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Hi!
I am IMG, graduated from Medical School in 2014, with exerience in Residency in Clinical Chemistry in my home country.
I am applying for Pathology Residency in US. To follow the path, I've received the ECFMG Certification, with Step 1 score 256, step 2 CK 251, PASS in CS. And 246 in Step 3.

I am highly interested in Clinical Pathology and wish to go for Academic research in the future.
I have been trying to look up on the program websites, but its kinda hard to tell, unless you have a first hand experience. Can you please suggest me programs that have very good CP curriculum built into their combined program?
 
Go for it! there is a great market and plenty of demand for well trained CP graduates. You also don't need AP to do well in it; but it won't harm if you do. Don't listen to the negative noise of some people here.

I echo Mayo of course; as well as U Wash, U Mich, and Brigham.
 
I am personally starting to wonder if private groups will start increasing their openness to CP only people as the environment changes. It would have to be a big group though, kind of pseudo-academic (or a large center with some academic emphasis but maybe not in pathology).

I wonder if it's still like my experience during residency interviews. The number of programs that said, "Most programs just talk about CP, but here we really emphasize it and focus on it!" was pretty high. My general impression of CP at residency programs is that it is what you put into it. The best training programs may do more, but if you're motivated you can get the great training everywhere, you just may have to seek it out or ask for it.
 
Torsed said:
Can't be a medical director unless AP/CP. I always look for one to replace me.
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OP's career goal is academic clinical chemistry. What is the reference for this AP/CP requirement? I believe every CLIA requirement for pathology training I've seen is phrased as "AP and/or CP." There may be impracticalities for private practice, but the context of OP's question is academics not private practice (where AP-only AP lab directors and CP-only CP lab directors are not rare).
 
yaah said:
I wonder if it's still like my experience during residency interviews. The number of programs that said, "Most programs just talk about CP, but here we really emphasize it and focus on it!" was pretty high. My general impression of CP at residency programs is that it is what you put into it. The best training programs may do more, but if you're motivated you can get the great training everywhere, you just may have to seek it out or ask for it.
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I think every single program I interviewed at said this. Good mentors are worth their weight in gold though. It's challenging to identify that from a single interview.
 
StatistPriceControlsFail said:
OP's career goal is academic clinical chemistry. What is the reference for this AP/CP requirement? I believe every CLIA requirement for pathology training I've seen is phrased as "AP and/or CP." There may be impracticalities for private practice, but the context of OP's question is academics not private practice (where AP-only AP lab directors and CP-only CP lab directors are not rare).
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exactly.
 
Leismania said:
Hi!
I am IMG, graduated from Medical School in 2014, with exerience in Residency in Clinical Chemistry in my home country.
I am applying for Pathology Residency in US. To follow the path, I've received the ECFMG Certification, with Step 1 score 256, step 2 CK 251, PASS in CS. And 246 in Step 3.

I am highly interested in Clinical Pathology and wish to go for Academic research in the future.
I have been trying to look up on the program websites, but its kinda hard to tell, unless you have a first hand experience. Can you please suggest me programs that have very good CP curriculum built into their combined program?
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Do you need visa?
Regardless, apply and do AP/CP.
 
So much CP only negativity is surprising. I am a CP only med director and had more job offers than anyone else graduating in my year with AP/CP or AP-only and also more interviews than I could accept, so I ended up focusing my search in a small area. Not a lot of AP pathologists want the hassle of dealing with the lab regulatory environment, the blood bank, micro, etc. There are plenty of CP-only jobs out there now that the retirement wave is hitting.
 
How relevant are Doximity Pathology residency rankings? Are they accurate and when selecting residencies to apply for, how much emphasis should be placed on these rankings?
 
abc2019 said:
How relevant are Doximity Pathology residency rankings? Are they accurate and when selecting residencies to apply for, how much emphasis should be placed on these rankings?
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Never heard of it used for Path residency programs.
 
I have heard that the Mid-West, in general (particularly the Chicago area), does CP well
 
Sarahkeet said:
So much CP only negativity is surprising. I am a CP only med director and had more job offers than anyone else graduating in my year with AP/CP or AP-only and also more interviews than I could accept, so I ended up focusing my search in a small area. Not a lot of AP pathologists want the hassle of dealing with the lab regulatory environment, the blood bank, micro, etc. There are plenty of CP-only jobs out there now that the retirement wave is hitting.
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People often cast judgements they don’t know about. I am AP only but have always appreciated CP for what it is and I echo your statements. The job market for CP is booming.

the highest paid Pathologists in the US are mostly CP. that should cause some mild seizures in the AP “warriors” here...
 
rirriri said:
People often cast judgements they don’t know about. I am AP only but have always appreciated CP for what it is and I echo your statements. The job market for CP is booming.

the highest paid Pathologists in the US are mostly CP. that should cause some mild seizures in the AP “warriors” here...
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I do agree with the importance of CP and that being good at lab med is critical for differentiating yourself from the masses of AP/CP boarded....but how did you get the idea CP only is highly compensated.

