Are you/were you a DO Traditional Rotating Intern?

[Ministry]

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I just have a few questions. My life has taken a 180-degree turn since MD-match day, and I'm wiping my slate for now.

If the Traditional Rotating Intern year is meant for you to explore all specialties further, how does this work?

1. Are you too busy working that you don't have time to "explore" specialties?

2. Interview season starts for DO programs in November, and then MD programs in December. So it seems to me that you have not taken the WHOLE year to explore your options if you have to throw your hat in the ring for residency 1/2way through. Is this true?

I'm hoping to hear some success stories. I'm worried that I'm going to fade into the sunset now that my initial dream did not come true.

Thanks! 🙂

 

[NRAI2001]

I just have a few questions. My life has taken a 180-degree turn since MD-match day, and I'm wiping my slate for now.

If the Traditional Rotating Intern year is meant for you to explore all specialties further, how does this work?

1. Are you too busy working that you don't have time to "explore" specialties?

2. Interview season starts for DO programs in November, and then MD programs in December. So it seems to me that you have not taken the WHOLE year to explore your options if you have to throw your hat in the ring for residency 1/2way through. Is this true?

I'm hoping to hear some success stories. I'm worried that I'm going to fade into the sunset now that my initial dream did not come true.

Thanks! 🙂

Bump.

Also another question, is the Trad year as tough as an Intern year? From what I hear the Trad year is generally not very difficult in comparison to an Intern year?

 

[DeLaughterDO]

I don't know where you heard that a TRI is less difficult than an "intern year," whatever that means - a TRI IS an intern year, and I am not expecting it to be anything less than that when I start mine in July.

But if it was, that would be sweet!! 😎

 

[Molly Maquire]

In general, any transitional year, whether it be a traditional osteopathic year or an MD year, is easier than doing an internship in prelim medicine or surgery. This is because you have more electives, rotations like ambulatory care, and less months of call.

 

[Ministry]

In general, any transitional year, whether it be a traditional osteopathic year or an MD year, is easier than doing an internship in prelim medicine or surgery. This is because you have more electives, rotations like ambulatory care, and less months of call.

Do you have any experience with the questions I posed in my original post? If you do, I'd love to hear more. Thanks!

 

[medlaw06]

I just have a few questions. My life has taken a 180-degree turn since MD-match day, and I'm wiping my slate for now.

If the Traditional Rotating Intern year is meant for you to explore all specialties further, how does this work?

1. Are you too busy working that you don't have time to "explore" specialties?

2. Interview season starts for DO programs in November, and then MD programs in December. So it seems to me that you have not taken the WHOLE year to explore your options if you have to throw your hat in the ring for residency 1/2way through. Is this true?

I'm hoping to hear some success stories. I'm worried that I'm going to fade into the sunset now that my initial dream did not come true.

Thanks! 🙂

My fiance is doing her traditional rotation year so I have some input, I hope . First of all, the trad. year for DOs and the internship for MDs is NO didfferent, just the programs are different from each other. In other words, there are easier trad years at a certain program, and more difficult ones at another program. This is the same for MD internship year, in that there are easier programs and more difficult programs (see scutwork, when they say "...DO (NOT) come here for your internship...choose something more cush..." My fiance is at a place where she has 4 months of electives, and there was another trad year program that she interviewed at that had only 1, so this is why she chose where she is at now.

So, the way the trad year works is that you'll have a month of OB, and another month of peds, and another month of surgery, and another month of ortho, and another couple of months for gen med, etc....this is how you "explore" other fields, even though the same "exploration" goes on in MD prelim year for those entering certain fields like neuro, ortho, anes, or any other field that technically begins at PGY2 year. once again, THERE IS NO/LITTLE DIFFERENCE. THink about it, how can an ENTIRE profession's (i.e. DO) internship be easier or harder than anothers (i.e. MD) since patient population doesn't change, and neither does your census, or difficulty of patient pathology. By that, I mean that these things do not change because the institution is a DO institution or an MD institution, but these things DO change from program to program since if you are in the inner city (MD or DO), you will see a different subset of patients than you would see in rural settings (MD or DO), and a program may have call q3 or q4 (MD or DO). I think you know what I mean.

The interview thing is interesting, but same as well. What my fiance did was "match" the osteo match for her trad year ONLY and did the allo match for her residency. This is pretty much cut and dry, but if you are doing a joint porgram in which your internship year is at the same place as your residency, then it makes no difference since you are only applying to that 1 place. 1 thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the outcome of matching at a certain match. By that, I mean that you, the applicant, matches at EITHER the allo OR the osteo match if applying to a program where you do your internship year at the same institution. Let's say for example, you are interviewing at 2 places, 1 is DO and another is MD and the internship year and the residency is at the same hospital. If you rank the osteo program in the osteo match, and you match at that place, then you are automatuically exempt from the allo match, since you have, in essence, already signed a contract. Same applies vice versa if you matched at the allo place. The thing that complicates the lives of DO students is the time issue since the osteo match is earlier than the allo match, so the student has to make a careful decision as to rank the osteo program and do the osteo match or not since it's earlier that the allo match.

Hope this helped, even a little

 

[Ministry]

Thanks Medlaw!

