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Hey guys,

Has anyone here applied to dental school and med school at the same time? I know it's a red flag for adcoms, but I'm leaning toward dental school but there's a part of me that's hanging on to the med school. Sometimes I loose sleep over it... it's killing me. Thoughts? I already have both applications prepared, LORs for each app (it was a pain in the ass), personal statements. I have 15 schools on AMCAS and 14 on AADSAS.


Undergrad: UCI
oGPA: 3.79
s.GPA: 3.84
BCP: 3.83
MCAT: 36
DAT: Scheduled August... predicting 21ish AA
 
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Hey guys,

Has anyone here applied to dental school and med school at the same time? I know it's a red flag for adcoms, but I'm leaning toward dental school but there's a part of me that's hanging on to the med school. Sometimes I loose sleep over it... it's killing me. Thoughts?


Undergrad: UCI
oGPA: 3.79
s.GPA: 3.84
BCP: 3.83
MCAT: 36
DAT: Scheduled August... predicting 21ish AA

No, I actually took the time to do my research before choosing a career.
 
Thanks dude, but I've spent so much time the past year and a half researching both. It shouldn't be this difficult, but for some reason it is.
 
this prob isnt the best place for you to ask something like this, you'll get flamed by 20+ people about how horrible you are for applying to both. personally i dont think its a big deal if your juggling between the two.

my opinion: i highly doubt they background check what schools you've applied to before. AAMCAS and AADSAS are 2 different organizations. i think they take what you fill out on your applications for face value. if thats the case just dont mention you applied to both and they prob wont ask.

if you dont wanna lie on the application then just have good reasons for why you applied to both in case they ask you in your interview.
 
this prob isnt the best place for you to ask something like this, you'll get flamed by 20+ people about how horrible you are for applying to both. personally i dont think its a big deal if your juggling between the two.

my opinion: i highly doubt they background check what schools you've applied to before. AAMCAS and AADSAS are 2 different organizations. i think they take what you fill out on your applications for face value. if thats the case just dont mention you applied to both and they prob wont ask.

if you dont wanna lie on the application then just have good reasons for why you applied to both in case they ask you in your interview.

I should add that I haven't e-submitted either application, and for all purposes I most likely won't submit both, just the one I decide on in the next few days. I should have been a little more clear.
 
Yeah, sorry, I really wouldn't care if you were applying to both, if you weren't qualified. I'm just threatened by your stats. You'll figure it out.
 
Maybe this is way out in left field, but I know some schools have a dual DDS/MD program. Granted it's geared toward those who want to work in extremely rural areas lacking in health care, but hey an MD is an MD, and a DDS(or DMD) is just that. If you have both you wouldn't necessarily have to practice on both together. on MWF you could be MD, on TTr you could be DDS, if you so chose.
 
I should add that I haven't e-submitted either application, and for all purposes I most likely won't submit both, just the one I decide on in the next few days. I should have been a little more clear.

What are your reasons for pursing either field? Make a pro and cons list, and speak to as many professionals in each field as you can. Coming to a pre-dental forum and asking this will result in a biased conclusion.
 
Hey guys,

Has anyone here applied to dental school and med school at the same time? I know it's a red flag for adcoms, but I'm leaning toward dental school but there's a part of me that's hanging on to the med school. Sometimes I loose sleep over it... it's killing me. Thoughts? I already have both applications prepared, LORs for each app (it was a pain in the ass), personal statements. I have 15 schools on AMCAS and 14 on AADSAS.


Undergrad: UCI
oGPA: 3.79
s.GPA: 3.84
BCP: 3.83
MCAT: 36
DAT: Scheduled August... predicting 21ish AA

your stats are strong enough to get into medical school...assuming you have the shadowing, hospital/clinic volunteering, and/or research to back-up a 36/3.8 there's a ton of pre-meds who would love to trade places with you. i'm not saying you could march into a top 20 school and demand to be fitted for a white coat, but if you applied to 15+ spread throughout the top 50, i'd bet good money you'd be starting med school next year.

if you're applying to both because medicine is competitive and you don't want to potentially lose another year in applications if you don't get into medical school, you don't need to.

