Are Em Docs Just Lazy?

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I talked to a Em guy who told me that he works 12 12hr shifts a month. Doesn't even hit 40hrs a week. He wants to take it down to 8 shifts a month. He said he would still be making 160,000. Just a question... If a EM doc makes about $185,000 - $200,000 /yr working 12 shifts a month, is there flexability in that schedule? For instance, if you want to make more money can you work more shifts? or are there caps on how many hours you can work per week or month?
Just curious b/c it seems like rads and anesthesia report higher earnings (250-350,000) but they seem to be pushing 60 hrs a week. Seems like it all comes out to be about the same in the end.

 

[edinOH]

Yes.

I would give you a more detailed answer, but I'm just too lazy.

 

[Febrifuge]

Man, when Quinn gets up from his nap, he's going to kick your booty for that thread title.

Or, maybe not. Depends on how much work it is.

 

[EMRaiden]

If a EM doc makes about $185,000 - $200,000 /yr working 12 shifts a month, is there flexability [sic] in that schedule?

YES

For instance, if you want to make more money can you work more shifts?

YES

are there caps on how many hours you can work per week or month?

NO --- (Well there are no governmental/legislative caps; though common sense and my wife/daughter keep me to 40-48/week).

 

[DrQuinn]

Man, when Quinn gets up from his nap, he's going to kick your booty for that thread title.

Or, maybe not. Depends on how much work it is.

Seriously, that's weird because I just DID wake up from my nap and did debate whether or not to change that title thread.

But man I'm too lazy.

Q, DO

 

[southerndoc]

I'm too lazy to read the posts.

 

[Febrifuge]

Seriously, that's weird because I just DID wake up from my nap and did debate whether or not to change that title thread.

But man I'm too lazy.

Q, DO

GAHH! It's a forum mind-meld!

I won't talk about that thing you were doing, if you don't talk about that thing I was doing. Deal?

 

[spyderdoc]

I too would change the title, but I am too tired after a long day of flying home from vacation thanks to my NICE flexible schedule

 

[!dr_nick!]

No wonder it takes so long to get seen as a patient in ER. I hope next time i dont bleed to death.

 

[kinetic]

They're lazy.

 

[DrQuinn]

They're lazy.

Everyone in this thread agrees with you.

Time to go take a nap again.

Q, DO

 

[kinetic]

Everyone in this thread agrees with you.

Time to go take a nap again.

Q, DO

Nighty night.

 

[spyderdoc]

If you really think that EM docs are lazy, I got a great bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Now zip it so I can get some zzz's...Remember the saying, em docs work hard so they can play (or sleep) hard! It is one of the best "lifestyle" specialties...
Mark

 

[kinetic]

If you really think that EM docs are lazy, I got a great bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Now zip it so I can get some zzz's...Remember the saying, em docs work hard so they can play (or sleep) hard! It is one of the best "lifestyle" specialties...
Mark

Nighty night.

 

[Sessamoid]

I talked to a Em guy who told me that he works 12 12hr shifts a month. Doesn't even hit 40hrs a week. He wants to take it down to 8 shifts a month. He said he would still be making 160,000. Just a question... If a EM doc makes about $185,000 - $200,000 /yr working 12 shifts a month, is there flexability in that schedule? For instance, if you want to make more money can you work more shifts? or are there caps on how many hours you can work per week or month?
Just curious b/c it seems like rads and anesthesia report higher earnings (250-350,000) but they seem to be pushing 60 hrs a week. Seems like it all comes out to be about the same in the end.

No caps. Work as much as you want. Most of us in EM have priorities that don't place medicine 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in importance in our lives. If I worked 60 hours per week, I'd be making a lot more money (probably well over 300K), sure. Would I be any happier as a result? No, I'd probably be less happy, so what would be the point of working more?

One thing to remember about EM work is that it's rotating shift work, so a fair number of hours are functionally lost in switching from day schedules to night and back to days. It's more than it sounds like unless you've done it before.

 

[DocWagner]

I generally work harder during my EM shift than an entire day on medicine "rounding".
I don't even get to poo.
If a man WANTS to poo...yet cannot poo because he is working...that does not make him lazy. It makes him farty.

EM docs are farty.

Simple logic even DO's could figure out.

 

[Sessamoid]

"Charlie Murphy!"

That was one of the funniest skits EVAR!

