Are Pharmacy Jobs expected to Decrease?

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Ok. So I've read an article talking about how the pharmacy jobs could be saturating in the future. Quite frankly this scares me because it's what I want to do and I know that pharmacy school cost but loads of money. Should I be deterred from pursuing this career any longer? I plan on entering pharmacy school in the year 2011 and also plan on attending in state (Tennessee). I will be coming out of undergraduate school with little to no debt. I will also have a Bachelors of Business Administration-Finance🙂. Should I still pursue the pharmacy career or veer another path of the Health Profession?

Please give me some advice!
 
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Ok. So I've read an article talking about how the pharmacy jobs could be saturating in the future. Quite frankly this scares me because it's what I want to do and I know that pharmacy school cost but loads of money. Should I be deterred from pursuing this career any longer? I plan on entering pharmacy school in the year 2011 and also plan on attending in state (Tennessee). I will be coming out of undergraduate school with little to no debt. I will also have a Bachelors of Business Administration-Finance🙂. Should I still pursue the pharmacy career or veer another path of the Health Profession?

Please give me some advice!

Hey there,

There are quite a few threads addressing the perceived future shortage of Pharmacy openings and the decrease in wages, so please look through the first two pages of this forum and you'll find long, long threads on the matter.

Whether you should still go into Pharmacy is entirely a decision you need to make. Obviously we all think that going into Pharmacy right now and in the future is a good choice... after all, we're all here posting on a pre-pharmacy forum right?

What you might want to do, since you're starting so early in your education thinking about Pharm., is to get a little experience in a couple of settings as a Pharmacist's clerk/technician and see how it goes. Obviously it won't be a complete picture of what your life as a Pharmacist would be, but it could give you insight anyway. Oh, and I highly recommend theangrypharmacist.com for all new up and coming pharmers, including ones with aspirations to work in retail for some ungodly reason.

HTH.
 
by 2011, if pharmacists aren't doing well you can veer off and do something else if you want, although, i don't think this is true. They might get a small paycut, but it's nothing drastic.

What is drastic though is the amount of people posting threads about the prospects of pharmacy all from "this one article."

Check your sources people.
 
On paper with projections and all, things look great, but these reports do not take into account geographical locations and other factors. You will probably not have too many problems finding a job even at that time (if I were to guess), but other problems may arise (dropping salary)

check the thread right below yours right now: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=624244
 
Ok. So I've read an article talking about how the pharmacy jobs could be saturating in the future. Quite frankly this scares me because it's what I want to do and I know that pharmacy school cost but loads of money. Should I be deterred from pursuing this career any longer? I plan on entering pharmacy school in the year 2011 and also plan on attending in state (Tennessee). I will be coming out of undergraduate school with little to no debt. I will also have a Bachelors of Business Administration-Finance🙂. Should I still pursue the pharmacy career or veer another path of the Health Profession?

Please give me some advice!

Since you are planning on getting into a pharmacy school in 2011, I guess you will be done by 2015. It seems like a lot of people are saying that the market may be saturated by 2015 or so. I guess you really have to think hard and enter the career at your own risk, since by then pharmacy will probably be no longer as stable or well-paid as you think. By all means, if you really like the field and don't care about the pay, etc, keep on pursuing. But if you are entering this field for the 6-figure salary or think that you can find a job quite easily, you should probably look for another career, possibly nursing (MSN or NP) or PA as the demand is still there for these two careers, the pay is surprisingly high (90k-100k in CA), and it does not take as long to get the degree. If you have really good grades and want more patient-contact (and don't mind going to school for a little longer), shoot for an MD or DO since the pay and stability (along with respect and prestige) will always be there.
 
Universal healthcare coverage along with cost cutting reforms are going to sharply increase the demand for pharmacists in the coming years. I suggest you all read up on what is happening on capitol hill. I follow the news every day, and I can tell you that it's probably a good bet that more and more insurers and the government itself are going to be pushing to get more people on drugs because they have shown to be statistically more effective than a lot of expensive procedures. Also, the impact of having 50 million more people covered will mean what, a 15% increase in patients in the healthcare system?? Best case situation (obviously false), that would open up 38,000 new pharmacist jobs. However new efficiency methods, the fact that uninsured are not the oldest (although they are some of the sickest), and that they might already be buying drugs, means that we probably wont see a 15% increase in pharmacist demand. Still, there's probably going to be a push to get more people on maintenance and preventative drugs, especially people who are already in the system who will be subjected to coverage cuts , will probably be pressured to go on drugs to save money over the long run instead of waiting until the end to get an expensive procedure.