on the other hand, if you really do prefer dentistry then you'll have no problems getting into a dental school either. if dentistry is really your true first-choice and you're just falling for the "prestige" trap because people's reactions when you tell them medicine vs. when you tell them dentistry are night and day...don't. it's a virtual certainty that you'll live a more comfortable lifestyle (and be more fulfilled if you enjoy working with your hands) in dentistry than in medicine (i.e. you'd have to match derm in medicine versus choosing to suffer an oral surgery residency for it to swing the other way). also, a 36 MCAT will almost definitely get you more than 21AA, prob 24+.

my feeling is that you deep down inside do know which one you would rather do, but you're hedging either because of fear of failure at medicine, not living up to your "potential" in dentistry, etc...the classic hang-ups. if you've done the research, you should be able to picture your life down either path...which one would you rather do (regardless of all the other crap that surrounds each...prestige, salary, etc.)
 
Maybe this is way out in left field, but I know some schools have a dual DDS/MD program. Granted it's geared toward those who want to work in extremely rural areas lacking in health care, but hey an MD is an MD, and a DDS(or DMD) is just that. If you have both you wouldn't necessarily have to practice on both together. on MWF you could be MD, on TTr you could be DDS, if you so chose.

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Nova Southeastern has a program in which you can become a dentist and a d.o. in 6 years have you tried to apply there.
 
your stats are strong enough to get into medical school...assuming you have the shadowing, hospital/clinic volunteering, and/or research to back-up a 36/3.8 there's a ton of pre-meds who would love to trade places with you. i'm not saying you could march into a top 20 school and demand to be fitted for a white coat, but if you applied to 15+ spread throughout the top 50, i'd bet good money you'd be starting med school next year.

if you're applying to both because medicine is competitive and you don't want to potentially lose another year in applications if you don't get into medical school, you don't need to.

on the other hand, if you really do prefer dentistry then you'll have no problems getting into a dental school either. if dentistry is really your true first-choice and you're just falling for the "prestige" trap because people's reactions when you tell them medicine vs. when you tell them dentistry are night and day...don't. it's a virtual certainty that you'll live a more comfortable lifestyle (and be more fulfilled if you enjoy working with your hands) in dentistry than in medicine (i.e. you'd have to match derm in medicine versus choosing to suffer an oral surgery residency for it to swing the other way). also, a 36 MCAT will almost definitely get you more than 21AA, prob 24+.

my feeling is that you deep down inside do know which one you would rather do, but you're hedging either because of fear of failure at medicine, not living up to your "potential" in dentistry, etc...the classic hang-ups. if you've done the research, you should be able to picture your life down either path...which one would you rather do (regardless of all the other crap that surrounds each...prestige, salary, etc.)

Ideally, I see myself as an orthopedic surgeon. It's a childhood dream. I'm into athletics, and I would love to work with pro athletes.

Realistically, if I could have a hypothetical crystal ball, I'd be a ortho to endo. They live a great lifestyle, are good family men, and seem to enjoy life.

Not to say that orthopedic surgeons aren't good family men and in fact some have great lifestyles, but it's more of a dream than reality. I wouldn't mind some other specialty (or being a GP) in either medicine or dentistry, but in my mind I see myself as a dentist, but I have that childhood fascination with medicine in my heart.
 
What are your reasons for pursing either field? Make a pro and cons list, and speak to as many professionals in each field as you can. Coming to a pre-dental forum and asking this will result in a biased conclusion.

I'm Indian, so half of my extended family are dentists & doctors - in that sense I've been exposed to both fields my whole life, and I've shadowed them in college or just pretty much hung out at their offices when I was a kid.

I could go on about pros and cons for both, but both fields have amazing pros and pretty horrible cons. I can't really quantify one having more good points than the other, because I think medicine and dentistry have always appealed to me, and I think both are amazing fields. It would be awesome to be both (like OMFS), but at some point in the next couple of days I have to e-submit my app and I just wanted to know if anyone was in a similar position this late in the application cycle.
 
Hey guys,

Has anyone here applied to dental school and med school at the same time? I know it's a red flag for adcoms, but I'm leaning toward dental school but there's a part of me that's hanging on to the med school. Sometimes I loose sleep over it... it's killing me. Thoughts? I already have both applications prepared, LORs for each app (it was a pain in the ass), personal statements. I have 15 schools on AMCAS and 14 on AADSAS.


