anyone working a regular 40/hr. job PLUS a p/t 20 hr/week job?

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I'm planning on working A TON right after we graduate by landing a full time job as WELL as a p/t job (20 hours per week) so total of 60 hours a week....so I can pay off my student loans ASAP. Is anyone doing this or has done this? Is it feasable? also, what are your plans to pay off student loans? Thanks. ANY experiences with this will be such a HUGE help!
 
It's feasible and I know of pharmacists who have done it, but you'll get burned out quickly. Having one job and getting overtime to pick up extra shifts would obviously be better, but I don't know if most companies are letting pharmacists do much of that anymore.
 
also, if you're single, the taxes are pretty much taking it all back anyway. to me OT just isn't worth it, but then again they didn't pay time and a half
 
also, if you're single, the taxes are pretty much taking it all back anyway. to me OT just isn't worth it, but then again they didn't pay time and a half

Married with children...eh..a few! I've got it mapped out so that we can be done pretty quickly with student loans. I don't want to fool myself into thinking its possible if its not. That's why I'm starting to plan now. What are your plans to pay them down?
 
Does your wife work? How much in debt are you going to be when you graduate?
 
Does your wife work? How much in debt are you going to be when you graduate?

No she's not working. We have young children so she wants to be home to raise them. So I'm thinking for the both of us we'll have about $145,000 in loans (prior bachelors, plus pharm school) hopefully no more!!
 
Yeah definitely. One of the best things you can do at CVS is work 30 hours to get full time benefits and pick up as many shifts as you can under the books in independents. The market rate for independents under the book is now 40-45 dollars depending on the script count.

The 30 hours a week at CVS comes out to about 85,500 dollars anually. The beautiful thing about this is that after FSA, 401k, etc... you are one bracket down on the tax rate and can also deduct a lot of expenses such as student loan interest.

Working 20 hours PT under the book at 40 dollars an hour equals to 40k... which comes out to about 80k taxable income in NYC.

That is the equivalent to making 165k for a 50 hour work week plus getting tax benefits that you might not otherwise qualify for.
 
Yeah definitely. One of the best things you can do at CVS is work 30 hours to get full time benefits and pick up as many shifts as you can under the books in independents. The market rate for independents under the book is now 40-45 dollars depending on the script count.

The 30 hours a week at CVS comes out to about 85,500 dollars anually. The beautiful thing about this is that after FSA, 401k, etc... you are one bracket down on the tax rate and can also deduct a lot of expenses such as student loan interest.

Working 20 hours PT under the book at 40 dollars an hour equals to 40k... which comes out to about 80k taxable income in NYC.

That is the equivalent to making 165k for a 50 hour work week plus getting tax benefits that you might not otherwise qualify for.

Does under the books mean the same thing as under the table meaning you don't report your earnings to the IRS? I have only heard this described as off the books so I just wanted to clarify. Anyway, I had a friend who did that for a law firm in college. She thought she was working under the table but apparently there was a misunderstanding and she was quite surprised when she was contacted by the IRS later wanting to know why she wasn't paying her taxes. I think it ended up costing her quite a bit extra in penalties and interest.
 
Does under the books mean the same thing as under the table meaning you don't report your earnings to the IRS? I have only heard this described as off the books so I just wanted to clarify. Anyway, I had a friend who did that for a law firm in college. She thought she was working under the table but apparently there was a misunderstanding and she was quite surprised when she was contacted by the IRS later wanting to know why she wasn't paying her taxes. I think it ended up costing her quite a bit extra in penalties and interest.

Yes it means off the books. While it is considered "tax fraud", it is widely accepted and done.
 
Overtime is one of the most inefficient practices a business can employ. Employers will only allow overtime out of sheer necessity when short staffed. Effective managers minimize overtime and administrators will fire managers who can't control overtime.

I would certainly not bank on overtime to make the ends meet.

I can't say what retail will do regarding overtime but I'm pretty confident with the potential influx and spillage of new PharmD over crowding the market, employers will try to do without it.

Hospital overtime will be very hard to get.
 
you sure are preoccupied with money. Did it ever occur to you to wait until you had a career to start procreating?
 
Overtime is one of the most inefficient practices a business can employ. Employers will only allow overtime out of sheer necessity when short staffed. Effective managers minimize overtime and administrators will fire managers who can't control overtime.

I would certainly not bank on overtime to make the ends meet.

I can't say what retail will do regarding overtime but I'm pretty confident with the potential influx and spillage of new PharmD over crowding the market, employers will try to do without it.

Hospital overtime will be very hard to get.

There is no over time at CVS. We got a memo saying that no overtime is permitted for whatever reason without approval from the highest field management.
 
you sure are preoccupied with money. Did it ever occur to you to wait until you had a career to start procreating?

Financial stability before children..? That is a bunch of craziness. Earlier you start having kids the earlier those gov't checks can start coming.😡
 
Financial stability before children..? That is a bunch of craziness. Earlier you start having kids the earlier those gov't checks can start coming.😡
Reallyl!?!?!? shot, I should have kids now! thought I want to have some by 30, 9 years from now.
 
I know of 2 pharmacists I work with that work that much at a few different jobs. I asked one of them yesterday how he does it. He told me he only needs 4 hours of sleep a night.
 
you sure are preoccupied with money. Did it ever occur to you to wait until you had a career to start procreating?
I didn't ask for your opinions as to when to start "procreating"...(which is a really dorky way to say "having kids" by the way..) anyway...I don't want to waste my time explaining to YOU my personal decisions to start a family.

So, to clarify, my original post is directed to MATURE people only. Thanks to everyone who answered objectively.

