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Hey guys,
I'm curious if any of you are studying at UQ? If so, what are your opinions of this schools? Pros/cons...things that can be improved etc. It seems like enormous class from what I've researched on the website 333 domestic + 70 internationals...do you guys find this too crowded at all?

Zuck
 
I almost forgot...2 key questions:
How's the city of Brisbane?
Does UQ have a lot of Americans/Canadians? It would be nice to mingle with others like myself.

Zuck
 
400+ is an enormous class. See if the Australian Medical Association website mentions anything about all these bigger classes and post questions on other sites to get more info regarding issues here with that. In about 2 years there will be a huge amount of junior docs in QLD with Bond, Griffith graduating classes as new medical schools and big increases in the UQ classes as well.

Probably is crowded for anatomy tutorials.

Lectures are supposedly all online now. May not suit your learning style but seems to be the way many universities are going.

So far, Canadians make up a large percentage of the international students.

Brisbane is ok. 1hour from the beach. Sometimes has good bands. Nice weather (usually sunny).
 
Hi Zuckman,
I'm at final year student at UQ. I had a rant about all the bad stuff about UQ under the "Is Queensland a good 2nd choice?" thread the other week. There is some good stuff: Brisbane is a nice place to live - the weather is warm, the music scene is healthy and the rent, while expensive, is cheaper then Melb or SYd. The big class size hasn't effected us toom much yet (my class is a tiny 300) but there is talk of a "tsunami of medical students" in the next couple of years - 2 more medical schools opened up a couple of years ago on the Gold Coast (an hour away) - which might effect training places.
The majority of our International students come from North America so you will be amongst your own. 🙂
Hope this helps.
 
Hey UQGrad,
Have you found any positive things about the program? If you were to sell the school to me, what would you say? Thanks.

Zuck
 
I'm looking at the UQ application and there's a section which requires high school transcripts. What did you guys do for this? I mean, in high school we got report cards...also, I don't think UQ really cares about them for the grad entry program. Thx for any help.

Zuck
 
Hey, I'm currently in my 2nd year of the UQ Med programme.

I agree wholly with the above poster about Brissie and the lifestyle/cost here. It's a beautiful place, and the people are good too.

However, the medical school is a much different story.. Here's my laundry list of disadvantages found at the UQ med programme:

- The curriculum is not organised clearly - ie. what they want from us is not clearly laid out, and their examination methods are poor.

- Overall, the clinical exposure is nice, although even there the flawed organisation is evident. I'm not sure why, but it seems that many clinical coaches are surprised to have med students to teach. Additionally, the ones that know we're going to be meeting them often have no idea what the uni expects us to know for our clinical testing. I'm assuming this is because the school makes little effort to communicate with the doctors, and not that all the clinicians are unable to figure such a simple thing out.

- Lectures are sometimes good, but most of the time they overlap or cover material that is only relevant if you're in the line of work that the researcher is in. They seem to have become more interesting and clinically relevant this year, but their relevance regarding examined knowledge is questionable.

-Class sizes are going to get bigger.. much, much bigger. I'm not sure exactly what this increase is going to mean, but I suspect it's going to create even more problems with organisation.

-International tuition!!! It sucks. It's expensive. It's getting more expensive every year (ie. they raise the tuition of enrolled internationals by about 3% every year). There's a rumour I've heard that not all schools in Oz raise your international fees yearly.. don't quote me on that one.. still, be prepared to pay a LOT.

ANYWAY, I am personally still happy with my choice to come here, if only for the weather and the people I've met. The programme is so lacking, however, that I would strongly suggest you look into other Aussie programmes and compare them. From what I can see on the website, Flinders is MUCH more organized and international-friendly (ie. has 3rd and 4th year rotations set up so internationals have the pre-reqs to go get their required experience overseas at the beginning of 4th year). Other schools may be good as well - I was just struck by the number of things that would be easier if I were at Flinders (as an international, of course).

On a cheerful note, you'll love Australia! It's not home so you'll still miss a lot of things, but it's a friendly, warm, safe place to be for 4 years. And the increased responsibility of almost exclusively teaching yourself medicine will be a benefit in the long run. Just make sure you have enough discipline to sit down and do what you're here to do. If you do, then even the rotten programme won't hold you down. =)

Cheers.

