe. Anyways, we all know that this article is not representative of everywhere, though it is likely it represents much of rural America. Thats just how it is, the rural population shouldnt be denied providers just because the market their is not lucrative enough for a MD. Im completly fine with practicing in the rural market and making 200K plus, you guys can have the urban areas and make your share too. Sounds great to me.

nitecap wrote: And I doubt the governement is making it harder for anesthesiologists. Doubt the government is slapping you guys with extra CME, and tougher cert. requirments


what is the origin of maintenance of certification then?

You have no idea of what you are talking about nitecap//
 
Of course what your regulating bodies say is law per say. But legislators are not writing these mandates. Someone within your field is deciding these things and then getting them approved. Which then makes them not optional. From what many MD providers tell me the board cert exam keeps getting harder and harder or so they claim. Doubt congress is writing test questions. Congress gives authority for your regulating bodies to make the rules and regulations. Of course congress has the final say so. Can you better explain or give examples of how the feds are making it harder for you to practice. Please show me legislation against you guys that makes board cert harder that is actually written by a legislator and not written by someone in the field and then reviewed by some type of congessional sunset committee then approved.
 
the maintenance of certification was adopted because of the publics concern for the maintenace of standards across specialties.. Every specialty is on board.. so Physicians had nothing to do with it.. it was the public and the insurance companies who wanted it..
 
But who writes the rules for maitence of certification, who says we are going to require x # of CME's ect. It is not insurance companies or the feds.

Of course these governing bodies are there to protect the public interest, that goes for that of nursing, accountig ect. They develope the bodies but for the most part it is people within the profession that make up these regulations and then get them approved.
 
the fact that we have to do it is a bother.... just another hoop to jump over.. it has nothing to do with the content of maintenance of certification
 
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