I am filling out my AADSAS right now and I am white. I feel like I should not include my ethnicity at all because I know dental schools will just use my race to discriminate against me. Should I leave it blank or will that put me at even more of a disadvantage?
Applying as a White Person
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LOL the white man is becoming an endangered species.
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its the truth....
Have you guys ever seen louis C.K.'s standup and his comments on being white....it's pretty effin funny.
Quick quote'
"If I were a time traveler I could go to any time and it would be awesome!"
You tube it or google it...funny stuff.
Quick quote'
"If I were a time traveler I could go to any time and it would be awesome!"
You tube it or google it...funny stuff.
I don't see any reason that they would ask a person's race unless they were going to use it to discriminate them in one way or another. The fact that race is a factor in determining my eligibility to dental school makes me sick.
In 50 years people will look back on this in disgust. People will not be able to believe that students were collectivized into groups based on their physical appearance, and they will not believe that the color of a person's skin was a factor in determining somebody's eligibility for dental school.
In 50 years people will look back on this in disgust. People will not be able to believe that students were collectivized into groups based on their physical appearance, and they will not believe that the color of a person's skin was a factor in determining somebody's eligibility for dental school.
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You can always you are a Hawaiian Eskimo. You'll be in high demand. How many schools in the world can boast about having that kind of diversity.
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We can rally the entire US population and call for a revolution.
We'll destroy all of the cones in everyone's eyes and make them all colorblind!
We'll destroy all of the cones in everyone's eyes and make them all colorblind!
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Ha its def the truth
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It would be an disadvantage if you don't put your "race". Caucasians,particularity, white males--still hold the most spots in Dental School and as Dentist. If you have descent stats, great EC's, apply early, and apply broad then you should be fine. All of my white buddies who applied to some professional school have gotten in and we don't come from a "great" school.
Good luck, don't be preoccupied with race, it will really come down to how much you can impress the people in charge and race doesn't take you that far; trust me.
Where are you in your application stage?
Good Luck my friend.
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The fact that you posted this in the DAT forum leads me to believe that schools might not reject you by your race, but rather your intellect. 👍
But seriously, i'm a white boy and I got into dental school.
But seriously, i'm a white boy and I got into dental school.
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Actually, what do you mean by racism? You mean that proponents of diversity discriminate and are prejudiced toward whites? That the proponents have preconceived notions about you because you are white and will keep you from being equal in opportunities for dental school? Because I hope not.
Only a group with greater power can actually be racist. You may be discriminated and be a victim of prejudice, but not of racism.
I think proponents of "diversity" actually have seen the light that not all people are born into equal environments. In general, a white suburban middle class male will have more opportunity to succeed than an inner city, poor, black male. It doesn't matter how hard a person works if the opportunity is not there. In order to make up for this, when, say, an African American has shown the required attributes for a profession like dentistry, they will be looked upon favorably in order to equal out the advantages that whites, in general, already benefit from. It's all in the name of equality.
Diversity is a great thing that people can learn a lot from. Believing that entrance to schools should be based solely on merit at this time in society only upholds a white habitus, that maintains the standard of living for whites at the expense of minorities. Whites are an overly-priveleged group based solely on their skin color. These undue privileges should be whittled away by giving some preference to those with fewer advantages in their life. So then in the future we can all be judged solely on the content of our character.
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I really don't think any school would discriminate you based on if your white. However they may discriminate based on your GPA and DAT score 🙂
There was a discussion done about a year ago when an asian guy went in and looked up the acceptance rate for asians on predents.com. He found that asians generally have to have higher stats then white people to get into dental school. Even though looking at predents is probably statistically not that reliable,based on his information you may have a worse chance if you apply as an asian. lol go figure.
There was a discussion done about a year ago when an asian guy went in and looked up the acceptance rate for asians on predents.com. He found that asians generally have to have higher stats then white people to get into dental school. Even though looking at predents is probably statistically not that reliable,based on his information you may have a worse chance if you apply as an asian. lol go figure.
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I believe that's called something like possessive investment in white supremacy. You should see the Tim Wise debate on affirmative action. Amazing speaker and really brings out the truth in injustice and social inequality. Glad to see someone of intellect and awareness on sdn. 👍
It is no longer the 1960's - being black no longer will bar you from attending a dental school - rather, there are two that will set you apart from any other applicant just based on your race.
Also, being poor isnt specific to skin color. Hard work and wise decisions allow you to do almost anything. I was very poor - white - and had to join the military to get funding for college. I also had to remediate for one year in order to be able to take classes at a college level. I'm not saying this to promote myself - I'm saying this because people can no longer make excuses for groups that always underachieve. Check out some interviews with Bill Cosby - he makes some solid points - his general message is accountability.