P.S. With the future class size being what it is, I don't think that there remains much doubt as to the feasibility of staying here as an international. It's not very feasible. But that's a different discussion altogether...
 
400+ is an enormous class. See if the Australian Medical Association website mentions anything about all these bigger classes and post questions on other sites to get more info regarding issues here with that. In about 2 years there will be a huge amount of junior docs in QLD with Bond, Griffith graduating classes as new medical schools and big increases in the UQ classes as well.

Probably is crowded for anatomy tutorials.

Lectures are supposedly all online now. May not suit your learning style but seems to be the way many universities are going.

So far, Canadians make up a large percentage of the international students.

Brisbane is ok. 1hour from the beach. Sometimes has good bands. Nice weather (usually sunny).

Just a small correction - first year lectures at UQ won't all be online any time too soon, apparently. There's just going to be more online content (I think this means getting rid of SOME lectures and replacing them with online resources.. not entirely sure though).
 
queensland sounds so bad now :S now i am hoping that Syd would accept me and just take out more loan and go there... argh

with so many more people graduating from aussie med schools, i guess internationals will have a problem staying in aus regardless of where they study right?
 
Just a small correction - first year lectures at UQ won't all be online any time too soon, apparently. There's just going to be more online content (I think this means getting rid of SOME lectures and replacing them with online resources.. not entirely sure though).

Hey Off2Oz, thanks for the info -- I'm at IMU in Malaysia now and we have a linkage program with UQ -- if all goes well, I hope to be joining you all next year (Med years 3 & 4) -- UQ seems to be one of the better options (we also have linkage programs to other schools in the UK, NA, Oz) as I will be able to complete my degree in 2 years after finishing up in IMU. This amounts to more $$ being saved and subsequently starting specialty training a year earlier.

Heres my question I hope you will be able to answer -- I'm not too familiar with the australian system but I have heard that it is primarily a State affair. If I graduate from UQ will I still be considered as an 'international medical graduate' or will I have the same standings as any of the local graduates? The whole mess with the UK now has made many at my med-school rethink their whole twinning program. We want to be assured that we will be able to get a job and be able to further our medical training. I take it I still have to sit for the AMC exam (the exam equivalent to the US USMLE)?
 
Hey Off2Oz, thanks for the info -- I'm at IMU in Malaysia now and we have a linkage program with UQ -- if all goes well, I hope to be joining you all next year (Med years 3 & 4) -- UQ seems to be one of the better options (we also have linkage programs to other schools in the UK, NA, Oz) as I will be able to complete my degree in 2 years after finishing up in IMU. This amounts to more $$ being saved and subsequently starting specialty training a year earlier.

Heres my question I hope you will be able to answer -- I'm not too familiar with the australian system but I have heard that it is primarily a State affair. If I graduate from UQ will I still be considered as an 'international medical graduate' or will I have the same standings as any of the local graduates? The whole mess with the UK now has made many at my med-school rethink their whole twinning program. We want to be assured that we will be able to get a job and be able to further our medical training. I take it I still have to sit for the AMC exam (the exam equivalent to the US USMLE)?

if u grad from the local uni u wont need to sit an extra exam but u will be the lowest on the pecking order of students to match to intern spots. generally goes local>interstate>international grad from local uni

also hi to a fellow IMU student. i'm 5th yr at melb uni.btw is it true that many IMU students are now avoiding melb uni cos of the fees? just out of curiosity what previous degree do u have since u plan on going into UQ

what UK mess do you mean? i know plenty of IMU students in UK that matched to the 2yr intern program.
 
uk doesn't have a doc shortage like australia... and you have to be a british citizen to stay to do more specialized training...

but for aussie, i guess if u can get a working permit visa or PR status, u can continue with specialist training.. plz correct me if i'm wrong.
 
if u grad from the local uni u wont need to sit an extra exam but u will be the lowest on the pecking order of students to match to intern spots. generally goes local>interstate>international grad from local uni

also hi to a fellow IMU student. i'm 5th yr at melb uni.btw is it true that many IMU students are now avoiding melb uni cos of the fees? just out of curiosity what previous degree do u have since u plan on going into UQ

what UK mess do you mean? i know plenty of IMU students in UK that matched to the 2yr intern program.


