Are acceptances for minorities really that skewed?

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

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[Mad Jack]

Probably but I want to see MD4me keep digging that hole.

Care to explain yourself about your humanities hate @MDforMee? ?

As much as I'd love to hear the same, I think derailing in that direction might lock the thread since it's really just picking on one guy on the forum and too removed from the topic at hand.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

I always smile when I see a resident slamming an MS0/premed. Nicely done.

You're such a suck up.
You keep saying "premed" like you're above the fray.
What are you?

Also, Engineering >> Physics

 

[deleted480308]

I'm not certain. I've tried to find it, but it's buried under maybe 4+ months of posts by him. He kept going on about how people who didn't major in physics, chemistry or biology aren't equipped for a medical career and shouldn't be admitted to medical school. It was absurd.

Haha i have degree in Interdisciplinary studied.....it's useless

 

[deleted407021]

You're such a suck up.
You keep saying "premed" like you're above the fray.
What are you?

We're not quite sure, yet. Tests are still being run.

 

[deleted407021]

As much as I'd love to hear the same, I think derailing in that direction might lock the thread since it's really just picking on one guy on the forum and too removed from the topic at hand.

It doesn't have to be "picking on" him. We can certainly have a decent discussion. I'm curious to read his rational. This thread has been derailed for almost a page, anyway.
@MDforMee Enlighten us, please.

 

[Dare2Dream]

They have the lowest acceptance rate because they have the lowest MCAT/GPA. ~90% of Black applicants don't score above a 30 on the MCAT. When you compare overall acceptance rates you are comparing a population (blacks) that has a large proportion of their population with sub-par numbers to a population (whites/asians) that doesn't have as many low numbered applicants. However, if you compare applicants who have the same MCAT/GPA you will see that the Black demographic has the highest acceptance rate.

The subpar numbers is a reflection of the fact that many black applicants are from disadvantaged backgrounds.

 

[WillburCobb]

People keep calling @MDforMee to answer all these questions, but no one is asking the hard hitting questions we all want to know. I guess that leaves it to me... @MDforMee how was NASCAR last night and who won?

 

[deleted407021]

People keep calling @MDforMee to answer all these questions, but no one is asking the hard hitting questions we all want to know. I guess that leaves it to me... @MDforMee how was NASCAR last night and who won?

Whichever redneck successfully drove in a circle the fastest, I guess.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

The subpar numbers is a reflection of the fact that many black applicants are from disadvantaged backgrounds.

Welcome to the thread. You're 12 pages late.

 

[Mr Interesting]

Sure, I get what you're saying here. However, it's been a few decades since these experiments. When does it end? I'm not sure that perpetuating the validity of distrust by actively trying to make sure minorities can see minority doctors is going to do much to heal and move toward a more color blind populace.

To be fair, I offer no solution. Just thinking out loud...

I understand but I am not saying this is a good thing. I'm merely offering a suggestion why it may be understandable why some minority populations may prefer to see a minority physician.

Some of those experiments ended in the 70's. Elderly minority populations who remember this are still alive and some still fear white doctors. This may or not be the norm, but in the E.R. the other night, an elderly minority gentleman refused to take pain medication that he really needed because he feared it would hurt him more than it would help him. He insisted because he was black, poor, and uninsured he would not get quality medication instead he would received new "untested medicine". Sounds ridiculous but certainly his fear is based on real factual events that occurred in his lifetime. He even asked the nurse of the same race if he should take the pain medicine. This is most likely not because he thought the nurse was more knowledgeable than the physician. The E.M. physician (white) handled it like a pro and took a few minutes to establish a level of trust and eventually talked him into it. The E.M. physician told me it's not his fault he feels like this but empathy goes a long way and can help regain trust between patients and doctors and help make patients more compliant. <--- There are excellent white physicians who do this on a regular basis for all races and some minority populations miss out on them but can we honestly blame them?

This patient did allow himself to trust the white physician but again some minority populations still fear them. A lot of dark things happened in our history with minority populations and we are seeing the outcomes of this now... it happened and it sucks but we can't change the past. Slowly but surely things will get better with time. Just my observation though.

 

[487806]

Any juicy rumors on the Cause of Ban?

OP cheated on her boyfriend with a fox...

 

[WillburCobb]

I understand but I am not saying this is a good thing. I'm merely offering a suggestion why it may be understandable why some minority populations may prefer to see a minority physician.

Some of those experiments ended in the 70's. Elderly minority populations who remember this are still alive and some still fear white doctors. This may or not be the norm, but in the E.R. the other night, an elderly minority gentleman refused to take pain medication that he really needed because he feared it would hurt him more than it would help him. He insisted because he was black, poor, and uninsured he would not get quality medication instead he would received new "untested medicine". Sounds ridiculous but certainly his fear is based on real factual events that occurred in his lifetime. He even asked the nurse of the same race if he should take the pain medicine. This is most likely not because he thought the nurse was more knowledgeable than the physician. The E.M. physician (white) handled it like a pro and took a few minutes to establish a level of trust and eventually talked him into it. The E.M. physician told me it's not his fault he feels like this but empathy goes a long way and can help regain trust between patients and doctors and help make patients more compliant. <--- There are excellent white physicians who do this on a regular basis for all races and some minority populations miss out on them but can we honestly blame them?

This patient did allow himself to trust the white physician but again some minority populations still fear them. A lot of dark things happened in our history with minority populations and we are seeing the outcomes of this now... it happened and sucks but we can't change the past. Slowly but surely things will get better with time. Just my observation though.

I saw the exact same thing every single day I shadowed in an ER. Also, this was pretty common while working as an aide in an inpatient setting. Helping URMs into medicine is very important. Also, for the few of you bitching that this isn't fair and that URMs may potentially take your spots, please realize that the spots for URMs are often funded separately than other spots so it usually is that white/Asian guy getting "your" spot.

 

[deleted407021]

OP cheated on her boyfriend with a fox...

You can get banned for that? Hmm...

 

[487806]

You can get banned for that? Hmm...

Well she got banned by her bf at least...

 

[Womb Raider]

African American and Hispanic aren't skin colors though- they're cultures- so all's far to me.

Well we shouldn't use skin color as evidence for culture then.

Considering that the majority of votes from each side is white your comment is:

A)racist
B)ignorant

Pick one. Or both.

Edit, probably the most ironic post I've seen on SDN. Thanks for proving my point man.

Damn, and your a resident? SDN. You're making me lose faith in my future profession with these replies.

What are you even talking about? Do you know? What does the majority have to do with what he said?

I still think its funny that people are crying about affirmative action in med school admissions. You'd think that schools had quotas to fill....which is not true.

Well, someone said the LCME required MD schools to diversify. I'm curious to know how they are enforcing this new requirement.

The irony.

Btw I'm black.

Btw I'm not rich.

Btw you're a hypocrite.

Btw I set your ass up.

Ohhh there's even more irony in your post!
(Not that there was any in his to begin with.....)