Merit is everything
Also, being poor isnt specific to skin color. Hard work and wise decisions allow you to do almost anything. I was very poor - white - and had to join the military to get funding for college. I also had to remediate for one year in order to be able to take classes at a college level. I'm not saying this to promote myself - I'm saying this because people can no longer make excuses for groups that always underachieve. Check out some interviews with Bill Cosby - he makes some solid points - his general message is accountability.
Merit is everything
This is nonsense. Racism means collectivizing people based on their skin color. Are you saying that the only people who are racist are white? You are saying it isn't possible for a black person to be racist towards a white person? The AADSAS is racist because it asks for skin color. The only reason it would ask for skin color is so dental schools can use racism to discriminate against people based on the color of their skin.
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Agreed. Being black may actually be an advantage if you have an open-minded application committee.
Poverty definitely is not specific to skin color. I agree again. However, being poor is a disadvantage and so is being a minority. Both are totally separate. I just gave several examples of disadvantages, with no intention of linking them directly. I hope it didn't come out like that.
And I agree yet again that hard work and wise decisions can go a really long way, but it is not everything. There are still uncontrollable circumstances.
I do applaud you for your hard work which I think is quite impressive. Honestly. The disadvantaged, underachieving groups would still have to put in more effort in order to match an advantaged, achieving group. The point is to make the opportunities equal and give everybody the same opportunity to be successful and live a productive life. Those opportunities are not always there for an underprivileged individual today.
What if Tiger Woods couldn't afford golf clubs? He wouldn't be able to make the money he did. Isn't possible that there have been more Tiger's out there without the opportunity to play golf?
I am curious to hear what Bill Cosby has to say. I will definitely check him out.
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I didn't read the replies.
OP: They'll find out what you are at the interview anyways.
You can't hide your race forever.
OP: They'll find out what you are at the interview anyways.
You can't hide your race forever.
By instantly assuming I am at an advantage because I am white, you are racist. The fact is, I came from a rural area where everybody is poor farmers and I had no encouragement to go to college. I am financing my 100% of my education. I had no "advantage", I worked hard to get where I am. Just because I am not a minority does not mean I had it easy. Minorities are not the only disadvantaged people. That is my point.
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Race is always a polarizing topic--by virtue of our country history. I think you as a person will carry more weight more than anything else. Keep going for your dream.
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Well, at least you have an open mind.
That may be your definition of racism. That's fine. But it sounds to me like you should use prejudice instead of racism. Prejudice is judging an individual based on an assumption of a whole group. Racism includes physical outcomes, not just mental judgements.
And yeah, currently in the United States, the only people who can be racist are whites, because they have undue power. The power is the key. And no, it is not possible for a black person to be racist against whites, at least in my definition, which is different from yours. Which is fine. According to your definition, blacks can be racist towards whites. But I really don't think your definition is quite right. It's half right for sure.
So anytime anybody asks about race, they are racist? What if it's for a minority scholarship? What if it's for a census? Should we not talk about race because at one time it was a line-in-the-sand for acceptable and unacceptable? Because it's uncomfortable to talk about?
The option to mark your race is to allow schools and other institutions to have a diverse population, there probably won't be any negative discrimination towards anyone. There is more to consider in a candidate than GPA and volunteer hours.
There are considerably fewer racist individuals around today, but the institutions we all belong to have policies with racial outcomes. This still needs to be combated with preference towards minority groups for opportunities at success.
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These types of threads pop up 2 or 3 times every year.
People usually get a hard on whenever they see Howard and Meharry's entering class stats. Then they find out that have to be African American or Hispanic to get in. Get angry at the whole institution but don't understand why those schools are there in the first place.
OP: Write a heart-warming personal statement and let adcoms decide if you are disadvantaged or not.
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*sigh* How little you know...typical these days so I can't say I blame you for not knowing much about this as there has been a massive relentless effort on the part of the politicos in society to attempt to cover reality up in this regard.
...and gosh, your proposed revolution sounds maniacally destructive. What was that old saying I used to hear so long ago?...the road to hell is paved with good intentions?
And what if the rallying cry in favor of "diversity" is wrapped up in the packaging that different colored people actually like being different colors. Pretty boring world you are proposing.
Besides, and perhaps more importantly, what if your entire premise is completely incorrect, i.e. that of differences being merely skin deep. What if scientific reality actually confirms the existence of categorical differences in genetics, physical anthropology, and social behavior? Wouldn't attempting to destroy these differences actual destroy the original intent of diversity as currently packaged and marketed by popular "wisdom"? Can't wait to see what proposed solution you have for the differences which are embedded in different groups' DNA. Final Solution perhaps? Just some food for thought if you are proposing to become a scientist.
Here is a primer so you can inform yourself,
Genetic differences: one place to start is to research the MAO-A gene.
