Applied for 13 years, #1 loser! Beat that!!

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Well it is official now, I have applied to med school for 13 years and have succeeded in being the greatest med school applicant failure alive, #1 loser, beat that! Besides the large cost I incurred I realized a lot about who they actually let into medical school...Like the rich kid that I had to call out for physically abusing a cadaver and calling her a b-----; they let that jock bully in without hesitation because he was preppy looking, most importantly was from a rich family, and was at least on paper a team player (football & groupthink).

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of worthy med students, but it's sad that so many awful ones get in because of privelege & the medical industrial complex's need for non-independent thinkers to go along with their quest for gold. Well that was therapeutic to get that out there, although definitely not an uplifting post (so sorry if you were looking for that). Maybe when I get some more money I will not waste it applying to medical school & spend it trying to emulate my rich overloads that look down on me for not being born privileged. Bring forth the bullies.
 
allthingz said:
Well it is official now, I have applied to med school for 13 years and have succeeded in being the greatest med school applicant failure alive, #1 loser, beat that! Besides the large cost I incurred I realized a lot about who they actually let into medical school...Like the rich kid that I had to call out for physically abusing a cadaver and calling her a b-----; they let that jock bully in without hesitation because he was preppy looking, most importantly was from a rich family, and was at least on paper a team player (football & groupthink).

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of worthy med students, but it's sad that so many awful ones get in because of privelege & the medical industrial complex's need for non-independent thinkers to go along with their quest for gold. Well that was therapeutic to get that out there, although definitely not an uplifting post (so sorry if you were looking for that). Maybe when I get some more money I will not waste it applying to medical school & spend it trying to emulate my rich overloads that look down on me for not being born privileged. Bring forth the bullies.
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Right, most schools don't even consider you after 3 attempts
 
You sound very well adjusted. I'm surprised you didn't get in.
 
I improved on everything the admins said was lacking, every application cycle, didn't make a difference. As far as my attitude, or lack of adjustment, this is how I have adjusted to years of rejection unfortunately. I would suspect anyone might feel animosity in the face of such prolonged failure. Sorry to troll, but if I can not voice my frustration with the medical admissions process here then what is the point of this website beyond vanity & trading insults. My voice is heard, peace.
 
I'm sorry, but there was clearly something VERY wrong with your application, if they did not let you in after 13 years. You would think that in that amount of time you would have moved to Texas, restarted undergrad, and taken that approach. Either your stats were terrible, or you made some bad impressions in those first few years.
 
I won’t rant on the impact of social/monetary status on GPA, & presumably MCAT score when masking is eliminated, I’m sure Kaplan & the like could provide those stats.

Several points above average on all MCAT sections, magna cum laude, neither of which means anything more than your school’s grading & ability to impress professors. Am I competitive at med schools? Obviously not & I own that failure.

I have taught many medical students, & time & time again they are privileged. A system attracted to the shiniest top in our society, a system that loves money & its offspring at the expense of the rest of the populous, is a fundamental problem (chicken & egg style).

My application has realistically been picked apart hundreds of times. I have every extracurricular medical thing out there. I’ve had a lot of time to collect and pay for them all too (no dozens of humanitarian tourist trips abroad though$$$$). I helped run a free clinic here at home for heaven's sake, what gives! Does that make me too liberal or something, i.e. not going to be able to cohabitate in the capitalist reality of medicine?

Unless you had the most charmed & well-adjusted life, or went to the be$t schools, applying to Medical School feels like gambling with a house that's only letting their friends win (or if you pay them enough they'll let you pretend you won).

I could've spent those 13 years doing many things, & going many places with all that $$$$$ I wasted on med school; things and places I too can only imagine now. The real problem is that I started too far down & had too much faith in a medical school admissions complex that wanted my money more than they wanted anyone like me. I was a shiny dollar bill without a chance, a shining example of a fool.

Dedicating my life in opposition to medical schools and the medical industrial complex seems somewhat logical (or at least madly poetic) at this point. At least if I succeed in that some people might give less of their life savings to doctors.

Wrong impressions? If only people were that honest & forthcoming I would not have wasted my time.

