APMA Salary Survey - States in Demand

[sdupre_apma]

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Hi All,
Sam here with my regularly scheduled request for participation in the APMA compensation survey with Marit Health. As a whole, participation has been amazing, we're at over 900 responses nationally, with ~50% of responses coming from those with 0 to 10 years of post-training experience. This is going to paint a hell of a comprehensive picture, especially when we have other previous practice surveys from other sources to compare it to. To put that 50%+ in perspective, 2025 responses from one survey I was looking at recently had ~32% of responses coming from that same cohort.

If you practice in the following states, we would especially love your participation: AK, DC, DE, HI, ID, KS, MS, MT, ND, NE, NH, NV, RI, SD, VT, WV, WY

These are states where either we have relatively few responses in general or where we have responses, but those responses are lagging compared to the relative proportion of DPMs located in that state. For privacy reasons, if there are below certain levels of response for areas, I won't see information at that fine scale. I would see it aggregated to above-state levels, which limits the level of information we can pull from the data to give back to the community of podiatrists.

Plus, 50 responses is great for a state like Alaska with few DPMs if I want to be sure we're capturing trends that don't just reflect a few people, but 50 responses would be... suboptimal for California for example.

If you haven't participated yet, especially if you're in one of those states, the link is here: Marit Health. Plus... $100 or $500 is always nice!

Thank you again everyone!
Sam

 

[Feli]

You can put me down if you like... 194k/491k net / gross last year... $63k/193k net/gross 2023 (solo private practice).
...was roughly $75k-180k yearly for about a decade before that (various PP associate or supergroup or mobile or MSG or hospital employed)

I'm not apma member and not signing up for a website or getting the all "affiliate follow up communication." Too much of that already. 🙂

...good luck with this, it's important work. I can tell you flat out that this study will run into massive "funding bias" (as you stats guys say) and likely not be published at all if it won't be edited. There are thousands and thousands of young DPMs with terrible ROI on their educational debt (many not young ones also). At the least, maybe the Apma will get a bit of a wakeup call from the true data and stop opening new schools... before they have it "adjusted" to make a good recruiting tool for existing podiatry schools. Nonetheless, important work. 👍

 

[sdupre_apma]

You can put me down if you like... 194k/491k net / gross last year... $63k/193k gross/net 2023 (solo private practice).
...was roughly $75k-180k yearly for about a decade before that (various PP associate or supergroup or mobile or MSG or hospital employed)

I'm not apma member and not signing up for a website or getting the all "affiliate follow up communication." Too much of that already. 🙂

...good luck with this, it's important work. I can tell you flat out that this study will run into massive "funding bias" (as you stats guys say) and likely not be published at all if it won't be edited. There are thousands and thousands of young DPMs with terrible ROI on their educational debt (many not young ones also). At the least, maybe the Apma will get a bit of a wakeup call from the true data and stop opening new schools... before they have it "adjusted" to make a good recruiting tool for existing podiatry schools. Nonetheless, important work. 👍

Thanks Feli,
I appreciate you being willing to give this much information, even with your clear distrust. To which I say... fair... always good to have a healthy skepticism about the systems that be. If someone is out there saying they have your best interests at heart, that's something that need to be proven.

So yeah, much appreciated! Am I correct based on your footer block that I could attribute that data to New Mexico and that you finished residency/fellowships and entered post-training practice in 2013? I ask about the 2013 point as Years of Experience is one of the most important data points for me and I'd like to be able to attribute your salary information correctly to a YOE measure. I couldn't input it into the Marit systems of course, as I don't have anything even close to manual access to their systems, and they want to be careful about entering incomplete surveys for data integrity reasons. With that said, I can integrate it into the deidentified data in some way once we receive that post-data collection. It's imperfect, but at least it's a signal.

For what it's worth, there are multiple reports coming out of all of this from different sources. Marit is releasing a report based on this data, developed by their team, for general access. That report from Marit won't be going through any form of review or approval by APMA leadership, it's fully their own product. APMA is releasing a report with some specific deep dives for APMA members as part of membership benefits. We have MANY plans for questions that we can answer that we have received from members based on this data and so people will have access to products from this data in that way too over the next year. Finally, anyone who's filled out salary information can go to the Marit site, look up podiatrists, and see detailed summary statistics which are updated continually (though with a little lag for Marit's validation process, like a week maybe?) as new entries come in. Speaking as a statistician with experience digging into questionable "official statistics" released from various foreign governments *cough cough* Eurasian gold export figure post-Ukraine war that are definitely 100% NOT laundering of Russian gold *cough cough*, you can figure out a lot about how reliable official statistics are based on triangulating different sources if you really want to.

I point out all of that to say simply that results released from this can be interrogated by people outside of APMA or Marit. We're planning a pretty prompt release timeline so you should be able to see the results of all of this before too long.
Thank you again!

 

[Adam Smasher]

Hopefully after the project is done you can stick around and post memes. That's how we got the eye guy here ("oculopodiatry")

 

[sdupre_apma]

Hopefully after the project is done you can stick around and post memes. That's how we got the eye guy here ("oculopodiatry")

I'm not mentioning that specialty to my 6-year old daughter. She has a "fun" game she likes to play called "surprise foot face". I'm not a fan.

 

[Feli]

... you finished residency/fellowships and entered post-training practice in 2013? I ask about the 2013 point as Years of Experience is one of the most important data points for me ...

2012... we finish training June and usually start working July or Aug of same year.