By the way NJAC...I'm 31 years old and this is a CHANGE of career, not the START of my working life. I didn't have kids when I was 21. Don't assume. Feel dumb?
And, as far as being "preoccupied" with money, how can you not plan NOW on how to repay the LARGE amount of money some of us are borrowing to pay for school? Seems the wise thing to me.
 
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I didn't ask for your opinions as to when to start "procreating"...(which is a really dorky way to say "having kids" by the way..) anyway...I don't want to waste my time explaining to YOU my personal decisions to start a family.

So, to clarify, my original post is directed to MATURE people only. Thanks to everyone who answered objectively.

By the way NJAC...I'm 31 years old and this is a CHANGE of career, not the START of my working life. I didn't have kids when I was 21. Don't assume. Feel dumb?
And, as far as being "preoccupied" with money, how can you not plan NOW on how to repay the LARGE amount of money some of us are borrowing to pay for school? Seems the wise thing to me.

Red flagged as a toolbag:meanie:
 
A more efficient way may be to grab a 7 on 7 off overnight position, then work 3 days during your off week. This way, you are still working 10/14 days like a normal person, but making like 35% more
 
i know pharmacists who work the night shift (4-12) at one hosp and then work at the overnight shift at another hosp (12-8). i think it's completely feasible. it's almost like doing your rotations for 40h/wk and working 2 jobs like i did.
 
Keep in mind that I do not know your full situation, but:

I believe that if you just simply cut down on the luxuries you can save yourself enough money to not have to work two jobs. I understand your ambition to pay of student loans, but you must also be realistic to your priorities. Working double to pay off student loans "sounds" good but I can guarantee when you look back you will have wished you could have spent more time with your family.

If you're just in your 30s you will have many fufilling years to pay off your student loans. Hell my dad is 48 and he just paid off his loans from god knows how long ago!

Ofcourse he paid the minimum and decided to invest in higher yield returns (or so he says :laugh:).

Good luck in any endeavor.
 
A more efficient way may be to grab a 7 on 7 off overnight position, then work 3 days during your off week. This way, you are still working 10/14 days like a normal person, but making like 35% more

To add to what everyone has already highlighted, I've heard some hospitals or companies pay for a certain percentage of your tuition if you work for them after graduation. (example: VA hospitals) The hard part is fighting the competition and getting hired.
 
Your children will never remember howmuch loan debt you had.


But they will remember that you were never home.
 
Can be a tough proposition, but if you are dead set on getting rid of your student loans asap it can be done. I know you have thought this out, so please don't take any of the advice below as patronizing. Maybe some others in your position can benefit from this discussion as well.

- Good God 145k is a ton of money. Remember why you spent it. An investement in yourself that will pay dividends over your entire working career.

- Set realistic incremental goals, and celebrate when you achieve them. You are going to get discouraged. Throwing thousands per month a 145k will begin to feel inconsequential.

- This is going to take longer than you anticipate. I am sure you've planned out the scenario realistically...but by this point in your life I'm sure you can appreciate that stuff comes up. Don't get beat yourself up if you fall off schedule.

- Prioritize. For example, don't shove all of your money at the student loans if you have a high credit card balance. Get rid of your high interest debt first.

- Don't depend on overtime, the two job idea is much more realistic.

- With the above said, floater positions aren't as available as they once were. Expect lots of commuting if you will be floating.

- Keep in mind that the hours at your part time gig may or may not be "set", so they could easily begin to interfere with your primary job.

- 7on/7off is pretty sweet, but it does mean you are working every-other weekend. You will also be part-zombie during your first days on/off. In hospital pharmacy, you will probably be the only pharmacist on-site so it is not really a good choice right out of school.

- Don't underestimate burn-out. It can happen pretty fast, which is a bad thing in a highly-detailed-zero-defect work environment. You won't see your wife/kids very much.

If you can swing it getting rid of your loans can be very satisfying. Imagine the weight off your shoulders when that $145k = $0.

Thanks a lot! I really appreciate your thoughtful response. I agree, things will most LIKELY come up, I know it will be hard, and that is something we still want to work at. Thanks again!
 
Your children will never remember howmuch loan debt you had.


But they will remember that you were never home.

Meh buy them a lexus when they get into college. That will make them forget.
 
Yes it means off the books. While it is considered "tax fraud", it is widely accepted and done.

Widely accepted and done vs. legal are completely different things. There is a difference in tax avoidance and tax evasion. That is tax evasion and will result in you going to federal pound me in the rear prison if caught.

Personally, that kind of crap is why the government is out a lot of money.
 
The 30 hours a week at CVS comes out to about 85,500 dollars anually. The beautiful thing about this is that after FSA, 401k, etc... you are one bracket down on the tax rate and can also deduct a lot of expenses such as student loan interest.
You're full of ****! Max income is $70K.

It's different if you're married filling jointly, $150K, but you brought up $85K and tried to say that is was somehow different than working 40hrs/week and making that amount of money.

http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=178005,00.html
 
Your children will never remember howmuch loan debt you had.


But they will remember that you were never home.

Young children do actually grow up into adults. I'm pretty sure they will be grateful for what their father has done for them. But you do make a good point that time is more valuable than money. I have seen my parents make sacrifices for our family, and while the money trivializes the importance of spending time together as a family, I never for a second forget that the reason they work so hard is because they love me.
 
Yes it means off the books. While it is considered "tax fraud", it is widely accepted and done.

Just try your damnedest not to get audited. With the random auditing of the higher tax brackets that's hard to do but the 'off the books' pay will show up easily. The IRS will weight $X in Deposits into your bank account against $X in Earnings that you reported.

When you're talking a matter of $40k it won't be hard to catch. As you said, it's widely done and accepted, but be smart. If caught, you'll lose everything you made and take on the burden of a very significant fine.
 
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