So with 50 million more patients (all but guaranteed by congress, obama, and the insurance companies) , shouldnt we expect maybe another 15,000 pharmacy jobs to be created?? (a 4% increase in pharmacists?) For reference, for those of you who werent around. At the peak of the pharmacist shortage, when salaries were going up 10% per year... There was an estimated shortage of 10,000 pharmacists.. which still hasnt been fully taken care of.

Also, there are around 5000 pharmacists retiring every year. And the prescription volume demand is increasing by 3-6% per year as well (which has historically opened up 3000-6000 new jobs a year. And this is even before the baby boomers start dying!!.

And on another front.. retail chains are lobbiyng congress strongly to get reimbursement for MTM. I feel like something like that, a medical service that can save a lot of healthcare dollars while improving outcomes, seems like it will be something that gets pushed for as a part of healthcare reform. And if chains can get paid for MTM you can bet they're going to hire as many pharmacists as they can to make the maximum amount of profit.

You might say mail order will absorb all these new prescriptions... Well i'd like to see how profitable mail order becomes when the price of gas goes up to $5-6 a gallon.

Also, taking a look at the pharmacy manpower project, it doesnt look like demand is falling yet! http://www.pharmacymanpower.com/index.html

Considering we are basically at the bottom of the world's worst recession/depression since 1930, and that approximately 10,000 pharmacists just graduated and took available jobs.. The fact that there is still a moderate shortage reported blows my mind. This is the worst time of year for finding a job.. and Also the worst the economy has ever been, and there's still hundreds if not thousands of pharmacy jobs open!! People complaining of saturation tick me off. Especially when they say something like "you cant get any job in this city or this city" .. The other day somebody was saying it was almost impossible to find a job in NYC, and then the next day, a cush NYC job was posted on the pharmacy board and had no takers!

Trust economists and labor market resarch.. not anecdotes. There are plenty of good links on here that lead to real, hard data that is both recent and well reasoned. It would take 20 minutes to find them again so i'm not going to do it now.. but i recommend looking for them. Just dont read any news sites' predictions. Look for actual studies done by pharmacists and economists.

Majority of my stats came from bureau of labor statistics. They keep track of the number of pharmacist jobs created, and number of people who retire each year, in different sectors of the healthcare economy. www.bls.gov
 
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Universal healthcare coverage along with cost cutting reforms are going to sharply increase the demand for pharmacists in the coming years. I suggest you all read up on what is happening on capitol hill. I follow the news every day, and I can tell you that it's probably a good bet that more and more insurers and the government itself are going to be pushing to get more people on drugs because they have shown to be statistically more effective than a lot of expensive procedures. Also, the impact of having 50 million more people covered will mean what, a 15% increase in patients in the healthcare system?? Best case situation (obviously false), that would open up 38,000 new pharmacist jobs. However new efficiency methods, the fact that uninsured are not the oldest (although they are some of the sickest), and that they might already be buying drugs, means that we probably wont see a 15% increase in pharmacist demand. Still, there's probably going to be a push to get more people on maintenance and preventative drugs, especially people who are already in the system who will be subjected to coverage cuts , will probably be pressured to go on drugs to save money over the long run instead of waiting until the end to get an expensive procedure.

So with 50 million more patients (all but guaranteed by congress, obama, and the insurance companies) , shouldnt we expect maybe another 15,000 pharmacy jobs to be created?? (a 4% increase in pharmacists?) For reference, for those of you who werent around. At the peak of the pharmacist shortage, when salaries were going up 10% per year... There was an estimated shortage of 10,000 pharmacists.. which still hasnt been fully taken care of.

Also, there are around 5000 pharmacists retiring every year. And the prescription volume demand is increasing by 3-6% per year as well (which has historically opened up 3000-6000 new jobs a year. And this is even before the baby boomers start dying!!.

And on another front.. retail chains are lobbiyng congress strongly to get reimbursement for MTM. I feel like something like that, a medical service that can save a lot of healthcare dollars while improving outcomes, seems like it will be something that gets pushed for as a part of healthcare reform. And if chains can get paid for MTM you can bet they're going to hire as many pharmacists as they can to make the maximum amount of profit.