I do not have a residency spot for 2007. I will be interviewing next winter. Question: What do I need to do to make sure this is not going to be a problem at my Internship site? How many interviews can you do?

 

[NRAI2001]

My fiance is doing her traditional rotation year so I have some input, I hope . First of all, the trad. year for DOs and the internship for MDs is NO didfferent, just the programs are different from each other. In other words, there are easier trad years at a certain program, and more difficult ones at another program. This is the same for MD internship year, in that there are easier programs and more difficult programs (see scutwork, when they say "...DO (NOT) come here for your internship...choose something more cush..." My fiance is at a place where she has 4 months of electives, and there was another trad year program that she interviewed at that had only 1, so this is why she chose where she is at now.

So, the way the trad year works is that you'll have a month of OB, and another month of peds, and another month of surgery, and another month of ortho, and another couple of months for gen med, etc....this is how you "explore" other fields, even though the same "exploration" goes on in MD prelim year for those entering certain fields like neuro, ortho, anes, or any other field that technically begins at PGY2 year. once again, THERE IS NO/LITTLE DIFFERENCE. THink about it, how can an ENTIRE profession's (i.e. DO) internship be easier or harder than anothers (i.e. MD) since patient population doesn't change, and neither does your census, or difficulty of patient pathology. By that, I mean that these things do not change because the institution is a DO institution or an MD institution, but these things DO change from program to program since if you are in the inner city (MD or DO), you will see a different subset of patients than you would see in rural settings (MD or DO), and a program may have call q3 or q4 (MD or DO). I think you know what I mean.

The interview thing is interesting, but same as well. What my fiance did was "match" the osteo match for her trad year ONLY and did the allo match for her residency. This is pretty much cut and dry, but if you are doing a joint porgram in which your internship year is at the same place as your residency, then it makes no difference since you are only applying to that 1 place. 1 thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the outcome of matching at a certain match. By that, I mean that you, the applicant, matches at EITHER the allo OR the osteo match if applying to a program where you do your internship year at the same institution. Let's say for example, you are interviewing at 2 places, 1 is DO and another is MD and the internship year and the residency is at the same hospital. If you rank the osteo program in the osteo match, and you match at that place, then you are automatuically exempt from the allo match, since you have, in essence, already signed a contract. Same applies vice versa if you matched at the allo place. The thing that complicates the lives of DO students is the time issue since the osteo match is earlier than the allo match, so the student has to make a careful decision as to rank the osteo program and do the osteo match or not since it's earlier that the allo match.

Hope this helped, even a little

👍

 

[NRAI2001]

Thanks Medlaw!

I do not have a residency spot for 2007. I will be interviewing next winter. Question: What do I need to do to make sure this is not going to be a problem at my Internship site? How many interviews can you do?

Good luck 🙂

 

[medlaw06]

Thanks Medlaw!

I do not have a residency spot for 2007. I will be interviewing next winter. Question: What do I need to do to make sure this is not going to be a problem at my Internship site? How many interviews can you do?

Real quick, since I gotta take off in a few minutes....but the answer to your question depends on the contract that you have signed at the internship place that you are at (I am under the assumption that you are about to start your osteo internship year in a few months and will be applying for your RESIDENCY this coming winter). What I mean by what I said about the wording of the contract is whether or not the contract you essentially signed when you matched for your internship is ONLY for the internship year and NOT anything beyond. This was an issue that my fiance wanted to make certain when she was matching the osteo match for her rotating internship. She wanted to make certain that the contract she was signing at the traditonal internship was FOR ONLY THE INTERNSHIP YEAR. This is when she turned to her trusty lawyer....meaning me! 😍 It's really easy to be honest. If you applied to your program under the heading of "transitional year" (or whatever the lingo is), then when you matched at that place, it is ONLY FOR THIS 1 YEAR! Speaking sports, you essentially become a free agent after your 1 year, and you can DO WHATEVER you want for your residency!

So, I think you should apply for residencies in WHATEVER you want, either allo OR osteo. Assuming you apply to both, schedule your osteo interviews first since this match is earlier (October/November) than allo interviews (November/December), BUT MAKE SURE ALL YOUR INTERVIEWS ARE DONE BEFORE THE OSTEO ROL DATE, so you have an idea of ALL the hospitals you have interviewed at. Then decide for yourself where you want to be.....which hospital you like, where you felt most comfortable, where is the education best, research opportunities, etc. Basiocally, look at factors that you consider are important (for me it was location since my fiance will start her residency in NYC), and see which hospitals fir it the best. If you like the oseo hospital as your #1, then do the osteo match, which is earlier anyways, and you can stroll through your internship year (if thats possible ). ANd if you like a hospital, and it just happens to be an allo place, then DO NOT do the ROL for osteo and do the allo instead. You're already in a good shape since you don't have to worry about obtaining your license in those 5 a** backward states which REQUIRE you to do your trad year at an osteopathic institution (I am screwed since I will be at Einstein Beth Israel for IM and will be doing my internship at at an allo place and thus will not be able to practice in those 5 staes, which I don't even know all of them--PA is 1, I think FL is another) But that doesn't bother me, and is something that you won't need to worry about anyways.

Take care!

Hope this helped as well.....

Crap....I'm late!!! Gotta go hit the bars.....again 😍 😍 😀 😀