Hm, I don't believe the high cost of Melbourne is discouraging students to match there -- it is still extremely competitive. How is the training in Melbourne?

IMU students will be able to attain FY1, FY2 status but they will be SOL when they try and get a job. Do UK grads have preferential treatment when trying to match with a hospital? Another option would be to match with the UK (my original plan) and eventually settle down in SE Asia or Australia but would it be difficult finding a job in Oz as a British graduate? I know Singapore recognizes nearly all the Universities IMU twins with.

I have a Neuroscience degree and have published some papers -- I believe UQ is heavily research oriented?
 
Melbourne is ok i guess.
EDIT: BUT TOO ^*&()_%$#* EXPENSIVE I'M NOT EXAGERRATING. fees are ridiculous (AUD50+k for clinical years now and increasing every year at about 7%) and living costs are high. and if u r malaysian the exchange rate is not looking too kind thanks to AUD strength vs USD.

UK like anywhere else i suppose will prefer their own citizens over foreign grads but i have no firsthand knowledge of this. As for coming to oz after grad from UK refer to some of the other threads here. Basically its the same thing everywhere... locals>>foreign grads. If u want to practise in oz, study in oz.

i dont know if UQ is heavily research oriented its just that they have a postgrad med program.
 
Melbourne is ok i guess.
EDIT: BUT TOO ^*&()_%$#* EXPENSIVE I'M NOT EXAGERRATING. fees are ridiculous (AUD50+k for clinical years now and increasing every year at about 7%) and living costs are high. and if u r malaysian the exchange rate is not looking too kind thanks to AUD strength vs USD.


Yeah, thats why I'm hoping to match to Queensland and hopefully they'll place me in their 2 year program. The only other 2 year program is Dundee but living in the UK is expensive too. I'm sure you can make up the money after you graduate -- heard docs over in Oz are making it pretty good there. In the US you'll be over $150,000 in loans by the time you graduate which is why nearly everyone specializes to recuperate their costs.

I take it you'll be settling down in Melbourne? At least you have the city!
 
if u grad from the local uni u wont need to sit an extra exam but u will be the lowest on the pecking order of students to match to intern spots. generally goes local>interstate>international grad from local uni

also hi to a fellow IMU student. i'm 5th yr at melb uni.btw is it true that many IMU students are now avoiding melb uni cos of the fees? just out of curiosity what previous degree do u have since u plan on going into UQ

what UK mess do you mean? i know plenty of IMU students in UK that matched to the 2yr intern program.

Yup, that pecking order stuff is true. I'm going back to NA, so I won't need to deal with it. However, the situation for other internationals who want to stay in Oz is bleak unless you're happy to practice anywhere in the country (ie. remote areas, etc).

That's my understanding of it, anyway. Anyone out there that knows better, feel free to correct me - I don't pay too much attention to the requirements for staying.. =)
 
hey off2oz, do you think the Australian curriculum is way too different from NA curriculum such that it is difficult to study for the USMLE?
 
did you guys find difficulty in finding accommodation in and around st.lucia?
 
hey off2oz, do you think the Australian curriculum is way too different from NA curriculum such that it is difficult to study for the USMLE?

The curriculum makes it decent to study for Step 2 but they do not cover material that will be on Step 1.

Ask anyone at Sydney what Light's criteria are and you will get blank stares (not necessarily on Step 1). Step 1 does test some silly stuff like the classification of DNA and RNA viruses though....

The Australian programs generally give you good clinical exposure and good clinical decision making.

I would say that the curriculum at Sydney is setup quite lightly that you can have enough free time to hold down a part-time job and study for the USMLE.
But, if your ultimate goal is to work in the US, stay in the US.

I skipped the majority of lectures in 2nd year and did well on the USMLE.
 
Yeah, thats why I'm hoping to match to Queensland and hopefully they'll place me in their 2 year program. The only other 2 year program is Dundee but living in the UK is expensive too. I'm sure you can make up the money after you graduate -- heard docs over in Oz are making it pretty good there. In the US you'll be over $150,000 in loans by the time you graduate which is why nearly everyone specializes to recuperate their costs.

