applicant misrepresentation.

[stephew]

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sorry i cant upload the PDF- too large.

 

[Doctor&Geek]

sorry i cant upload the PDF- too large.

Problem solved.

http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~paik/jacr.pdf

 

[f_w]

I find the correlation between USMLE >235 and lying particularly disturbing.

 

[radonc]

I find the correlation between USMLE >235 and lying particularly disturbing.

i agree with the above. overall, it is a very interesting article, and actually, pretty funny.

 

[Gfunk6]

Interesting article -- I actually have personally met all the authors. Small world!

Most interesting statement in the article,

There was a significant relationship of United States Medical Licensing Examination score with publication misrepresentation, in which those with scores of 235 or greater who listed publications were more than 7 timesmore likely to have inaccurately listed citations (odds ratio, 7.67; 95% confidence interval, 1.12-52.31; p = 0.04).

 

[f_w]

Beware of gunners !

 

[CNphair]

Very interesting...this was for a 2004 spot. My guess is that things have probably only gotten worse.

I am not surprised though. This may be the only field that makes applicants with 240 + USMLEs feel inadequate.

 

[stephew]

why be disturbed by the correlation of a higher usmle and the finding? I think most folks here would agree the numbers dont mean a thing about your ability to be a good doc.

I would only be disturbed by the emphasis that can be placed on absurdly high USMLEs to the exclusion of other things- which can happen. fortunately, in my experience, i see programs often really look beyond the numbers. on the other hand, when there are so many good folks, its easy to find more than enough stars out there who shine on paper as well in real life.

 

[f_w]

Well, you would think that the people with the better scores would have less reason to embellish their achievements. But it seems like it is just this group of pathologic multiple choice jockeys that are so insecure and narcicistic that they have to make up papers or move their name up in the author lineup.

 

[deleted4401]

I find it fascinating that it's the higher score people that tend to cheat. Counterintuitive. Maybe, though, it's the higher score people who suddenly "realized" what a great field this is and didn't have the papers to back it up. Maybe people who knew about the field before hand diligently worked on research and managed respectable, but not gargantuan board scores.

Another thought ... most of the top places interview the same people. And a lot of the bottom places do, as well. I wonder if the low/mid tier programs actively exclude the hot-shot applicants. Very unlike internal medicine, for example.

Steph, I know this may be info you can't share, but do you know the average score on Step 1 of your new residents?

-S

 

[stephew]

Well, you would think that the people with the better scores would have less reason to embellish their achievements. But it seems like it is just this group of pathologic multiple choice jockeys that are so insecure and narcicistic that they have to make up papers or move their name up in the author lineup.

i see youre point there.

As for harvard no i don't happen to know the median or mean but I will tell you I have reviewed applications of those accepted for interview with scores in the just passing range (180's) through the 99th percentile and in the recent era there are those who have been accepted with scores far below what you likely would imagine. For privacy's sake I wont be more specific

 

[RonaldColeman]

i see youre point there.

As for harvard no i don't happen to know the median or mean but I will tell you I have reviewed applications of those accepted for interview with scores in the just passing range (180's) through the 99th percentile and in the recent era there are those who have been accepted with scores far below what you likely would imagine. For privacy's sake I wont be more specific

How about the highest score you saw this year? 🙂 That would be interesting.

 

[deleted4401]

Somebody got into my account. Left it on last night. Geez, I just read that post and my heart dropped. 'Wtf' is right.

-S

 

[f_w]

Just tell us you don't want to tell us. I would be satisfied, then. Privacy is big in the ivy leagues. It's what kept the Jews out for many years. Not saying you or Harvard are anti-semitic. Just using an example of the meritocracy preserving their sense of purity, that's all.

Wtf?

 

[stephew]

this will be looked into.

 

[Impressions]

Somebody got into my account. Left it on last night.
-S

Right. I know when I'm out trying to causing trouble, I prefer to find a logged-in computer, get on the SDN forums, and do whatever I can to sabotage careers. It's great fun.

 

[bigfrank]

Right. I know when I'm out trying to causing trouble, I prefer to find a logged-in computer, get on the SDN forums, and do whatever I can to sabotage careers. It's great fun.

Especially when the post was at the same time as other daily posts by SimulD and contained very similar writing styles.

Perhaps EtOH was involved, no?

 

[deleted4401]

I really don't know what's going on. People on this forum have met me, and I wouldn't say something like that. I'm embarrassed about this. Why would you think that I would write something like that? I'm really sorry that you all would think that about me. I've asked Steph to look and see what IP address was logged in. It shouldn't be hard to figure out. I use a lot of public computers. That statement contains "hate" language, and that just isn't me.
-S

 

[Gfunk6]

Jeez guys no need to stir up trouble. I've used plenty of public computers over the past year or so and have been very chagrined when I return to them and see that I'm still "logged in." It could happen to anybody.

and do whatever I can to sabotage careers . . .

Come on now, let's keep things in perspective. It was just a stupid comment on an anonymous message board.

Especially when the post was at the same time as other daily posts by SimulD and contained very similar writing styles.

My, my how times have changed you. Ever since you matched the tone of your posts have become condescending. And your efforts to "research" people's past posts on SDN border somewhere between plain creepy and obsessive. I pretty much expect you to look back into my own post history and pull one of my 500+ posts out of context to expose my hypocrisy. Chill out!

That statement contains "hate" language, and that just isn't me.

Damn straight. I've met you and you were one of the nicest and humblest on the trail. I will absolutely give you the benefit of the doubt and so should everyone else.

 

[bigfrank]

That's completely untrue and unfair! My posts have always been on the condescending side.

😉

 

[stephew]

ok kids. This stops right here. Simu has been nothing but a good community member who I would hold responsilble for nothing more than not signing out of his account unless I had information to tell me definitive otherwise. Furthermore, this isnt the lounge. I expect people to comply with terms of use here which include not flamming/insulting other users.