Applying to Categorical programs/positions ONLY

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Hey everyone,
I'm an M4 planning on applying to anesthesiology. I've been thinking alot about what to do about the prelim year, and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on whether applying to categorical (4 year) anesthesia programs ONLY would be wise or not? I think that my scores, grades, and letters are decent for many anesthesia programs, and I would love to not have to deal with applying to seperate prelim year programs! Thanks for anyone's input.
 
Sounds like you have a plan... Seems like most programs would be able to accomadate you. Only problem you might run into is finding a program you really want to go to but they only have about half and half. If this is the case I would suggest applying also for a prelim year...

But to be honest, a transitional year can be sweet gig.
 
I've thought of the same plan, dg, but I think you can increase your chances of matching at your most desired program - if they offer both the categorical and advanced progams - and you apply to both the 4 yr AND the 3 yr, since you can list them both in your match list (at least as far as I understand things).

dc
 
also, don't forget you limit yourself to only certain programs. What if there is an amazing program out there that doesn't have a categorical, is it worth not even looking at?

I would recommend applying widely (including some prelims), you can always pick where you interview later.
 
Hey everyone,
I'm an M4 planning on applying to anesthesiology. I've been thinking alot about what to do about the prelim year, and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on whether applying to categorical (4 year) anesthesia programs ONLY would be wise or not? I think that my scores, grades, and letters are decent for many anesthesia programs, and I would love to not have to deal with applying to seperate prelim year programs! Thanks for anyone's input.

I had the same thought process as you last year and initially only applied categorical. I then applied to PGY-1 year spots late in the season (like November) for reasons people have mentioned above. Bottom line is that once you're in the position of applying you'll want to have options and not limitations.

I didn't want to mess with the headache of applying widely for prelim spots, so I just did the programs in the city where I went to medical school. That way I could work in the interviews easier. It was a good compromise for me - I still had the options of doing a Categorical or Advanced program without the headache and expense of applying to a bunch of PGY-1 spots.

I ended up matching to a Categorical spot in the end, but I sure felt a lot better those last few months knowing I had maximized my chances at matching at the program of my choice.
 
So is it correct that one could apply to a categorical and advanced position at the same program if they offer both? If so, how do the programs rank the applicants- do they know if you've applied to either one or both positions?
 
Yes, you can apply for both categorical and advanced spots at the same program. I think that most programs will generally submit the same ROL for both types of position. Having said that, there are some programs (Dartmouth comes to mind) that will ask you during the interview if you are interested in advanced, categorical, or both and inform you that they will rank you accordingly.
 
So is it correct that one could apply to a categorical and advanced position at the same program if they offer both? If so, how do the programs rank the applicants- do they know if you've applied to either one or both positions?

I would only add that there are certain programs (I think Wash U did this) that will hold aside a small number of Advanced spots with the intent of holding those spots only for people who are switching in from another field (i.e. applying outside the Match) or for someone with extenuating circumstances (e.g. needing to stay in a certain location for intern year for family reasons, sig other, etc).

For all intents and purposes, these programs are entirely Categorical, although they are listed as offering both Categorical and Advanced on FREIDA.
 
its a big decision where you spend that pgy-1 year

you go all categorical you get no choice in the year that comes with it, could be humane, could be a nightmare, the bigger decision here is the anesthesia years.
i interviewed at some big academic programs that offer the first year, but everyone applies to the advanced program anyways, since the included year is harder than the neighboring community/transitional options.

what im trying to say is, take any categorical program, you can almost always find a better prelim year in the same city than the first year in included in that program. meaning your overall four years is better. this is just for a half day of your time. interview smart but i would think this would limit you. trust me no one wants to move twice, put in the work and pick a few locations and do both prelim and anesth interviews, you will likely end up all in the same place but at neighboring institutions.
 
its a big decision where you spend that pgy-1 year

you go all categorical you get no choice in the year that comes with it, could be humane, could be a nightmare, the bigger decision here is the anesthesia years.
i interviewed at some big academic programs that offer the first year, but everyone applies to the advanced program anyways, since the included year is harder than the neighboring community/transitional options.

what im trying to say is, take any categorical program, you can almost always find a better prelim year in the same city than the first year in included in that program. meaning your overall four years is better. this is just for a half day of your time. interview smart but i would think this would limit you. trust me no one wants to move twice, put in the work and pick a few locations and do both prelim and anesth interviews, you will likely end up all in the same place but at neighboring institutions.

I agree that your overall biggest decision is where you do Anesthesia.

I'll also agree that you can sometimes find better (intern year) programs in a given area, but not always. I would say that, however, you can't "almost always find a better prelim year". Easier? Probably, but not necessarily better. And I definitely don't think the intern years in Categoricals are the worst thing you'll find. For example, you would certainly work much harder (and likely not get that great of an education) by doing a Prelim Surgery year. I think most people would recommend doing a CBY (that's the term for your first year in a Categorical program...sorry if you already knew that, just wanted to be clear) over a Surgery Prelim year.

Many (but not all) CB years are designed specifically with Anesthesia in mind, therefore you get ICU, internal medicine, surgery, plus some Emergency, possibly some Pain, and usually a month of Anesthesia. I'd say in general they will be "harder" years than your run-of-the-mill Transitional Year, however they will also likely be more relevant (relatively speaking) to Anesthesia than a TY, or even a straight-up prelim Medicine year.

Also, don't discount the advantages of 1) moving once; 2) meeting and befriending other residents in other programs (whom you will continue to work with to some degree throughout your training); 3) learning the hospital/procedures/quirks/etc before you start your Anesthesia training. While none of these factors are make-or-break alone, combined they can add/detract to your overall quality of life.

I guess the take-home here is to really look in to what you're getting yourself in to either way: the disparities between the various prelim years and the various CB years can be huge so you really have to read the fine print before making your rank list. I wouldn't say Prelim years are inherently better than CB years, or vice versa.
 
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