 

[roja]

scratches self

*yawn*

looks bleary eyed around the room after 12 hours of sleep


*yawn*


shuffles back to bed

 

[kinetic]

Nighty night.

 

[docB]

I generally work harder during my EM shift than an entire day on medicine "rounding".
I don't even get to poo.
If a man WANTS to poo...yet cannot poo because he is working...that does not make him lazy. It makes him farty.

EM docs are farty.

Simple logic even DO's could figure out.

And sometime in each ER docs career you will have worked really hard for 1-2 hours to clear 10 min to hit the bathroom when yet one more ambi with elderly COPD smoker rolls in. So you suck it up and try to fart one more time and suddenly realize that you've "overplayed your hand." Thereafter you'll carry a spare set of shorts in your bag.

 

[Febrifuge]

Oh, the glamor. Oh, the glory. I am so glad I've decided to go back to school. 😀

 

[Freeeedom!]

I am lazyyyyyyyy...
but yet not as lazy as the internal medicine residents who can't do LP's, intubate, run codes, put in central lines, or crap without consulting a friggin text book!!!




Yes I am back.

 

[ERMudPhud]

And sometime in each ER docs career you will have worked really hard for 1-2 hours to clear 10 min to hit the bathroom when yet one more ambi with elderly COPD smoker rolls in. So you suck it up and try to fart one more time and suddenly realize that you've "overplayed your hand." Thereafter you'll carry a spare set of shorts in your bag.

I'd laugh harder except this is painfully true. I have carried and used the extra pair of shorts. A few months ago I had a bit of enteritis, nothing terrible but the kind where every fart is a bit risky. I knew I wouldn't have time to go to the bathroom so I ended up packing and using the extra shorts.

In response to the OP: The group I work for limits full timers to 15 8 hour shifts per month and many work a bit less. They feel that people become less effective and burn out earlier if they are working more than that. Many of my friends try to work only 10 8 hour shifts per month. Part of it is the pace and intensity of the shifts. Part of it is the need to have time to readjust back and forth between different shifts. But mostly its just that there is more to life than money. Oh yeah, and we are all real lazy

 

[devildoc2]

Wait a minute, am I missing something here?

Its common for EMs to only work 12 days out of the month? There are at least 20 workable days (no saturdays or sundays) in a typical month, so what do you do on the other days off?

Thats a very lax lifestyle. Hell you could go play golf 4 times a week with that schedule!

EM is going to skyrocket in popularity if this kind of sched is common. 160k for working 3 days a week on average? Thats insane.

 

[roja]

Wait a minute, am I missing something here?

Its common for EMs to only work 12 days out of the month? There are at least 20 workable days (no saturdays or sundays) in a typical month, so what do you do on the other days off?

Thats a very lax lifestyle. Hell you could go play golf 4 times a week with that schedule!

EM is going to skyrocket in popularity if this kind of sched is common. 160k for working 3 days a week on average? Thats insane.

This is pretty common knowledge. and yet, EM applicationsa re the same. Probably because many people just aren't cut out for the ED. They don't like seeing 15-20 or more patients a day, running codes, putting in lines, consultants, etc...


Oh, my. I am so tired. I guess my nap wasn't long enough. I think I'll go sleep some more... If I weren't to lazy to get off my couch.

 

[!dr_nick!]

EM strikes as the place for "work hard, play hard" people. Am I right? As a type B personality I doubt I would be cut out for it. Guess i will find out in clinicals.

 

[roja]

See post in forum regarding personality types. I'm to damn lazy to retype it all again.

 

[Sessamoid]

EM is going to skyrocket in popularity if this kind of sched is common. 160k for working 3 days a week on average? Thats insane.

If I only made 160K for working three 12 hour shifts a week, I'd be pretty upset. That sounds to me to be on the rather low end of the spectrum.

 

[Apollyon]

I'd laugh harder except this is painfully true. I have carried and used the extra pair of shorts. A few months ago I had a bit of enteritis, nothing terrible but the kind where every fart is a bit risky. I knew I wouldn't have time to go to the bathroom so I ended up packing and using the extra shorts.

Everyone knows the first verse, but I learned the second in military school:

Here I sit
Broken hearted
Tried to ****
But only farted

Next day
Took a chance
Tried to fart
But **** my pants.

The gas, you just blame on patients, but, the dump...totally, different story.

 

[The White Coat Investor]

So you suck it up and try to fart one more time and suddenly realize that you've "overplayed your hand." QUOTE]

Ack! Gambled and lost!