You might say mail order will absorb all these new prescriptions... Well i'd like to see how profitable mail order becomes when the price of gas goes up to $5-6 a gallon.

Also, taking a look at the pharmacy manpower project, it doesnt look like demand is falling yet! http://www.pharmacymanpower.com/index.html

Considering we are basically at the bottom of the world's worst recession/depression since 1930, and that approximately 10,000 pharmacists just graduated and took available jobs.. The fact that there is still a moderate shortage reported blows my mind. This is the worst time of year for finding a job.. and Also the worst the economy has ever been, and there's still hundreds if not thousands of pharmacy jobs open!! People complaining of saturation tick me off. Especially when they say something like "you cant get any job in this city or this city" .. The other day somebody was saying it was almost impossible to find a job in NYC, and then the next day, a cush NYC job was posted on the pharmacy board and had no takers!

Trust economists and labor market resarch.. not anecdotes. There are plenty of good links on here that lead to real, hard data that is both recent and well reasoned. It would take 20 minutes to find them again so i'm not going to do it now.. but i recommend looking for them. Just dont read any news sites' predictions. Look for actual studies done by pharmacists and economists.

Majority of my stats came from bureau of labor statistics. They keep track of the number of pharmacist jobs created, and number of people who retire each year, in different sectors of the healthcare economy. www.bls.gov

What? No pharmacy apocolypse?? Balderdash!

I've been reading up on the current plan for a gov't sponsored health-care plan as well. Seems quite interesting. I'm sick of the ongoing saturation cry as well. Yes, it may not be as easy to get a job as it was the past 5 years, but it's not going to go from everybody has multiple job offers to almost no new graduate can get a job in a matter of a couple years.
 
See also:
1. Increased demand with increasing population of aging baby boomers
2. Ever expanding start-up biotech companies with potential drugs
3. The wide range of jobs available to a Pharm D.

Health fields are always in demand. And keep your eyes peeled. Often there are articles listing jobs with the most stable future in the coming years...pharmacy and health fields are almost always on them
 
Universal healthcare coverage along with cost cutting reforms are going to sharply increase the demand for pharmacists in the coming years. I suggest you all read up on what is happening on capitol hill. I follow the news every day, and I can tell you that it's probably a good bet that more and more insurers and the government itself are going to be pushing to get more people on drugs because they have shown to be statistically more effective than a lot of expensive procedures. Also, the impact of having 50 million more people covered will mean what, a 15% increase in patients in the healthcare system?? Best case situation (obviously false), that would open up 38,000 new pharmacist jobs. However new efficiency methods, the fact that uninsured are not the oldest (although they are some of the sickest), and that they might already be buying drugs, means that we probably wont see a 15% increase in pharmacist demand. Still, there's probably going to be a push to get more people on maintenance and preventative drugs, especially people who are already in the system who will be subjected to coverage cuts , will probably be pressured to go on drugs to save money over the long run instead of waiting until the end to get an expensive procedure.

So with 50 million more patients (all but guaranteed by congress, obama, and the insurance companies) , shouldnt we expect maybe another 15,000 pharmacy jobs to be created?? (a 4% increase in pharmacists?) For reference, for those of you who werent around. At the peak of the pharmacist shortage, when salaries were going up 10% per year... There was an estimated shortage of 10,000 pharmacists.. which still hasnt been fully taken care of.

Also, there are around 5000 pharmacists retiring every year. And the prescription volume demand is increasing by 3-6% per year as well (which has historically opened up 3000-6000 new jobs a year. And this is even before the baby boomers start dying!!.

And on another front.. retail chains are lobbiyng congress strongly to get reimbursement for MTM. I feel like something like that, a medical service that can save a lot of healthcare dollars while improving outcomes, seems like it will be something that gets pushed for as a part of healthcare reform. And if chains can get paid for MTM you can bet they're going to hire as many pharmacists as they can to make the maximum amount of profit.

You might say mail order will absorb all these new prescriptions... Well i'd like to see how profitable mail order becomes when the price of gas goes up to $5-6 a gallon.

