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[doclm]

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Hello all,

At Scholl we had the APMA come by for a visitation yesterday. They spoke a little about the organization, the Young Members Program, and PPAC. Although, they didn't go into any details about legislation being passed, they mentioned a couple of things that they have been working on this past year. Does anyone know what they are currently working on? Also, a question of universal scope was brought up by one of our students, and they replyed that they don't see this happening anytime in our near future, it was an issue with each state. So, is that 2015 resolution just a pipe dream or what?

Also, I am assuming that the APMA is a private organization that only gets funding from students and DPM's. Because they tried to convince us to donate $$$ to their organization. Personally, I thought that the $300 or more that came out of my tuition for this first year was enough for all the other organizations, which I thought included the APMA.

Does anyone know if the AMA works this way also? Do they only get $$$ from students and MD's? 😕

What about the ADA or the AOA?

 

[Ski Bum]

they weren't asking money to donate to APMA, they were asking you to support PPAC by making a donation ($20). Over the past 5+ years students have shown initiative to become more actively involved in issues that will ultimately affect all of us and a simple way to help with that is with the legislative issues. Your dues you paid, which you saw on your tuition bill, were for APMSA ($55 ?).

The apma does generate non-dues income through corporate sponsorship and other venues.

hope this helps, let me know if you have anymore questions

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Bingo. All of the political issues that PPAC initiates is supported by students and pods.

We can start another thread on PPAC b/c I'm not impressed by any of their inviates. I give $40 a year but feel I'd might be better served by putting it on black in Vegas.

 

[doclm]

they weren't asking money to donate to APMA, they were asking you to support PPAC by making a donation ($20). Over the past 5+ years students have shown initiative to become more actively involved in issues that will ultimately affect all of us and a simple way to help with that is with the legislative issues. Your dues you paid, which you saw on your tuition bill, were for APMSA ($55 ?).

The apma does generate non-dues income through corporate sponsorship and other venues.

hope this helps, let me know if you have anymore questions

Yeah, I only paid $50 to the APMSA. I assumed the other charges where from the same thing. ($63 for the IPMSA, $160 to student council, and $145 to the administrative fee)

Thanks a lot for the response. I am glad to see that the APMA get other income from larger corporate sources. I think that we need to have great lobbying power like the AMA and AOA. I absolutely believe that all of us need to try as hard as we can to attain that goal.

Well, I guess this could be a good question now. What can we as Podiatry students do to help resolve certain political issues and pave the way for a bright future for DPM's? (As for me, besides $$)

However, I surely wouldn't mind to see the classmates that drive a new lexus or BMW pitch in some of their pocket change. Or the students who pay the entire years tuition out of their checking accounts before classes start. I may be getting off subject, but I am amazed to see what these students are driving. 😱 Their parents are taking better care of them now, then they will be able to take care of themselves as doctors.

 

[gustydoc]

Yeah, I only paid $50 to the APMSA. I assumed the other charges where from the same thing. ($63 for the IPMSA, $160 to student council, and $145 to the administrative fee)

Thanks a lot for the response. I am glad to see that the APMA get other income from larger corporate sources. I think that we need to have great lobbying power like the AMA and AOA. I absolutely believe that all of us need to try as hard as we can to attain that goal.

Well, I guess this could be a good question now. What can we as Podiatry students do to help resolve certain political issues and pave the way for a bright future for DPM's? (As for me, besides $$)

However, I surely wouldn't mind to see the classmates that drive a new lexus or BMW pitch in some of their pocket change. Or the students who pay the entire years tuition out of their checking accounts before classes start. I may be getting off subject, but I am amazed to see what these students are driving. 😱 Their parents are taking better care of them now, then they will be able to take care of themselves as doctors.

The best way to initiate student driven change is through the APMSA or your student body President. If you are interested in being active in issues important to your fellow students you should really consider running for one of these positions, if you guys at Scholl haven't already had elections. Biannually at the APMSA House of Delegates meetings, the student representatives have the opportunity to have a direct dialog with the APMA as well as all of the other important organizations within podiatry. Get in touch with your student body Pres. Her name is Diane Koshimune and she is actually the chair of the council of Presidents. I am sure she would love to fill you in on what we are currently working on as well as give you info on how to get involved. It's nice to hear that new pod students want to be involved, good luck. 👍

 

[krabmas]

if you would like to do something instead of donating money and more directly involved, contact the state association for podiatry inthe state you go to school in or your home state and find out if they lobby the state legislature. Ask if you can join them.

NYCPM does this every year. Students go to Albany to lobby for podiatry - scope increase and other issues.

If you get involved in the APMSA and PPAC you may have the chance to lobby the federal legislature.

 

[JEWmongous]

Hey, did any of you go to the Vegas Conference? Was there anything addressed about the podiatric colleges, creating a uniform scope of practice by 2015, and the like? Did any special resolutions get passed?