Undergrad: UCI
oGPA: 3.79
s.GPA: 3.84
BCP: 3.83
MCAT: 36
DAT: Scheduled August... predicting 21ish AA
You're just delaying the inevitable... you need to make a decision. It'll save you a lot of time and money.
 
I'm Indian, so half of my extended family are dentists & doctors - in that sense I've been exposed to both fields my whole life, and I've shadowed them in college or just pretty much hung out at their offices when I was a kid.

I could go on about pros and cons for both, but both fields have amazing pros and pretty horrible cons. I can't really quantify one having more good points than the other, because I think medicine and dentistry have always appealed to me, and I think both are amazing fields. It would be awesome to be both (like OMFS), but at some point in the next couple of days I have to e-submit my app and I just wanted to know if anyone was in a similar position this late in the application cycle.

if you go into dental, you have to assume you are going to do general, and not a specialty. if you cant see yourself doing general, then I would go into medicine if I were you( chances of specializing in M.D is significantly higher than DDS/DMD).
 
if you go into dental, you have to assume you are going to do general, and not a specialty. if you cant see yourself doing general, then I would go into medicine if I were you( chances of specializing in M.D is significantly higher than DDS/DMD).

matching orthopedics in medicine is every bit as hard as matching oral surgery/ortho in dentistry. if you look at it from a plan B/safety net standpoint, you're much better off in dentistry aiming for ortho/endo and ending up if a GP if that doesn't work out for whatever reason than in medicine aiming to be an orthopod and ending up in IM/FM if that doesn't work out for whatever reason. GP dentistry is a dream compared to primary care medicine. that's my opinion, but with a good medical/dental contingent in your family, i know i'm not going to have to beat you over the head to get you to agree with me.
 
Ideally, I see myself as an orthopedic surgeon. It's a childhood dream. I'm into athletics, and I would love to work with pro athletes.

Realistically, if I could have a hypothetical crystal ball, I'd be a ortho to endo. They live a great lifestyle, are good family men, and seem to enjoy life.

Not to say that orthopedic surgeons aren't good family men and in fact some have great lifestyles, but it's more of a dream than reality. I wouldn't mind some other specialty (or being a GP) in either medicine or dentistry, but in my mind I see myself as a dentist, but I have that childhood fascination with medicine in my heart.

is it a "childhood" dream or really your dream? i mean i wanted to be an astronaut for a pretty long phase back then too, but that's obviously not happening. how much passion do you still have for it, bc it's going to take a helluva lot to push you through med school hard enough to match ortho and then hard enough to finish that residency. is it just nostalgia, or a full fledged, you're willing to kill yourself for it if need be "dream"? that's your answer. don't turn your back on your real dream out of convenience if that's the case. if it's not, then do what the realistic part of you has decided and know that you have the kind of life you wanted ahead of you.
 
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is it a "childhood" dream or really your dream? i mean i wanted to be an astronaut for a pretty long phase back then too, but that's obviously not happening. how much passion do you still have for it, bc it's going to take a helluva lot to push you through med school hard enough to match ortho and then hard enough to finish that residency. is it just nostalgia, or a full fledged, you're willing to kill yourself for it if need be "dream"? that's your answer. don't turn your back on your real dream out of convenience if that's the case. if it's not, then do what the realistic part of you has decided and know that you have the kind of life you wanted ahead of you.

There are elements of both in that sense... It was a childhood dream to play doctor and pretend to operate on people and on Michael Jordan if he had a sprained ankle or something. But as I grow older it thought it would be incredibly awesome to work on Andrew Bynum's knee or perform microfracture surgery on some athlete and get them to where they were pre-injury. I love orthopedics, because I can identify with the problems patients have.
 
There are elements of both in that sense... It was a childhood dream to play doctor and pretend to operate on people and on Michael Jordan if he had a sprained ankle or something. But as I grow older it thought it would be incredibly awesome to work on Andrew Bynum's knee or perform microfracture surgery on some athlete and get them to where they were pre-injury. I love orthopedics, because I can identify with the problems patients have.

