Anyone worry about job security???

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Hi everyone I am a new member here. Just wanted to say hi and see what the consensus about the profession of pharmacy?
I've been in retail pharmacy for 12 years. cashier > tech > intern > rph for a big retail giant over 6K stores + whatever in Europe.

Every day I contemplate giving it all up, unfortunately bills has to be paid and kids gotta be fed.
I wake up everyday regretting my decision to go to pharmacy school.

What is every one doing to keep sane?
 
Hi everyone I am a new member here. Just wanted to say hi and see what the consensus about the profession of pharmacy?
I've been in retail pharmacy for 12 years. cashier > tech > intern > rph for a big retail giant over 6K stores + whatever in Europe.

Every day I contemplate giving it all up, unfortunately bills has to be paid and kids gotta be fed.
I wake up everyday regretting my decision to go to pharmacy school.

What is every one doing to keep sane?
I’ve been traveling for pleasure all over the world for the last 5.5 years with or without PTO. 2 trips to Russia, Italy, Greece, UK, Turkey, Switzerland , France, Hungary, Ukraine, a few other European nations I can’t think of now, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, China, etc. Great way to unwind . My situation is different though- early 30s and no children to feed. This is my way to keep sane .
 
I don't want to get fired for something trivial. Being a retail RPH is the most optimal "brainless" job I can acquire

That said if I lost my job tomorrow I no longer have to contribute to the California welfare state and witness first-hand the moral hazards it induces on a daily basis. Win-win

Edit: inb4 someone says without CMS I wouldn't have a job. As though that weren't obvious
 
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Trying to get a sugar mama to pay my bills.
+1

Women has hypergamy mentality (AWALT), good luck if you can snag one. Heck, getting one making the same is a pretty good deal.

I’ve been traveling for pleasure all over the world for the last 5.5 years with or without PTO. 2 trips to Russia, Italy, Greece, UK, Turkey, Switzerland , France, Hungary, Ukraine, a few other European nations I can’t think of now, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, China, etc. Great way to unwind . My situation is different though- early 30s and no children to feed. This is my way to keep sane .

How much avg cost for trips like these?
I don't want to get fired for something trivial. Being a retail RPH is the most optimal "brainless" job I can acquire

That said if I lost my job tomorrow I no longer have to contribute to the California welfare state and witness first-hand the moral hazards it induces on a daily basis. Win-win
I'm dependent less on a job for $ but I am dependent on the time a job can fill my time coz 40h/week I can't really fill it with crap all week long... I don't have that many activities I wanna do year long.
 
If you are working in retail and haven’t thought about the possibility of a rainy day then you are living under the rock. Rx manager is the most secure job you can have as long as you are ranked in the middle or above in market in terms of matrics. Yes it’s lot more stressful being a manager but at the end of the day you are gonna keep the job when final storm hits because no one wants to be a manager. You are also gonna get guaranteed 80 hours.

Staff pharmacists on the other hand will be lot more vulnerable to salary/ hours decline and being replaced by much cheaper new graduates.
 
I’ve been traveling for pleasure all over the world for the last 5.5 years with or without PTO. 2 trips to Russia, Italy, Greece, UK, Turkey, Switzerland , France, Hungary, Ukraine, a few other European nations I can’t think of now, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, China, etc. Great way to unwind . My situation is different though- early 30s and no children to feed. This is my way to keep sane .

I’m in, before kids that’s what we used to do. A little harder with kids but still possible. It’s great and easy to travel now when you are making 6 figure in retail. How will you travel when the company decides to create a new position code and request you accept the new code at a lower pay rate? Cause there are 1000+ graduate this year who would gladly take my job at 75% the pay.


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+1

Women has hypergamy mentality (AWALT), good luck if you can snag one. Heck, getting one making the same is a pretty good deal.



How much avg cost for trips like these?

Not much if you look hard enough. Just saw round trip LAX to Sydney for ~650 rt. Same goes for lax to Tahiti last month. And 750ish for west coast to Bali.