I have been on multiple clias as medical directorship and now I am responsible for numerous labs off all sizes in multiple states in the NE. Most of it is sub’ed out to nearby groups (AP/CP typically) and We also engage CP only paths. A CP only who is hustling would maybe make 200K. & this would be With a lot of out of pocket cost related to high personal car mileage and the costs and hassles of multiple state licensures. hospital based private practice groups don’t really employ CP only unless they are also hemepath trained.

the days of making afortune on lab ownership are long gone. Even in the most efficient labs there just isn’t much meat on the bone for lab directorships.
 
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Med Director New England said:
I do agree with the importance of CP and that being good at lab med is critical for differentiating yourself from the masses of AP/CP boarded....but how did you get the idea CP only is highly compensated.

I have been on multiple clias as medical directorship and now I am responsible for numerous labs off all sizes in multiple states in the NE. Most of it is sub’ed out to nearby groups (AP/CP typically) and We also engage CP only paths. A CP only who is hustling would maybe make 200K. & this would be With a lot of out of pocket cost related to high personal car mileage and the costs and hassles of multiple state licensures. hospital based private practice groups don’t really employ CP only unless they are also hemepath trained.

the days of making afortune on lab ownership are long gone. Even in the most efficient labs there just isn’t much meat on the bone for lab directorships.
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a couple of years ago i came about an actual list of the highest paid Pathologists in the US and something like 9 out of 10 were CP.

Will try to find it for you.

Not really talking about overall---although your estimates of a hustling CP pathologist making $200k are definitely on the low side, IMO! That being said you do have far more experience in CP labs so perhaps i am overlooking certain types of practices. My point though, was that there is a lot of potential in CP especially for younger trainees and graduates. Plenty of demand.
 
rirriri said:
a couple of years ago i came about an actual list of the highest paid Pathologists in the US and something like 9 out of 10 were CP.

Will try to find it for you.

Not really talking about overall---although your estimates of a hustling CP pathologist making $200k are definitely on the low side, IMO! That being said you do have far more experience in CP labs so perhaps i am overlooking certain types of practices. My point though, was that there is a lot of potential in CP especially for younger trainees and graduates. Plenty of demand.
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Would love to see this actual list. Please post it. And wondering who/what entity is empowered to compel the highest paid pathologists in the country to disclose their salaries?

so I don’t have this actual list but I do hire out a lot of CP work and 200 k for someone (CP only pathologist or PhD) doing only CP is not low - at this price point I can pick and choose.
 
rirriri said:
People often cast judgements they don’t know about. I am AP only but have always appreciated CP for what it is and I echo your statements. The job market for CP is booming.

the highest paid Pathologists in the US are mostly CP. that should cause some mild seizures in the AP “warriors” here...
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I think you may have been talking about that list of the highest paid physicians in the country that was released. A few pathologists made that list because they were medical directors of large labs and other physicians billed labs under their names resulting in them “making” upwards of 12 million a year.

Pathologists Top Earners in Medicare MD Pay Data

Among those physicians receiving the most in Medicare payments were two pathologists.
www.darkintelligencegroup.com www.darkintelligencegroup.com
 
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MetroPath said:
I think you may have been talking about that list of the highest paid physicians in the country that was released. A few pathologists made that list because they were medical directors of large labs and other physicians billed labs under their names resulting in them “making” upwards of 12 million a year.

Pathologists Top Earners in Medicare MD Pay Data

Among those physicians receiving the most in Medicare payments were two pathologists.
www.darkintelligencegroup.com www.darkintelligencegroup.com
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Agree - you gotta to read the article.

RIri it is not 1981 anymore
 
rirriri said:
People often cast judgements they don’t know about. I am AP only but have always appreciated CP for what it is and I echo your statements. The job market for CP is booming.

the highest paid Pathologists in the US are mostly CP. that should cause some mild seizures in the AP “warriors” here...
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I would rebut that the highest paid pathologists in the US are mostly equity owners of large and medium sized , established private practice P.A.s. And I don’t think that should cause ANY seizures.
 
I agree that I am likely not going to become a billionaire as a CP only pathologist. However, I have job security. I am not worried that my job will disappear, and the more we replace things with robots, the more my expertise is needed rather than less. I have comfortable a lifestyle I enjoy including time with my friends, family, and I get to set my own schedule for the most part. It all depends on what you are looking for out of a career.
 
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