...so what's stopping you from applying to medical school? you have strong enough stats (and I assuming overall application) to get in, it's where your passion lies, etc.

out of the things you mentioned, the only downside would be the lifestyle, specifically that its more taxing on family life. you'll be able to deal with that when the time comes, and within a certain range, it's all about making the right sacrifices. if you choose to make family life a priority, you can choose to work a little less, join a group practice, make a little less money, etc. whatever choice to you make, you're going to have to be able to power through many years of hellacious schooling and residency AND be able to wake up every morning for 30+ years at least semi-looking forward to your day. it sounds like medicine is right for you, and you'd only be picking dentistry out of convenience if you went that route. no career is ideal in every way across the board, but this offers you more of what seems important to you and, like I said, you'll be able to adjust things accordingly to make it fit your lifestyle when you get there.

anyways, good luck! let us know what you decide. and do it ASAP, like 24-48 hours. you're not doing yourself any favors by sending in a late app to either AMCAS or AADSAS.
 
I think that you save your money and just apply to either medical or dental, but not both. Like someone posted before, you're going to have to make a decision at some point down the line.

From your post, I think you should go for the MD. I'm not saying this because I want to reduce competition lol. You have a great GPA, MCAT score, and orthopaedics is your dream 🙂 I really think you should follow your dream! A lot of doctor's have a great lifestyle as well. My dad's a doctor and I can say although life sucked for quite a while, he eventually opened up his own private practice and basically sets his own hours now. Even though the medical route was tough, my dad loves what he does, and probably would do it over again. So yea, go for the MD! Either way, you're going to have to work hard to achieve that lifestyle you want.
 
There are elements of both in that sense... It was a childhood dream to play doctor and pretend to operate on people and on Michael Jordan if he had a sprained ankle or something. But as I grow older it thought it would be incredibly awesome to work on Andrew Bynum's knee or perform microfracture surgery on some athlete and get them to where they were pre-injury. I love orthopedics, because I can identify with the problems patients have.

You were an injured athlete?

Although my advice to you is to take a year off and figure out what it is that you want to do 😀
 
You were an injured athlete?

Although my advice to you is to take a year off and figure out what it is that you want to do 😀

Agreed. Or you can just apply to med this year..but I'd wait until I get into dental school first. I'll let you know how it is.
 
Dude why are you so arrogant and pretentious? Are you asian? It would make sense.
 
Here are some things you should do immediately:

1) apply to med school
2) Stop studying for the DAT
3) Pat yourself on the back for a great MACT score
4) Get off our pre-dental forum
 
Dude why are you so arrogant and pretentious? Are you asian? It would make sense.

Lol... I'm Indian. Close enough right? I didn't mean to sound pretentious, guess it might have come off like that.

Anyway, I appreciate the input. I've been leaning towards dental school like I said above, and I think it's a great career. I don't think anyone chooses dentistry because it's their "life long dream" or anything of that nature. They choose it because its fulfilling, with a great lifestyle, lots of perks, and respectability. It's something I can see myself doing for the rest of my life, and I'd be more than satisfied. Med school was something I wanted to do because I had a childish infatuation with it and I'm still attracted to it because I love anything to do with sports medicine, but in the end, I want to keep some of my youth.

I've made up my mind, and I'm going to apply to dental school. Thanks for the thoughts everyone, I appreciate it.
 
Lol... I'm Indian. Close enough right? I didn't mean to sound pretentious, guess it might have come off like that.

Anyway, I appreciate the input. I've been leaning towards dental school like I said above, and I think it's a great career. I don't think anyone chooses dentistry because it's their "life long dream" or anything of that nature. They choose it because its fulfilling, with a great lifestyle, lots of perks, and respectability. It's something I can see myself doing for the rest of my life, and I'd be more than satisfied. Med school was something I wanted to do because I had a childish infatuation with it and I'm still attracted to it because I love anything to do with sports medicine, but in the end, I want to keep some of my youth.

I've made up my mind, and I'm going to apply to dental school. Thanks for the thoughts everyone, I appreciate it.