I'm dependent less on a job for $ but I am dependent on the time a job can fill my time coz 40h/week I can't really fill it with crap all week long... I don't have that many activities I wanna do year long.




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If you are working in retail and haven’t thought about the possibility of a rainy day then you are living under the rock. Rx manager is the most secure job you can have as long as you are ranked in the middle or above in market in terms of matrics. Yes it’s lot more stressful being a manager but at the end of the day you are gonna keep the job when final storm hits because no one wants to be a manager. You are also gonna get guaranteed 80 hours.

Staff pharmacists on the other hand will be lot more vulnerable to salary/ hours decline and being replaced by much cheaper new graduates.

It’s already happening. All non rxm are being cut to 32h a week. Or changing the pharmacy hour 9-7. Using 1 rxm and some floaters to fill in the gaps.
I’ve seen floaters guaranteed 40 hr a week by a DM goes to guarantee 16h every 2 weeks in matter of months.
We are all in for a world of hurt.
Just wanna know, what is everyone planning?
Stock? Flipping house? Crypto? Buying a franchise or business somewhere?


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It’s already happening. All non rxm are being cut to 32h a week. Or changing the pharmacy hour 9-7. Using 1 rxm and some floaters to fill in the gaps.
I’ve seen floaters guaranteed 40 hr a week by a DM goes to guarantee 16h every 2 weeks in matter of months.
We are all in for a world of hurt.
Just wanna know, what is everyone planning?
Stock? Flipping house? Crypto? Buying a franchise or business somewhere?


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I agree with Victor very much, good options too. As a pharmacy manager i still suffer from the new grad influx. They pay me 70 bucks an hour at WM. A new grad will do this for 50 if not 45. They will know no better. Hes 100% right about the cuts at the chains too. My DM is doing this right now! They ask me to cover from time to time, and i truly would ya know? but im just so burnt out i need a day off. I'm sure you guys understand. The money is great too for me, but I just need to rest up for the battle that is every day in retail. It's no longer worth the money because i end up tired and grouchy every time from burn out. My plan is this will be the last retail, corporate, pharmacy job i ever work, and im fine with that. Ive given up. at age 39 only! lol. My wife and i have no kids, small bills, live frugal, save everything...and we are done...starting a business soon.
 
Hi everyone I am a new member here. Just wanted to say hi and see what the consensus about the profession of pharmacy?
I've been in retail pharmacy for 12 years. cashier > tech > intern > rph for a big retail giant over 6K stores + whatever in Europe.

Every day I contemplate giving it all up, unfortunately bills has to be paid and kids gotta be fed.
I wake up everyday regretting my decision to go to pharmacy school.

What is every one doing to keep sane?

I take Qualuude 10-15 times a day for my "back pain...", adderall to stay focused....xanax to take the edge off, pot to mellow me out, coke to wake me back up, and morphine....well.....because it's just awesome...

Wolf of Wall Street----lol
 
+1

Women has hypergamy mentality (AWALT), good luck if you can snag one. Heck, getting one making the same is a pretty good deal.



How much avg cost for trips like these? Depends on the country and how long you go away . But let’s say $2,500-$3,000 for a 10 day trip to Brazil or somewhere in Eastern Europe. And if you use travel rewards credit cards and play the game responsibly, you can reap the rewards with points and lower cost airfare, free flights, etc. Now, if it’s a very distant country, such as Australia or New Zealand or you visit both on say a full month long trip, it can be anywhere from $7,500 to $10k. Just giving you an idea since you asked . No children, spouse, living below means , no mortgage and it can be done .

I'm dependent less on a job for $ but I am dependent on the time a job can fill my time coz 40h/week I can't really fill it with crap all week long... I don't have that many activities I wanna do year long.
 
I'm dependent less on a job for $ but I am dependent on the time a job can fill my time coz 40h/week I can't really fill it with crap all week long... I don't have that many activities I wanna do year long.

Learn a language, work out, video games, reading, travel, wood-working...

Rotate interests/activities as needed. I might get bored if I lived 5 billion years but not 50

Travel specifically... when I am like 10 years from dying it won't be as enjoyable as your body declines. The time is now
 
Learn a language, work out, video games, reading, travel, wood-working...