& if I’m a Troll for posting my impressions of medical school admissions after all this time, then show me a bridge & I’ll gladly climb under it with all my friends!!!
 
allthingz said:
I won’t rant on the impact of social/monetary status on GPA, & presumably MCAT score when masking is eliminated, I’m sure Kaplan & the like could provide those stats.
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If I hadn't just gotten home from my real exciting job washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant I'd certainly agree with you. Being a broke redneck from a village in Alaska didn't keep me from earning a 4.0 postbac and subsequently getting more than enough medical school acceptances. You need to come up with a better set of excuses.
 
No excuses necessary & good for you, seriously that is difficult. You surely impressed.
 
allthingz said:
I won’t rant on the impact of social/monetary status on GPA, & presumably MCAT score when masking is eliminated, I’m sure Kaplan & the like could provide those stats.

Several points above average on all MCAT sections, magna cum laude, neither of which means anything more than your school’s grading & ability to impress professors. Am I competitive at med schools? Obviously not & I own that failure.

I have taught many medical students, & time & time again they are privileged. A system attracted to the shiniest top in our society, a system that loves money & its offspring at the expense of the rest of the populous, is a fundamental problem (chicken & egg style).

My application has realistically been picked apart hundreds of times. I have every extracurricular medical thing out there. I’ve had a lot of time to collect and pay for them all too (no dozens of humanitarian tourist trips abroad though$$$$). I helped run a free clinic here at home for heaven's sake, what gives! Does that make me too liberal or something, i.e. not going to be able to cohabitate in the capitalist reality of medicine?

Unless you had the most charmed & well-adjusted life, or went to the be$t schools, applying to Medical School feels like gambling with a house that's only letting their friends win (or if you pay them enough they'll let you pretend you won).
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As someone who graduated high school thinking I couldn't afford to go to college, and 15 years later am finally pursuing my dream of trying to get to medical school....your attitude seems to be your biggest impediment to getting into school, not your stats or ECs.

In 13 years you could have retaken all of your courses a few times over and have a perfect 4.0 for your DO GPA, so I'm not sure what would be holding you back other than your interview skills. Maybe you could have a faculty member or doctor conduct a mock interview and have an interview coach review it to give you pointers.

I'm sure you haven't applied to all MD and DO schools every time for all 13 years. I don't know what state you're in, but if it's CA, that's a big reason why as well. Spend some time reading on here, the people are great and give good advice, but your first post just came off as condescending...and so did your last one.

Here in the non-trad forum are people who have been beaten down by life more than most, and still continue to pursue their dreams. I'd have to say 95% are not upper-middle class, and yet still manage to find success. I wish you luck if you choose to continue your journey...but you might want to remove that burr from under your saddle before you start to ride again.
 
wait... do some of you not realize this guy is trolling? do you really think he's just making an SDN account NOW??? after 13 years? he would have had to take the mcat 3 or 4 times just to keep an eligible test date. OP - good job. this trolling run lasted much longer than I expected.

for future reference for all you gullible folks:

very low post count + absolutely ridiculous story = troll
 
let's be real. if what are saying is true and you improved every year for 13 years, you are either the world's biggest douche, or you are so socially awkward you can't hold a conversation. Either way, there is not a bone in my body that believes you.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
let's be real. if what are saying is true and you improved every year for 13 years, you are either the world's biggest douche, or you are so socially awkward you can't hold a conversation. Either way, there is not a bone in my body that believes you.
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Any other part of the musculoskeletal system with belief?

While we are on this topic, can someone please explain to me the rational and logic behind a troll? Do people really have so much free time that they search out forums to elicit responses to entertain their pathetic lives?
 
HesyRa said:
While we are on this topic, can someone please explain to me the rational and logic behind a troll? Do people really have so much free time that they search out forums to elicit responses to entertain their pathetic lives?
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No clue either, but I know ppl like this in real life. Kinda reminds me when you see a kid doing something like kicking the back of someone's chair and won't stop, just cuz he knows it's annoying.
 
It's sad that you would think that only the rich get accepted into medical school. I honestly do not believe that you have met the criteria if you've applied 13 times and got rejected each time (and by every school you applied to).
 