I take it you'll be settling down in Melbourne? At least you have the city!

since u got a degree its a good chance u will match to queensland. not many grads in IMU lol. and fighting for a spot in dundee is just ridiculous... its the most competitive of all PMS thanks to the 2yr duration.

as far as renumeration goes depends on where and which state u work in. vic (melbourne) pays the least of all the states to interns cos they have so many interns that want to come here. one of the other threads covered this.

as far as staying in melbourne goes i'm not too attached to melbourne to be honest. a lot of ppl rave about how great a city it is but i dont really get it. its just another city as far as i'm concerned. i wouldn't mind going back to malaysia but thats probably not a good move career wise.
 
as far as renumeration goes depends on where and which state u work in. vic (melbourne) pays the least of all the states to interns cos they have so many interns that want to come here. one of the other threads covered this.

Hey goldfish, have you heard anything about a medical 'tsunami' that is about to hit certain states? Heard the gov. opened several schools a couple years back b/c of the shortage of docs and the grads are about to enter the system. That doesn't look too good for international students.

NSW looks to be a good choice also due to its proximity to sydney, but as you mentioned theres going to be a cut in your salary -- but if you intend to stay in that state, settle down and specialize wouldn't it all pay off in the long-run?
 
NSW looks to be a good choice also due to its proximity to sydney, but as you mentioned theres going to be a cut in your salary -- but if you intend to stay in that state, settle down and specialize wouldn't it all pay off in the long-run?

It's short-sighted to think about money in the short-run. Especially since the difference in pay is insignificant (several thousand here and there in base pay is NOTHING)

Being happy with your career and life are more important. But I suppose if you need money in the short-term to be happy, so be it!
 
Hey goldfish, have you heard anything about a medical 'tsunami' that is about to hit certain states? Heard the gov. opened several schools a couple years back b/c of the shortage of docs and the grads are about to enter the system. That doesn't look too good for international students.

NSW looks to be a good choice also due to its proximity to sydney, but as you mentioned theres going to be a cut in your salary -- but if you intend to stay in that state, settle down and specialize wouldn't it all pay off in the long-run?

apparently queensland has opened a few new medschools and they will grad around '09 lol my year 🙁 so its gona be a tougher fight for spots but still the number of grads isnt enuf to fill the req numer of docs in oz. thats what i hear anyway. and u can probably get by if u settle for a place thats further from main cities

It's short-sighted to think about money in the short-run. Especially since the difference in pay is insignificant (several thousand here and there in base pay is NOTHING)

Being happy with your career and life are more important. But I suppose if you need money in the short-term to be happy, so be it!

i completely agree that being happy with career n life is important and > salary. for me to be able to go back to msia and get a specialty training spot there would be ideal but i know the reality is i'll have a better shot in oz. having spent a few yrs in melb i'm still not exactly very attached to life here so i might as well try out someplace that i might get paid more if i can. also the dif in base pay is small but if u work in big city hosps u will have way less OT simply because there are plenty of interns/residents/HMOs to fill up any slots which DOES add up
 
apparently queensland has opened a few new medschools and they will grad around '09 lol my year 🙁 so its gona be a tougher fight for spots

Don't graduates of med schools in aus stay in their respective state? Would it be difficult to lets say graduate from Queensland but migrate and settle down in melbourne?


having spent a few yrs in melb i'm still not exactly very attached to life here so i might as well try out someplace that i might get paid more if i can. also the dif in base pay is small but if u work in big city hosps u will have way less OT simply because there are plenty of interns/residents/HMOs to fill up any slots which DOES add up

I thought Melbourne was the place to be! Wasn't it voted last year by Forbes magazine as the best place to live?

Or are you just missing Malaysian culture and food? 🙂
 
u can move between states. lots of doctors from dif states in the hospitals i've been to. melb/vic and syd/nsw are popular cities and states. although states prefer their own grads.

forbes can say whatever they want to doesnt change my opinion. there are plenty of ppl that come here and love it and there are those that are indifferent like me so find out more about the city and make up your own mind. u may love it or u may not only way to find out is to come and live here for awhile 😉. maybe u need to be a bit more specific about what u mean by "the place to be".. means different things to different people
 
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