Rotate interests/activities as needed. I might get bored if I lived 5 billion years but not 50

Travel specifically... when I am like 10 years from dying it won't be as enjoyable as your body declines. The time is now
Agree. When the opportunity to travel knocks on your door, it’s best to take advantage and do it . Ideally, being in your 20s, 30s, or 40s is the best if the circumstances permit . No one knows the future and money, health, or other circumstances are as volatile as the direction of the wind . One may not be able to travel later in life for whatever reason.
 
To answer the original question:

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What’s the plan? Sit around I’m and wait?


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I am not in retail pharmacy, so my plan is probably not applicable to the topic. But in general i am always researching ways i can diversify my skillset. I also continue to maintain my professional network and stay in touch with folks who i might be able to rely on later when i need a new job. I also havent lost my job yet, so i do as good as a job as i can at my current workplace.

There is no secret formula that i am aware of. You either have connections, start your own business/make successful investments with any capital you already have, or you retrain for another job that is in demand. That's the plan.

I suppose you can also try to save the retail pharmacy profession by getting involved in policy and politics, but if retail pharmacy is becoming as obsolete as coal mining, it might just be time to move on.
 
Get into the FIRE movement. Your options really open up when you done need 40 hours per week. Maybe 50 this week, none the next, nothing for 1 month, 3 month gig covering a leave. Being off and available to pickup a sick day.
 
I am not in retail pharmacy, so my plan is probably not applicable to the topic. But in general i am always researching ways i can diversify my skillset. I also continue to maintain my professional network and stay in touch with folks who i might be able to rely on later when i need a new job. I also havent lost my job yet, so i do as good as a job as i can at my current workplace.

There is no secret formula that i am aware of. You either have connections, start your own business/make successful investments with any capital you already have, or you retrain for another job that is in demand. That's the plan.

I suppose you can also try to save the retail pharmacy profession by getting involved in policy and politics, but if retail pharmacy is becoming as obsolete as coal mining, it might just be time to move on.

Hey if you are not in retail more power to you. But I’m pretty sure the whole pharmacy profession is going down the crapper. Not because it’s obsolete. It’s over saturation, nothing we can control. Whether you work retail, hospital, or consultant: there are thousands of unemployed new grad with 150k+ plus loan willing to work at a lower rate. So at that point are you willing to take 5 figure income rather than 6?

I just want a feel for what’s out there.
At one point I almost purchased a clinical research facility but then realized if the doc leaves or retires I’m screwed. I also looked into franchising a some affordable restaurant options but realized I have no idea what to do in a restaurant.

Just looking for options, that is all.

Get into the FIRE movement. Your options really open up when you done need 40 hours per week. Maybe 50 this week, none the next, nothing for 1 month, 3 month gig covering a leave. Being off and available to pickup a sick day.

Yea I’ll just tell my loan payment, mortgage, cars, and kids day care to hold off until someone calls out sick for a few months.



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Yea I’ll just tell my loan payment, mortgage, cars, and kids day care to hold off until someone calls out sick for a few months.


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"To get yourself out of the hole you have to stop digging." -Incredibles 2

Ive got a loan payment, two kids both in daycare the first starting 3 months prior to graduating Pharmacy school and the second one still in for the next 1.5 years. Been there, still doing that. But you chug through the daycare which eventually ends, minimize expenses and try and keep the house cheap on a 15 year and buy boring reliable cars that will be paid off in 5. Maybe get fancy and refi the student loans to a shorter term. In 5 years you have less daycare expenses and no car payments. You double up on the student loan and the house. Its possible, but not with that "Ill always have a payment on something" attitude.
 
"To get yourself out of the hole you have to stop digging." -Incredibles 2

"Dig up, stupid!" - The Simpsons

To answer the original question, I do worry about job security. I worry about it to a point where it is almost a detriment to my life. This neurotic behavior is just one of many skills I learned growing up in a poor, rural household. It didn't help starting my working years in the aftermath of the great depression, and now the looming pharmacist shortage. I'm afraid to buy a house because I just know I'll lose my job and end up working at Starbucks and living in my car.