Yeah, but just think of the tax deductions!
 
I know some people who've been rejected many, many years in a row... but they only applied to their favorite 1 or 2 schools. 🙄 :laugh:
Regardless of troll, privileged kids are not the only ones who get into medical school. Many of us grew up in the lower income bracket. Stop generalizing.
 
Name calling and arguing the contrapositive do not disprove a statement about who primarily gets into medical school. By that logic everything is a generalization to be disregarded, i.e. abdominal pain & name your favorite differential would mean nothing, which in a way it does without the definitive proof. By your logic I would need a necrotic appendix in hand to suggest anything. How could you make decisions at all? Or wouldn't you?

I merely am speaking from my experience over the years. I don't mean to show condescension per say & apologize for any interpretation of such towards any individual. Medicine is greatly controlled by the well-adjusted-well-todo in our society and they favor (not exclusively) people they view as similar to themselves. Everyone else better fall in line, stop doubting their supremacy, & start emulating them or you aren't good enough for their club. To voice that concern is viewed as a character flaw? That is sad.
 
By "well-adjusted", are you referring to people who don't have a criminal record?
 
allthingz said:
I merely am speaking from my experience over the years. I don't mean to show condescension per say & apologize for any interpretation of such towards any individual. Medicine is greatly controlled by the well-adjusted-well-todo in our society and they favor (not exclusively) people they view as similar to themselves. Everyone else better fall in line, stop doubting their supremacy, & start emulating them or you aren't good enough for their club. To voice that concern is viewed as a character flaw? That is sad.
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The first part of the comment makes no sense and the second part is just plain wrong. Medicine is a field where people trust you with theirlife and you are saying they should let you handle drugs, care for patients, cut apart living beings, experiment on them and it is ok if you aren't "well-adjusted-well-todo?" if yes, then i couldn't agree more. that is just stupid. and as far falling in line, life is a game. sometimes you have to play the game no matter what the situation is and if you can't do that, you shouldn't be in medicine. clearly you can't show compassion for your patients, express empathy, listen and keep your mouth shut, the list goes on. if what you are saying is true (and i still don't believe you), you shouldn't be in medicine and thank god they rejected you for 13 straight years.

and as far as people not being accepted because they don't fit the "cookie cutter mold" of medicine, you are completely off base and clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am very overweight, married with children, wear faded and torn jeans every day, rarely shave, and have full sleeve tattoos and i am very well known and accepted around campus by students and faculty. i even hold a pretty high elected class position and active around campus in leadership roles. so if you aren't accepted into the club, it sounds like it is your problem and not theirs because if i can be accepted, anyone can.
 
allthingz said:
Medicine is greatly controlled by the well-adjusted-well-todo in our society and they favor (not exclusively) people they view as similar to themselves. Everyone else better fall in line, stop doubting their supremacy, & start emulating them or you aren't good enough for their club. To voice that concern is viewed as a character flaw? That is sad.
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I would've gone with

"You truly have a dizzying intellect" -man in black, princess bride

but good job for putting me down for speaking my mind about medical admissions on a forum devoted to such.

Sorry it took so much restraint Neurospeed. Now on with the mob mentality! Your name calling truly is dizzying.
 
Not to mention your misuse of pop icon media, wow, so effective at making a point?

You deserve to be #1.
 
allthingz said:
but good job for putting me down for speaking my mind about medical admissions on a forum devoted to such.
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Don't take it personally. The nontrad forum is an excellent source of information that has helped hundreds of people get into medical school, myself included. When trolls such as yourself make wildly inaccurate claims, we have to call them out and prove them wrong before someone else who doesn't know better believes them. To you it may seem rude, but to everyone else it's quality control. Now go back under your bridge or the pre-allo forum, whichever is closer.
 
13 years? Ohh ma gawddddd thats a decade. Ok, u are a troll.
 
And what about the Carib med schools? You should have considered them after your 5th-6th year of application...
 
Please continue the name calling if you think it "proves" anything but your ignorance. I don't take it personal that you lack the will to question anything, and that you refuse to hear any criticism of the system. Wouldn't you like to see a better more inclusive system?