 

[DrQuinn]

So you suck it up and try to fart one more time and suddenly realize that you've "overplayed your hand." QUOTE]

Ack! Gambled and lost!

You got to know when to hold 'em... know when to fold 'em...

Q, DO

 

[docB]

You got to know when to hold 'em... know when to fold 'em...

Q, DO

Now we know why Kenny Rogers always has that s**t eating grin. 😀

 

[kinetic]

If I only made 160K for working three 12 hour shifts a week, I'd be pretty upset. That sounds to me to be on the rather low end of the spectrum.

I'd assume this was sarcasm, except I've learned better ...

 

[Sessamoid]

I'd assume this was sarcasm, except I've learned better ...

If you do the math, it's really not that much. 160,000 / (52 weeks * 36 hours per week) = $85 hour. Definitely on the low end of the scale.

Hell, my brother's an advertising creative, and that's WAY below his day rate.

 

[kinetic]

If you do the math, it's really not that much. 160,000 / (52 weeks * 36 hours per week) = $85 hour. Definitely on the low end of the scale.

Hell, my brother's an advertising creative, and that's WAY below his day rate.

Long live the ER doc ... 🙄

 

[DrQuinn]

Long live the ER doc ... 🙄

Amen, brother!

Q, DO

 

[kinetic]

Amen, brother!

Q, DO

This post of yours affirms to me that using Keanu Reeves as your avatar was the right thing for you to do.

 

[Sessamoid]

This post of yours affirms to me that using Keanu Reeves as your avatar was the right thing for you to do.

blurblflurgl floobldoorgen!

Does any of this make sense?

 

[kinetic]

blurblflurgl floobldoorgen!

Does any of this make sense?

That sounds about like your usual self. Why do you ask?

 

[Sessamoid]

That sounds about like your usual self. Why do you ask?

bwahahahahah!

 

[devildoc2]

So what do all of you guys do with your 3 or 4 days off each week? I bet your golf games must be pretty good!

 

[DrQuinn]

This post of yours affirms to me that using Keanu Reeves as your avatar was the right thing for you to do.

There's a bomb on the bus!

Q, DO

 

[drlisa0318]

Okay, I know I'm an outsider looking in - still in premed AND I'm planning on family medicine - so I'll take your word for it that y'all are lazy. I know I'd love your job, except I doubt I'm cut out for it. Anyway, one thing I'm certain of: Y'all have the FUNNIEST posts! I keep coming back to this thread just to see what silly thing y'all will come up with next!

 

[DrQuinn]

Okay, I know I'm an outsider looking in - still in premed AND I'm planning on family medicine - so I'll take your word for it that y'all are lazy. I know I'd love your job, except I doubt I'm cut out for it. Anyway, one thing I'm certain of: Y'all have the FUNNIEST posts! I keep coming back to this thread just to see what silly thing y'all will come up with next!

As I said in the Academy Award Winner "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure:"

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

Q, DO

 

[bgreet]

As I said in the Academy Award Winner "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure:"

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

Q, DO

 

[roja]

Okay, I know I'm an outsider looking in - still in premed AND I'm planning on family medicine - so I'll take your word for it that y'all are lazy. I know I'd love your job, except I doubt I'm cut out for it. Anyway, one thing I'm certain of: Y'all have the FUNNIEST posts! I keep coming back to this thread just to see what silly thing y'all will come up with next!

Don't let these fools trick you. We are in the business of SAVING LIVES. They just don't want everyone to know that indeed, our life is as glam as ER. And we get laid all the time because we get to say we are ER docs... Even boys fall at our feet....


Oh, and you don't have to worry about the farting... there is usually a malodorous undomiciled somewhere in the ER... just point to them....

Oh, wait, did I say that outloud? 😳

 

[Seaglass]

Oh, wait, did I say that outloud?

Actually that is one of my favorite things about the ER!

 

[edinOH]

Even boys fall at our feet....

I would like to take this moment to point out that roja is a woman.

 

[Sessamoid]

I would like to take this moment to point out that roja is a woman.

And not a Catholic priest. 😱

 

[roja]

Are you gentlemen sure? I used to be a Catholic male priest and then I had an epiphany. I became a woman and dropped the religion. And went for the glory of ER. Of course, it doesn't get me as many men as I'd like but, what can a former priest (ahem, implication male) hope for?