Silver lining: Not being anchored to any one area has allowed me to pursue opportunities and live in different regions.
 
"Dig up, stupid!" - The Simpsons

To answer the original question, I do worry about job security. I worry about it to a point where it is almost a detriment to my life. This neurotic behavior is just one of many skills I learned growing up in a poor, rural household. It didn't help starting my working years in the aftermath of the great depression, and now the looming pharmacist shortage. I'm afraid to buy a house because I just know I'll lose my job and end up working at Starbucks and living in my car.

Silver lining: Not being anchored to any one area has allowed me to pursue opportunities and live in different regions.
"I just know I'll lose my job and end up working at Starbucks and living in my car."

Can confirm that I have been living in my car the last 5 years. It's not as bad as it seems. Shower at the gym. Electricity at Starbucks/Mcdonalds. Free internet. Zero in rent (gasoline and parking can be tough). As long as pharmacy pays me 5,000 a year I will be able to survive.That comes out to 2.40 USD an hour. Based on my calculations I don't expect pharmacy to pay lower than 45,000 USD a year in the next 20 years so I should be okay.

The big issue is the stigma of being homeless perpetuated by the real estate industrial complex. No I am not mentally ill, a sex offender, a heroin dependent individual or anything like that just bc i live in my car.
 
"I just know I'll lose my job and end up working at Starbucks and living in my car."

Can confirm that I have been living in my car the last 5 years. It's not as bad as it seems. Shower at the gym. Electricity at Starbucks/Mcdonalds. Free internet. Zero in rent (gasoline and parking can be tough). As long as pharmacy pays me 5,000 a year I will be able to survive.That comes out to 2.40 USD an hour. Based on my calculations I don't expect pharmacy to pay lower than 45,000 USD a year in the next 20 years so I should be okay.

The big issue is the stigma of being homeless perpetuated by the real estate industrial complex. No I am not mentally ill, a sex offender, a heroin dependent individual or anything like that just bc i live in my car.

So that's why I've noticed floaters coming in with those reusable gas station cups and stuffing shower caps away into their purses. Maybe one day there will be roving bands of pharmacists similar to the Grapes of Wrath.
 
So that's why I've noticed floaters coming in with those reusable gas station cups and stuffing shower caps away into their purses. Maybe one day there will be roving bands of pharmacists similar to the Grapes of Wrath.
Living in one's car has really nothing to do with wealth or poverty for most. It's just a financially responsible way to live and a more social way to live. Especially when you have loans like me. Why would I waste money on rent when I have loans to pay back.
 
"To get yourself out of the hole you have to stop digging." -Incredibles 2

Ive got a loan payment, two kids both in daycare the first starting 3 months prior to graduating Pharmacy school and the second one still in for the next 1.5 years. Been there, still doing that. But you chug through the daycare which eventually ends, minimize expenses and try and keep the house cheap on a 15 year and buy boring reliable cars that will be paid off in 5. Maybe get fancy and refi the student loans to a shorter term. In 5 years you have less daycare expenses and no car payments. You double up on the student loan and the house. Its possible, but not with that "Ill always have a payment on something" attitude.

Wow, gotta say, kinda sad when the attitude of pharmacists are let’s live modestly or live in my car, or spend less money to get by. Then what?
If that’s the case why not just pop out a couple more kids and collect welfare and food stamps. Free food, cheap housing,
Free money, free health care. No 150-200k loan.
Obviously spend less money, buy crappy cars, rent an apartment can all help save money.
What kind of life is that?
You can only save so much friend.
Look at it like this: pharmacist in The UK make around 35k pound a year. Walgreens is own by Boots in europe( contrary to what Walgreens wants you to think).
Eventually they are going to wise up and realize they don’t need to pay US pharmacist More than 100k a year. Once a company starts cutting pay, all of the other will follow.
It easy to save when you are making 100k a year, try 80 or 70?