Krabmas, I read that the NYCPM students are involved in Albany fighting for the rights of pods. I tthink that is really cool. I read online that this year the NY congress rejected legislation to increase the scope to the ankle but it was rejected. Is this something that happens every year (NY pods create a bill to increase scope and its rejected)??? Why do you think the scope is so limited in NY compared to other states (no surgery at or above the maleoli)? Any idea if they will ever successfully increase the scope? Has the NYCPM been successful in legislation that benefits NY podiatrists, students, residents, etc? Thanks again for your help!

 

[krabmas]

Hey, did any of you go to the Vegas Conference? Was there anything addressed about the podiatric colleges, creating a uniform scope of practice by 2015, and the like? Did any special resolutions get passed?

Krabmas, I read that the NYCPM students are involved in Albany fighting for the rights of pods. I tthink that is really cool. I read online that this year the NY congress rejected legislation to increase the scope to the ankle but it was rejected. Is this something that happens every year (NY pods create a bill to increase scope and its rejected)??? Why do you think the scope is so limited in NY compared to other states (no surgery at or above the maleoli)? Any idea if they will ever successfully increase the scope? Has the NYCPM been successful in legislation that benefits NY podiatrists, students, residents, etc? Thanks again for your help!

the answer to this is long and political but I will do my best to answer.
1st - scope in NY - foot only talus and south. not even soft tissue above talus - no ankle sprains. we have half a joint.

pods have gotten a few things passed but usually minor in nature compared to scope.

anything that pods want in NY the legislators ask what the med society thinks. The med society also lobbies for their well being. If the orthopods say no then the med society says no to our scope increase. The orthopods also continuously misrepresent the pod post grad education.

It is also a numbers game - there are 26,000 MDs in NY and 1200 pods. There are more MDs in NY than pods in the country 20X. the money donated from MDs can not be matched by pods. shear numbers. THis is one good reason to donate to PPAC.

I hope this answers some of your question.

If anyone else has anything else to add go for it.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

The resolution may work. They are following the formula set by the DO is the 70s. But there is a lot of give and take. Podiatry schools and the APMA will lose power and automy. So I would comment it passin until I see more support by some of the big wigs.

 

[krabmas]

The resolution may work. They are following the formula set by the DO is the 70s. But there is a lot of give and take. Podiatry schools and the APMA will lose power and automy. So I would comment it passin until I see more support by some of the big wigs.

what are you talking about?

are you in the same conversation , feelgood? did you miss the cowbell and hit your head?

 

[whiskers]

I will be completely honest on this issue, as a student in podiatry school, I will be the first to admit that my education is not the equal or any where the equal of even a sub par medical education.

Let me be more clear. I know the foot and ankle. I am a podiatrist.

It is very sad in my opinion that the REAL proponents of this profession don't spend more energy on increasing the academic standards at all of the schools.

It's also my opinion that the profession needs more advocates who are less concerned with having their names and faces plastered in every one of the glam and glitz mags and updates that are produced by the podiatry machine.

There seem to be way too many who are more concerned with self-promotion than with genuine professional advancement.

 

[discusdan]

I will be completely honest on this issue, as a student in podiatry school, I will be the first to admit that my education is not the equal or any where the equal of even a sub par medical education.

Let me be more clear. I know the foot and ankle. I am a podiatrist.

It is very sad in my opinion that the REAL proponents of this profession don't spend more energy on increasing the academic standards at all of the schools.

It's also my opinion that the profession needs more advocates who are less concerned with having their names and faces plastered in every one of the glam and glitz mags and updates that are produced by the podiatry machine.

There seem to be way too many who are more concerned with self-promotion than with genuine professional advancement.

What Podiatry school are you currently attending?

 

[JEWmongous]

Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks Krabmas. The NY scope is very limited but you still learn about the above the talus, right? Ankles and such?

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I will be completely honest on this issue, as a student in podiatry school, I will be the first to admit that my education is not the equal or any where the equal of even a sub par medical education.

Let me be more clear. I know the foot and ankle. I am a podiatrist.

It is very sad in my opinion that the REAL proponents of this profession don't spend more energy on increasing the academic standards at all of the schools.

It's also my opinion that the profession needs more advocates who are less concerned with having their names and faces plastered in every one of the glam and glitz mags and updates that are produced by the podiatry machine.

There seem to be way too many who are more concerned with self-promotion than with genuine professional advancement.

Part of the resolution is a more uniform and stronger education. Do you think that the AMA is going to allow programs w/ rogue education standards?

Your assessment of self promotion is screwed. The basis of our economic system is self promotion. So is capitalism, and all pods benefit from self promoters. I have my issues w/ Armstrong but he is an excellent promoter of the profession. I cannot say that anyone does it better. The man would have been successful selling ice cubes to Eskimos b/c he is self motivated.

You stated that the profession is leaders and followers but that is true everywhere? What other classification is there leaders, followers, and people who hang out and do nothing???