👍 good for you, welcome aboard. props on being so decisive so quickly. good luck on the DAT! like I said, a 36 MCAT translates to a very high DAT score, so just make sure you cover everything you need to and you should be absolutely fine. where are you applying? (it takes time for AADSAS to process your transcripts/GPA so if you can get that in a couple weeks before your DAT, everything should be good to go at the same time once your scores get into AADSAS).

p.s. i don't think that "pretentious" comment was directed towards you, but way to be classy about it in case it was
 
👍 good for you, welcome aboard. props on being so decisive so quickly. good luck on the DAT! like I said, a 36 MCAT translates to a very high DAT score, so just make sure you cover everything you need to and you should be absolutely fine. where are you applying? (it takes time for AADSAS to process your transcripts/GPA so if you can get that in a couple weeks before your DAT, everything should be good to go at the same time once your scores get into AADSAS).

p.s. i don't think that "pretentious" comment was directed towards you, but way to be classy about it in case it was


I sent in all my transcripts, and AADSAS just received them. I'm about to e-submit in the next few hours! Since I'm not going to apply to MD at the same time, I added a few more schools to my list (17 total):

Midwestern
ASDOH
Loma Linda
USC
UCLA
UCSF
UOP
Western
Temple
Pitt
UPenn
Columbia
BU
Michigan
Case
NYU
Considering Harvard, will probably take it off
 
I sent in all my transcripts, and AADSAS just received them. I'm about to e-submit in the next few hours! Since I'm not going to apply to MD at the same time, I added a few more schools to my list (17 total):

Midwestern
ASDOH
Loma Linda
USC
UCLA
UCSF
UOP
Western
Temple
Pitt
UPenn
Columbia
BU
Michigan
Case
NYU
Considering Harvard, will probably take it off

yeah you're golden. harvard's very holistic with applications, stats alone won't get you anything...you really need to be a complete/interesting package on top of having proven yourself academically. i didn't apply there because a class of 35 is just too intimate for me, but I kind of wish I had if only to know what if... assuming your ECs/LORs fall in line with your stats, you've got a good enough shot for it to be well-worth applying I would think.

P.S. I understand wanting to play it safe, but 10-12 schools is probably plenty for you. having USC and NYU in the mix is already a pretty good safety net for you. unless you specifically picked western, loma linda, asdoh, midwestern, case because you want to go there, you can probably cross those off and save a little cash for interviews. (nothing against those schools obviously, but if you picked them just to increase the total count.)
 
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Just go for medical schools. you are wasting your money, time, and our chances of getting in. get out of here. you are not welcome in this section of SDN

:laugh::laugh: looks like that's going to be up to adcoms...he's bringing A-game, better get on his level.

...oooh got that just in time...figures haha.
 
Applying to both indicates you are serious about neither.
 
Lol... I'm Indian. Close enough right? I didn't mean to sound pretentious, guess it might have come off like that.

Anyway, I appreciate the input. I've been leaning towards dental school like I said above, and I think it's a great career. I don't think anyone chooses dentistry because it's their "life long dream" or anything of that nature. They choose it because its fulfilling, with a great lifestyle, lots of perks, and respectability. It's something I can see myself doing for the rest of my life, and I'd be more than satisfied. Med school was something I wanted to do because I had a childish infatuation with it and I'm still attracted to it because I love anything to do with sports medicine, but in the end, I want to keep some of my youth.

I've made up my mind, and I'm going to apply to dental school. Thanks for the thoughts everyone, I appreciate it.

In that case, welcome to our predental forum. You made the right choice.
 
Can always do OMFS, if you're that special breed.
 
There is plenty of time to continue on the ambivalent path.

true, but OP doesn't seem like the type that ****s around...he'll get in, start school, hit the ground running, and that will be that. a lot of people consider both medical school and dental school at some point and the vast majority escape the life of doubt and regret that you're suggesting.
 
true, but OP doesn't seem like the type that ****s around...he'll get in, start school, hit the ground running, and that will be that. a lot of people consider both medical school and dental school at some point and the vast majority escape the life of doubt and regret that you're suggesting.

With such an accurate crystal ball, can you check on the make up and number of pets behind the gated home?
 
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With such an accurate crystal ball, can you check on the make up and number of pets behind the gated home?

haha...no crystal ball. all i'm saying is that betting against a 3.8+/36 MCAT/high AA individual because he's considered other careers in the past and will supposedly be doomed to a "path of ambivalence" is classic doctoothache attention-seeking cynicism.

P.S. disappointed that last one-liner took you 24 minutes to crank out doc...
 