I spoke my mind about the medical admissions system I experience. In my opinion it favors the well-todo. This whole conversation makes me question the quality of the people on this website as a whole (especially if "chip n sawbones" is the quality control, ha). Who runs this thing anyway?

Maybe I should've tried a Carib medical school, would've been very expensive & risky in my opinion & not so compatible with any kind of home life.

Now I leave the floor open to any of the real trolls that wish to sling insults. How about some or any proof to counter my claim? Or is it easier to just call me names & attack me personally than make a point?
 
allthingz said:
Please continue the name calling if you think it "proves" anything but your ignorance. I don't take it personal that you lack the will to question anything, and that you refuse to hear any criticism of the system. Wouldn't you like to see a better more inclusive system?

I spoke my mind about the medical admissions system I experience. In my opinion it favors the well-todo. This whole conversation makes me question the quality of the people on this website as a whole (especially if "chip n sawbones" is the quality control, ha). Who runs this thing anyway?

Maybe I should've tried a Carib medical school, would've been very expensive & risky in my opinion & not so compatible with any kind of home life.

Now I leave the floor open to any of the real trolls that wish to sling insults. How about some or any proof to counter my claim? Or is it easier to just call me names & attack me personally than make a point?
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It's hard to make a "more inclusive" system since there are X seats and X + Y applicants. Either way, Y people aren't getting accepted.

Being rich, smart, good looking, etc. will always give you an advantage. Better to accept it now and understand you'll have to work harder if you lack one or more of these qualities (for medicine, smart > rich > good looking for importance). There is no realistic way to give everyone an equal chance and take finances out of the equation.
 
I normally hate troll threads, thinking of them as a pointless waste of time, but sometimes the rebuttals make it totally worth it....

:laugh:

Will you marry me, Chip?

Chip N Sawbones said:
Don't take it personally. The nontrad forum is an excellent source of information that has helped hundreds of people get into medical school, myself included. When trolls such as yourself make wildly inaccurate claims, we have to call them out and prove them wrong before someone else who doesn't know better believes them. To you it may seem rude, but to everyone else it's quality control. Now go back under your bridge or the pre-allo forum, whichever is closer.
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wholeheartedly said:
I normally hate troll threads, thinking of them as a pointless waste of time, but sometimes the rebuttals make it totally worth it....

:laugh:

Will you marry me, Chip?
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I really do appreciate the offer, but you need to realize that my long-term goal is to work on the Africa Mercy, a hospital ship that provides free medical care to people in West Africa who could otherwise never afford it. Unless you want to live in a small room on a crowded ship tied to a dock in a smelly, impoverished country, you might want to reconsider. Oh, and I won't be getting paid either. The crew is all volunteers, from the dishwashers to the captain to the plastic surgeons.
 
Chip N Sawbones said:
I really do appreciate the offer, but you need to realize that my long-term goal is to work on the Africa Mercy, a hospital ship that provides free medical care to people in West Africa who could otherwise never afford it. Unless you want to live in a small room on a crowded ship tied to a dock in a smelly, impoverished country, you might want to reconsider. Oh, and I won't be getting paid either. The crew is all volunteers, from the dishwashers to the captain to the plastic surgeons.
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Actually I'm doing a global health concentration with my MPH, because i'm very interested in stuff like that. I almost signed up be a clinical lab scientist on a ship like that. My only financial concern is paying off debt. So that actually sounds like a great plan, except I happen to get very sea sick. I'll stick to MSF. Oh well, worth a shot :laugh:
 
allthingz said:
Please continue the name calling if you think it "proves" anything but your ignorance. I don't take it personal that you lack the will to question anything, and that you refuse to hear any criticism of the system. Wouldn't you like to see a better more inclusive system?

I spoke my mind about the medical admissions system I experience. In my opinion it favors the well-todo. This whole conversation makes me question the quality of the people on this website as a whole (especially if "chip n sawbones" is the quality control, ha). Who runs this thing anyway?

Maybe I should've tried a Carib medical school, would've been very expensive & risky in my opinion & not so compatible with any kind of home life.