 

[krabmas]

Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks Krabmas. The NY scope is very limited but you still learn about the above the talus, right? Ankles and such?

you learn the theory and text book about above but not much of treating for students since it is out of scope.

 

[whiskers]

Part of the resolution is a more uniform and stronger education. Do you think that the AMA is going to allow programs w/ rogue education standards?

Your assessment of self promotion is screwed. The basis of our economic system is self promotion. So is capitalism, and all pods benefit from self promoters. I have my issues w/ Armstrong but he is an excellent promoter of the profession. I cannot say that anyone does it better. The man would have been successful selling ice cubes to Eskimos b/c he is self motivated.

You stated that the profession is leaders and followers but that is true everywhere? What other classification is there leaders, followers, and people who hang out and do nothing???

I have to agree, alhtough conditionally, self promotion when not accompanied by other psychosocial dysfunction(s) is benign.

Maybe the bounty program will help some of the devilish providers to be more honest? Self promotion and dishonesty probably aren't ideal character traits to combine outside of a cage.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2005/12/19/story2.html

 

[AZPOD Rocks]

I will be completely honest on this issue, as a student in podiatry school, I will be the first to admit that my education is not the equal or any where the equal of even a sub par medical education.

Let me be the first to say that my education at AZPOD is every bit as good as the "medical" education provided elsewhere. Its association with the top DO school in the country (AZCOM) show that we are learning at the same level. AZCOM students consistently take and pass the USMLE (MD boards) in addition to the COMLEX (DO boards) with enough success to gain residencies in neurosurgery, dermatology, plastics, emergency medicine, etc. AZPOD students this year have consistently had a higher percentage of 100% on tests than our DO student compadres, so I think we are doing pretty well.

I certainly cannot speak for the education of other podiatric medical schools, but AZPOD students are in "medical school." When I am asked what I do, I respond, "I am a medical student at Midwestern University." Around here, the response is usually, "Which one, osteopathic or podiatic?" To which I answer, "Podiatric."

Sometimes, someone hasn't heard of MWU (or DO's or DPM's). To these people, I say, "MWU has 2 medical schools... an osteopathic medical school and a podiatric medical school. I attend the podiatric medical school."

When the DO students are asked they almost never say, "I am in an osteopathic school." I don't know why we feel fixated on the term "podiatry school." At the very least, it should be "podiatric medical school." This terminology, alone, if used faithfully by students, residents, and practicing DPM's would go a long way in furthering our quest to be better represented and understood in the medical and non-medical community.

AZPOD Rocks (Podiatric Medical Student)

 

[whiskers]

Let me be the first to say that my education at AZPOD is every bit as good as the "medical" education provided elsewhere. Its association with the top DO school in the country (AZCOM) show that we are learning at the same level. AZCOM students consistently take and pass the USMLE (MD boards) in addition to the COMLEX (DO boards) with enough success to gain residencies in neurosurgery, dermatology, plastics, emergency medicine, etc. AZPOD students this year have consistently had a higher percentage of 100% on tests than our DO student compadres, so I think we are doing pretty well.

I certainly cannot speak for the education of other podiatric medical schools, but AZPOD students are in "medical school." When I am asked what I do, I respond, "I am a medical student at Midwestern University." Around here, the response is usually, "Which one, osteopathic or podiatic?" To which I answer, "Podiatric."

Sometimes, someone hasn't heard of MWU (or DO's or DPM's). To these people, I say, "MWU has 2 medical schools... an osteopathic medical school and a podiatric medical school. I attend the podiatric medical school."

When the DO students are asked they almost never say, "I am in an osteopathic school." I don't know why we feel fixated on the term "podiatry school." At the very least, it should be "podiatric medical school." This terminology, alone, if used faithfully by students, residents, and practicing DPM's would go a long way in furthering our quest to be better represented and understood in the medical and non-medical community.

AZPOD Rocks (Podiatric Medical Student)

I agree with your post. I feel that the better podiatry schools offer a great education comparable with a medical education.

Although I would love to make a similar claim about my educational experiences, I simply will say that I feel that my education hasn't even been on par with what I'd expect of a nursing education. It's a very sad reality, for me, but one that I feel needs to be addressed before the profession can properly advance to the next level.

I don't think it is prudent for the profession as a whole to ignore this, because I don't think it will simply go away.

 

[IlizaRob]

I agree with your post. I feel that the better podiatry schools offer a great education comparable with a medical education.

Although I would love to make a similar claim about my educational experiences, I simply will say that I feel that my education hasn't even been on par with what I'd expect of a nursing education. It's a very sad reality, for me, but one that I feel needs to be addressed before the profession can properly advance to the next level.

I don't think it is prudent for the profession as a whole to ignore this, because I don't think it will simply go away.

That is something that 2015 will attempt to address. Whiskers, just curious. Are you actively trying to do something about these issues that you feel so passionately about or do you just blow them off here on SDN?