P.S. this is only slightly relevant as an anecdote, but I had a physics teacher in high school that, over the course of a summer in college, took the LSAT, MCAT, DAT, and GRE (and scored in high 90%iles in all of them) before deciding to follow in his mother's/father's/grandfather's/grandmother's/and aunt's footsteps to become a teacher. to this day, he's probably the most passionate and engaging teacher I've ever had, and he sincerely loves his job.
 
Hey guys,

Has anyone here applied to dental school and med school at the same time? I know it's a red flag for adcoms, but I'm leaning toward dental school but there's a part of me that's hanging on to the med school. Sometimes I loose sleep over it... it's killing me. Thoughts? I already have both applications prepared, LORs for each app (it was a pain in the ass), personal statements. I have 15 schools on AMCAS and 14 on AADSAS.


Undergrad: UCI
oGPA: 3.79
s.GPA: 3.84
BCP: 3.83
MCAT: 36
DAT: Scheduled August... predicting 21ish AA

Make up your mind on What do you want to do with the rest of your life? sorry to sound so arrogant but Either you want to be a doctor or a dentist? be prepare to have that questions on MD school or DDS schools during interviews!!! I highly recommend you to go Med school and give your seat to others that really want to be dentist!!! 🙂
 
Make up your mind on What do you want to do with the rest of your life? sorry to sound so arrogant but Either you want to be a doctor or a dentist? be prepare to have that questions on MD school or DDS schools during interviews!!! I highly recommend you to go Med school and give your seat to others that really want to be dentist!!! 🙂

I made up my mind! Submitted my AADSAS app the other day. Gonna be a dentist 🙂

There's no shame in considering other careers. Both of my grandparents were about to go to med school, changed their minds, and instead got PhDs, and they are happy with the way their lives turned out and wouldn't regret it for a second. I always think it's wise to look at all the options life presents you with - it just took me a little longer to decide than most people.
 
I made up my mind! Submitted my AADSAS app the other day. Gonna be a dentist 🙂

There's no shame in considering other careers. Both of my grandparents were about to go to med school, changed their minds, and instead got PhDs, and they are happy with the way their lives turned out and wouldn't regret it for a second. I always think it's wise to look at all the options life presents you with - it just took me a little longer to decide than most people.

congrats. what made you decide dental over medicine?
 
I made up my mind! Submitted my AADSAS app the other day. Gonna be a dentist 🙂

There's no shame in considering other careers. Both of my grandparents were about to go to med school, changed their minds, and instead got PhDs, and they are happy with the way their lives turned out and wouldn't regret it for a second. I always think it's wise to look at all the options life presents you with - it just took me a little longer to decide than most people.

Great!! better than expending so much money on unnecessary fees for schools you dont want to go to...Good Luck!!
 
Glad you made your decision! And a good decision at that. For anyone else out there who is considering applying to both, here's a piece of advice:

Absolutely do not apply to both. If you really don't know whether you want to go to medical or dental school, you need to take a year off and figure it out. Many applications will ask if you've applied to other health professions programs, and saying yes to this will no doubt raise an alarm to adcoms. Lying on that question isn't an option either.

More importantly, going through the application process for both is going to be overwhelming and will give you no time to consider what you really want to do. You may also be swayed one way or the other if you get into a great program for one field and a not-so-great program for another. Overall, you need time to clear your head. Do research for a year. It will strengthen your application and give you time to figure things out.

As a side note to James H, did you request LORs from the same people for both fields? If so, make sure they didn't screw up the letters or say something about applying to both programs. I've seen it happen before. It sounds like you were pretty meticulous about separating both apps so hopefully it's not a concern.

Hey guys,

Has anyone here applied to dental school and med school at the same time? I know it's a red flag for adcoms, but I'm leaning toward dental school but there's a part of me that's hanging on to the med school. Sometimes I loose sleep over it... it's killing me. Thoughts? I already have both applications prepared, LORs for each app (it was a pain in the ass), personal statements. I have 15 schools on AMCAS and 14 on AADSAS.


Undergrad: UCI
oGPA: 3.79
s.GPA: 3.84
BCP: 3.83
MCAT: 36
DAT: Scheduled August... predicting 21ish AA
 
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