Now I leave the floor open to any of the real trolls that wish to sling insults. How about some or any proof to counter my claim? Or is it easier to just call me names & attack me personally than make a point?
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Um, look. If yours isn't a troll post, I really think your situation requires guidance beyond what can be give here. A thirteen year run of zip for love from any school does seem a little, well, out there--even if you were employing Einstein's definition of insanity. Who here would even begin to know how to advise you? I'm not even sure Lizzy would be able to advise you. Seriously.
 
From what I can deduce troll posts are anything "they" find agitating or would prefer not asked. It seems that when schools, or groups, suppress individuals & voices they find agitating it creates a reverberation chamber were no one can question or point out anything beyond the status quo. In medicine this kind of mentality kills people with more examples than space...

I appreciate your assessment of my application on a personal basis. Einstein's theory of insanity is poignant emotionally, but I've made significant changes each time & have gotten the standard instate interview on occasion. I have doubts that anyone or any medical student could relate to my experience at this point. I agree it is beyond the scope of this website to advise me.

I do wish someone would've told me years ago that being different or creative were often looked down upon in medicine. I wish somebody would've told me that if I didn't embody a conservative personality & look, that I was not going to have an equal chance at getting into an MD school. I wish they would've explained to me the hard reality of class in this country.

Most of my adult life & available money have been dedicated to becoming a medical student & helping the people I felt were under served; individuals & groups that where I live are downright hated & literally beaten or harassed in the streets by conservative bullies. Who knows how that affected my standing in the eyes of the local admissions people (a liberal activist in a conservative state).

I have the rest of my life to figure out how to impart any change on a system I view as extremely corrupt & nepotistic. I hope no one else is made to experience my example.
 
allthingz said:
I do wish someone would've told me years ago that being different or creative were often looked down upon in medicine. I wish somebody would've told me that if I didn't embody a conservative personality & look, that I was not going to have an equal chance at getting into an MD school. I wish they would've explained to me the hard reality of class in this country.
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It took you the entire 13 years to figure out that one shouldn't wear torn jeans, chucks, and gauges to a med school interview? (I know this is not you literally, just figuratively) Discrimination against being unkempt is not a class discrimination. The kid with parents who earn over half a million dollars a year still isn't getting into medical school with a blue mohawk, cargo shorts, and vans at the interview. You're not interviewing for a job at Google.

Maybe you should be allowed into medical school looking/dressing/behaving however you want, but i can see how someone might have reservations about a student who won't even clean up for an interview (what your post implied). The last two years of medical school plus your residency you're working with patients who look at you as a professional. If the admissions committee felt that patients wouldn't trust you or they'd be embarrassed to have you on their team because of your look, or they just felt like you weren't a team player because you couldn't "conform" for a few hours, I can see how they wouldn't admit you.

I have several friends who got into good medical schools including Harvard because they are creative and different. One was a successful musician in a rock band and the other was a visual artist. Neither were conformists, but for one day, they sucked it up, put on their suit and got into medical school.
 
I personally know a DVM/PhD that applied to vet school for 12 years before getting accepted. And no one should expect that people, especially pre-med types, would admit this.

As for who gets accepted to med school according to AAMC's own data, applicants with parents with either an MD, PhD or both, have a 70-80% acceptance rate. And I think it's naive to think that's a coincidence as this is true for many other professions too, Law comes to mind.

All that said, I'm sure the OP's bitterness about the "process" comes across in interviews.
 
TheTao said:
As for who gets accepted to med school according to AAMC's own data, applicants with parents with either an MD, PhD or both, have a 70-80% acceptance rate. And I think it's naive to think that's a coincidence as this is true for many other professions too, Law comes to mind.
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Given the push for evidence-based medicine, I would call it appropriate skepticism in the absence of data establishing a causal link.
 
TheTao said:
I personally know a DVM/PhD that applied to vet school for 12 years before getting accepted. And no one should expect that people, especially pre-med types, would admit this.

As for who gets accepted to med school according to AAMC's own data, applicants with parents with either an MD, PhD or both, have a 70-80% acceptance rate. And I think it's naive to think that's a coincidence as this is true for many other professions too, Law comes to mind.