Listen we all know pharmacy sucks now.
Why not try to find something else outside of pharmacy where we can use our connections and expertise to make that money so you don’t have to live in your car or an apartment.
Any one got idea???





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"I just know I'll lose my job and end up working at Starbucks and living in my car."

Can confirm that I have been living in my car the last 5 years. It's not as bad as it seems. Shower at the gym. Electricity at Starbucks/Mcdonalds. Free internet. Zero in rent (gasoline and parking can be tough). As long as pharmacy pays me 5,000 a year I will be able to survive.That comes out to 2.40 USD an hour. Based on my calculations I don't expect pharmacy to pay lower than 45,000 USD a year in the next 20 years so I should be okay.

The big issue is the stigma of being homeless perpetuated by the real estate industrial complex. No I am not mentally ill, a sex offender, a heroin dependent individual or anything like that just bc i live in my car.

I didnt become a pharmacist to live out of my car. Thats absurd thinking. That just shows you this profession is done. I am stepping out. To what i do not know. I have saved, and owe this profession nothing. The boards of pharmacy have not supported us, the big companies are destroying us, and even the APHA has not done anything. The schools hurt us badly and and cashed in.....The interest to go to school should be low and fixed to support you, not predatory and high to drown you....most people from 10+ years ago have fixed 1-4% interest rates. why all the sudden hike them up? It's over, im done..
 
Why not pop out kids => ethically questionable in this day and age. The lower rungs of society don't really care about that
Collect welfare and food stamps => what exactly is the problem with living modestly while making a decent living (much better alternative than collecting cash assistance and EBT snap; it's nice not to have to care about money really if you have no debt and some savings to tide you over for 1-2 years)
Free health care => must be nice to be on some **** plan where you have to go to **** providers (depends on location)
 
Wanting to step out of the profession due to lack of salary makes to quite clear why you stepped in to begin with?

If 2008 showed us anything, no job is 100% secure. And when you no longer trust your company its no longer an agreed to feudal system, its modern day slavery. For what? Soccer lessons on weekends and 1.5 bedrooms for every member of your family? F that.
 
And wanting to stay in a profession with such a high entry barrier only to be paid chump change makes even more sense.
 
What's wrong with living in an apartment?

Nothing is wrong with apartments. There are plenty apartments thats nicer than house, you don't have to worry about maintenance. The problem is, you just spent 6+ year and $150k+ going to school. There are certain expectation of job security and income that should come with that. Now you are telling me I should sell my house and cars and whatever else nice I have so I can be prepare to move from job to job. That's no way to live friend.

Already got one. Feels good man.
congrats to you man. We all can't be so lucky. lol

Wanting to step out of the profession due to lack of salary makes to quite clear why you stepped in to begin with?

What's wrong with going into a profession expecting to make great money. Welcome to America. Wait, did you think you went to pharmacy school to make the world a better place?
Almost all pharmacist went to pharmacy school expecting an easy life making 6 figure and being able to give their family a better life. That's why we accept the 8-4 or 2-10 and every other weekend schedule. It sucks, but it worth it for the money.
 
^Exactly. Helping patients is definitely a big reason as to why I do this job. But let’s be real, 90% of us wouldn’t do this at 30$ an hour, probably not even at 40$ an hour, regardless of how much we love the profession.

Go tell MDs that their pay cut will get slashed in half, and see how many stay “for the patients”.
 
Ultimately if you aren't doing anything to change something about a situation youre unhappy with.....

Its the pharmacy schools fault, its the governments fault for allowing so many student loans, its the big bad corporations fault for wanting to make a profit, etc etc etc

If all of us could afford to take a month off to strike a lot of these problems would be helped. And maybe not all of us could do that right now but it would be nice if you guys could at least see that as an attainable goal.
 
I didnt become a pharmacist to live out of my car. Thats absurd thinking. That just shows you this profession is done. I am stepping out. To what i do not know. I have saved, and owe this profession nothing. The boards of pharmacy have not supported us, the big companies are destroying us, and even the APHA has not done anything. The schools hurt us badly and and cashed in.....The interest to go to school should be low and fixed to support you, not predatory and high to drown you....most people from 10+ years ago have fixed 1-4% interest rates. why all the sudden hike them up? It's over, im done..