Also, taking a look at the pharmacy manpower project, it doesnt look like demand is falling yet! http://www.pharmacymanpower.com/index.html

Considering we are basically at the bottom of the world's worst recession/depression since 1930, and that approximately 10,000 pharmacists just graduated and took available jobs.. The fact that there is still a moderate shortage reported blows my mind. This is the worst time of year for finding a job.. and Also the worst the economy has ever been, and there's still hundreds if not thousands of pharmacy jobs open!! People complaining of saturation tick me off. Especially when they say something like "you cant get any job in this city or this city" .. The other day somebody was saying it was almost impossible to find a job in NYC, and then the next day, a cush NYC job was posted on the pharmacy board and had no takers!

Trust economists and labor market resarch.. not anecdotes. There are plenty of good links on here that lead to real, hard data that is both recent and well reasoned. It would take 20 minutes to find them again so i'm not going to do it now.. but i recommend looking for them. Just dont read any news sites' predictions. Look for actual studies done by pharmacists and economists.

Majority of my stats came from bureau of labor statistics. They keep track of the number of pharmacist jobs created, and number of people who retire each year, in different sectors of the healthcare economy. www.bls.gov

Thank you very much for this! I was naive to be worried because of two Threads on this board.
 
Thank you very much for this! I was naive to be worried because of two Threads on this board.

it is not naive to be concerned or abreast of the changing situation in Pharmacy.

It's changing, you can bet on that... but no one knows how.

The best idea is, like with anything, read voraciously and don't put too much stock into any one particular source... Just take it all in and don't let it sway you too much one way or another. It's just good to know.
 
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Why do people put there's a demand of 10,000-15,000 for pharmacist when each year 10,000 students or so graduate. It doesn't take long to fill that number. Pharmacy is a respectable career and the salary will be there close to 100k but the question will be "will there be jobs for new grads". Soon employers might start looking at GPA, experience, etc rather than just a pharmD. My prediction is that the salary will be around the same or better bc the profit level is high with drugs but there will be alot who can't find jobs and it will be the fault of the ppl who are allowing more schools to open up.
 
If I had to do it all over again and I were in your position on track to graduate in 2015, I would make sure to get into a top 10 national program in order to position myself for any coming surpluses on the labor side.

Getting into random podunk programs like D'Youville (wtf is that), california northstate, or other standalone programs just won't cut it come 2015.

and remember when "universal healthcare" was priority #1 in the 90's? Yeah...I expect SOME sort of reform to come through, but recall that the new dems of the congress come from historically conservative districts.... so they're not exactly bleeding heart liberals. Your healthcare reform will hinge on the ability to capture the votes of these moderate democrats. If part D is tinkered with and reimbursement rates for this magical "universal HC plan" are painfully low, profit margins are affected thus having a potentiating effect on hiring.

So....universal healthcare does NOT necessarily equate to more pharmacists getting hired.

With costs the way they are, there is no way the gov't can support covering ~40M+ uninsured people without doing some sort of dismantling of other programs or playing with the cost structure. Even if this mythical $65/mo insurance is offered...some people can't even afford THAT.
 
My prediction is that the salary will be around the same or better bc the profit level is high with drugs

Man, what planet are you living on? Just curious what the margins at your store are that you're able to say that.
 
If I had to do it all over again and I were in your position on track to graduate in 2015, I would make sure to get into a top 10 national program in order to position myself for any coming surpluses on the labor side.

Getting into random podunk programs like D'Youville (wtf is that), california northstate, or other standalone programs just won't cut it come 2015.

and remember when "universal healthcare" was priority #1 in the 90's? Yeah...I expect SOME sort of reform to come through, but recall that the new dems of the congress come from historically conservative districts.... so they're not exactly bleeding heart liberals. Your healthcare reform will hinge on the ability to capture the votes of these moderate democrats. If part D is tinkered with and reimbursement rates for this magical "universal HC plan" are painfully low, profit margins are affected thus having a potentiating effect on hiring.

So....universal healthcare does NOT necessarily equate to more pharmacists getting hired.

With costs the way they are, there is no way the gov't can support covering ~40M+ uninsured people without doing some sort of dismantling of other programs or playing with the cost structure. Even if this mythical $65/mo insurance is offered...some people can't even afford THAT.


Very good post. I am hearing that declining reimbursement for part D is all but imminent at this point.
 
it's all about networking people. doesn't matter what others tell you, if you know someone who knows a pharmacy job opening and can help you get in, you're golden.
 
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