All that said, I'm sure the OP's bitterness about the "process" comes across in interviews.
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I think there's too much going on to claim nepotism in this case. A person with MD parents probably went to a good high school and was supported through college giving them ample time to study for courses/mcat. If they needed extra help, their parents could provide the support needed to excel by way of tutors and prep courses. They also would have assistance navigating the application process including easy access to volunteering and shadowing opportunities.
If you have a 3.8/30 or 3.6/36 you also have an 80% chance of getting into medical school.
 
mauberley said:
Given the push for evidence-based medicine, I would call it appropriate skepticism in the absence of data establishing a causal link.
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But it's so much easier to assume correlation equals causation, or in the OP's case, to find fault with the system rather than with yourself!

If this thread is for real, then the OP's GPA and MCAT scores are suspiciously absent, (which I realize shouldn't matter because he's such a unique and special snowflake), along with any specific examples of his uniqueness that would lend any credence to his vitriolic rambling.
 
mauberley said:
Given the push for evidence-based medicine, I would call it appropriate skepticism in the absence of data establishing a causal link.
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AAMC data is available to everyone who takes the time to look.

Quite frankly, I spend enough paid time doing research to do it for others for free.
 
galaxyx said:
A person with MD parents probably went to a good high school and was supported through college giving them ample time to study for courses/mcat.
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But of course!! And in the "real world", it's about who know and when you have a parent or a classmate of a parent that can vouch for your app it DOES makes a difference.

Granted, this isn't as "sexy" as saying being a URM helps a person get admitted, but it's certainly a fact.

Speaking of that, I'm betting the OP isn't a URM, although the DVM/PhD I noted above IS.
 
TheTao said:
AAMC data is available to everyone who takes the time to look.

Quite frankly, I spend enough paid time doing research to do it for others for free.
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ChE verbalized my point. Anyway, carry on.
 
TheTao said:
But of course!! And in the "real world", it's about who know and when you have a parent or a classmate of a parent that can vouch for your app it DOES makes a difference.

Granted, this isn't as "sexy" as saying being a URM helps a person get admitted, but it's certainly a fact.

Speaking of that, I'm betting the OP isn't a URM, although the DVM/PhD I noted above IS.
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Sure, if you have connections to someone with pull in admissions it will help. But simply knowing a physician (even if they do attend at the institution you are applying to--most physicians are in private practice) and getting them to write a letter? I would guess that there are thousands of pre-meds out there who can vouch for how little that actually means to admissions committees.

It's more reasonable to assume that having an MD as a parent will help someone put together a more competitive application than to think that they are somehow manipulating the system. Presumably they will have an easier time finding clinical opportunities (shadowing, etc), and have more insight about both the process of applying and medicine in general.

In any case, there is something fundamentally wrong with one or more parts of your application if you get rejected >3 times (presuming you are applying broadly enough), and it has nothing to do with the fact that other applicants are rich, or connected, or URMs, or whatever.
 
ChE04 said:
In any case, there is something fundamentally wrong with one or more parts of your application if you get rejected >3 times (presuming you are applying broadly enough), and it has nothing to do with the fact that other applicants are rich, or connected, or URMs, or whatever.
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Exactly
 
I want to see 13 years of AMCAS receipts as proof.
 
ChE04 said:
In any case, there is something fundamentally wrong with one or more parts of your application if you get rejected >3 times (presuming you are applying broadly enough), and it has nothing to do with the fact that other applicants are rich, or connected, or URMs, or whatever.
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My main point is that a person who takes multiple tries to get admitted is rarely going to tell anyone.

As for the DVM/PhD I know who applied 12 times to vet school before getting admitted, he's one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life, was highly regarded among his peers where we used to work, so this idea that there's always something "wrong" with a multiple applicant is bogus IMHO. That said, I'll concede that applying 13 times is overkill, but I'd apply as many times as it took to get accepted too.

My bottom line message is this. Sometimes things don't happen until they're supposed to and given that the DVM/PhD I know is now retired and getting a NICE gov't pension, I'd say that his life turned out just fine.
 
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