Physical Anthropology: differences in intracranial volumetrics, http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/SizeMatters.pdf
The differences in the bone structures and particularly the mandibular bones between groups is profound. Here is a great simple primer:
Book Title "Skeletal Attribution of Race" By George W. Gill & Stanley Rhine, Published by Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, 1990 Albuquerque, N.M.
Social Behavior: here is a tip of the iceberg you will find if you would like to be more informed on the topic http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm
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A Revolution is Brewing!!!!
FIGHT FOR UR RITE ESP. YOUR RITE TO PLAY C.O.D!!!!! 😀😀😀😀
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Racism:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
From Websters dictionary. No need to adjust it to fit an argument. Saying a minority cannot be racist is a creation of modern politics. Absurd, anyone can be racist.
Everyone is well aware of anthropological and genetic differences in races, but IMO, it is irrelevant in this context. We're talking about if it's fair for a few groups to get preferential treatment.
Probably a trite argument.
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
From Websters dictionary. No need to adjust it to fit an argument. Saying a minority cannot be racist is a creation of modern politics. Absurd, anyone can be racist.
Everyone is well aware of anthropological and genetic differences in races, but IMO, it is irrelevant in this context. We're talking about if it's fair for a few groups to get preferential treatment.
Probably a trite argument.
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A lot of sensitive whites on SDN.
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I met this Dean at a pre-dental function a few months back. Dude, he is sooooooo black.
I didn't read this thread because I'm sure it would be a waste of my time, but how do you plan on keeping the fact that you're white a secret through interviews? Or is this bias only for interview invites?
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Therefore physiological differences between groups naturally lead to various degrees of performance in different areas which by default necessitates relative inferiority or superiority on the part of one group or the other.
Wait so lets see if I've got this straight...the NBA and the game show Jeopardy promote (oh my god its the end of the world) the "r-word"? How despicable and downright evil of those who naturally demonstrate a proclivity for basketball and random nerdy trivia to excel at either one. The nerve of some people to actually enjoy being and doing what nature created them to be and do! They ought to be ashamed. 😡 Jeopardy really ought to be more aggressive with the whole "minority" recruit thing. Not Fair! There are like 1 Billion (with a "B") Africans in Africa whose right it should to become Jeopardy champions. And they would be too, if it wasn't for all of this white privilege I have been hearing about recently. And since when did NBA players get the right to monopolize on all the dribbling and jumping skills! Every Jeopardy champion has the natural right to beat Kobe one-on-one as well as win an NBA championship since their can be no superiority nor inferiority. No justice, No Peace!
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Therefore physiological differences between groups naturally lead to various degrees of performance in different areas which by default necessitates relative inferiority or superiority on the part of one group or the other.
Wait so lets see if I've got this straight...the NBA and the game show Jeopardy promote (oh my god its the end of the world) the "r-word"? How despicable and downright evil of those who naturally demonstrate a proclivity for basketball and random nerdy trivia to excel at either one. The nerve of some people to actually enjoy being and doing what nature created them to be and do! They ought to be ashamed. 😡 Jeopardy really ought to be more aggressive with the whole "minority" recruit thing. Not Fair! There are like 1 Billion (with a "B") Africans in Africa whose right it should to become Jeopardy champions. And they would be too, if it wasn't for all of this white privilege I have been hearing about recently. And since when did NBA players get the right to monopolize on all the dribbling and jumping skills! Every Jeopardy champion has the natural right to beat Kobe one-on-one as well as win an NBA championship since their can be no superiority nor inferiority. No justice, No Peace!
Oh the irony!
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I agree, the depth of the OP's anxiety is TOTALLY overrated and baseless and NO ONE else is wondering the exact same thing.🙄
Don't worry white people. You live in a post-racial society, and your rightful opportunities created by your european american forefathers will not be stolen and given to a less-qualified, yet "diverse", applicant just because you are totally UNDIVERSE and totally boring children of dull white people. There is absolutely not a conspiracy against whites and absoltuely ZERO social engineering on the part of our self-proclaimed leaders. Didn't get the memo? Here is a taste from the news today:
"FEDS STRIKE DOWN STATE'S BAN ON RACE CONSIDERATION IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS...
http://www.detnews.com/article/2011...wn-Michigan-ban-on-race-in-college-admissions
But geee......for the life of me I can't figure out why whites, as the obvious minority, are not given "affirmative action" preferences in Africa? Especially since we have a Kenyan as President and you'd think they'd reciprocate the favors...well, wouldn't you?
How is that Hope and Change working out for whites?
Census: Whites make up minority of babies in U.S.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-06-23-Census-babies-minority_n.htm
Want to know where the entire US is headed, wait, already is: Brazil at best.
Isn't it funny, everyone BUT whites still have a home country? Totally insignificant minor detail though. Move along, nothing to see here 🙂
The High Price Today of Immigration Reform in 1965
By Ben Johnson
http://hnn.us/articles/1175.html
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