Yeah man if you think you are too good to live out of your car just because you have a piece of paper that says PharmD and your name that's ridiculous. People with that attitude are the same that take out loads of loans to live in nice 1000 USD + a month places and eat out often. Living in a car is a luxury. There are thousands that sleep on the street every night. You sound very privileged and greedy.
 
^Exactly. Helping patients is definitely a big reason as to why I do this job. But let’s be real, 90% of us wouldn’t do this at 30$ an hour, probably not even at 40$ an hour, regardless of how much we love the profession.

Go tell MDs that their pay cut will get slashed in half, and see how many stay “for the patients”.

I would do it, on one condition. Job security. If you can't allow me to help people and help you make money without destroying me in the process, i have no need for that.
 
Once all the pay drops are implemented, what happen next is trigger happy easy firing of old expensive rphs with bogus reasons to replace you with cheaper new grads.

I don't think this is isolated to retail, it's gonna affect all aspects of pharmacy sector sooner or later.
 
Once all the pay drops are implemented, what happen next is trigger happy easy firing of old expensive rphs with bogus reasons to replace you with cheaper new grads.

I don't think this is isolated to retail, it's gonna affect all aspects of pharmacy sector sooner or later.

This guy is 100% correct and it's already starting. I manage WM in a rural area! and im seeing it here. My DM is burning out our staff horribly and/or iv'e seen middle agers and old timers (decent performers though) suddenly gone...replaced by new grads for 10-15/hour less. this started about a year ago at wally world. They are making money this year big time.....because of WAGES! thats why my P&L looks good. LMAO
 
Living in a car is a luxury. There are thousands that sleep on the street every night. You sound very privileged and greedy.

This argument's like the cliche about wasting food when there's starving children in Africa. Just because some people have it worse does not invalidate their opinion. May as well reverse it and say "Living in a house is a right. There are thousands that live in mansions every night."

As for living in your car, I could care less what people choose to do with their own money. You probably are saving a ton of money by doing so, though that's a price I'm more than willing to pay.
 
This argument's like the cliche about wasting food when there's starving children in Africa. Just because some people have it worse does not invalidate their opinion. May as well reverse it and say "Living in a house is a right. There are thousands that live in mansions every night."

As for living in your car, I could care less what people choose to do with their own money. You probably are saving a ton of money by doing so, though that's a price I'm more than willing to pay.

There are literally tens of thousands of homeless individuals in the US. Have you ever been so hungry it keeps you awake? I'm not saying his opinion is invalid. I'm saying look at it within the context of his life. Trying to keep things in perspective.
 
What are we talking about here?? pharmacists living out of cars? this is a joke. Forget perspective. IF you are in an occupation and live out of your car, you need to change fields fast.
 
I guess people have different priorities, having a warm and secure house is extremely high on my priority list.
 
Or apartment, that would be acceptable to. But living in my car? Not on a pharmacist salary, and I'm amazed that anyone would choose to.
 
I'd be alright with a modest cabin/house in the foothills/mountains of NC. Having a super big house isn't very high on my list. I'd rather have a nice car and eat out a lot. I'd like to have land, though, so I could traipse around and do dumb stuff haha.
 
Or just rent until the housing market/overall market collapses again, then play the foreclosure game.
 
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"I just know I'll lose my job and end up working at Starbucks and living in my car."

Can confirm that I have been living in my car the last 5 years. It's not as bad as it seems. Shower at the gym. Electricity at Starbucks/Mcdonalds. Free internet. Zero in rent (gasoline and parking can be tough). As long as pharmacy pays me 5,000 a year I will be able to survive.That comes out to 2.40 USD an hour. Based on my calculations I don't expect pharmacy to pay lower than 45,000 USD a year in the next 20 years so I should be okay.

The big issue is the stigma of being homeless perpetuated by the real estate industrial complex. No I am not mentally ill, a sex offender, a heroin dependent individual or anything like that just bc i live in my car.
this guy is trolling.
 
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