Article: "Nurse Practitioner Or Doctor: What's The Difference?" Answer: Nothing!

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Coastie said:
Awesome.

Thanks for decreasing the views of my thread.

Always nice to hide the noctor issue from the general residency forum. 👍
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This is the SDN Hospice, where threads are moved to so they may die in peace. :laugh:
 
Take a second to register.... Then respond on the site. This is, after all, a public opinion battle they are waging.
 
I just went to the CHC website and sent out some emails to the physicians there that their leadership put out this press release stating that the NPs in their organization were equivalent to physicians.

I will report their replies.
 
Socrates25 said:
I just went to the CHC website and sent out some emails to the physicians there that their leadership put out this press release stating that the NPs in their organization were equivalent to physicians.

I will report their replies.
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Nicely done 👍
 
Posted in the comments. I'll also do the same thing as Socrates and see what comes out of it.

Edit: Socrates, where did you find the email addresses? I can only find them for the executive team, not any physicians.
 
I don't understand why the types of people who compete hard to get into medical school, compete hard to get good grades, compete hard to get good volunteering and shadowing opportunities to boost their resumes, and compete hard to get their desired residency/fellowship completely STOP competing when it comes to public opinion, public policy, or anything in the political landscape that negatively affects physicians. I want all of you pre-meds, med students, and physicians out there to know that we CAN have more power than their propaganda machine if we try. Their entire machine is a top-down approach, putting out publications in various media to brain-feed the masses. We MUST get people active and aware of the fact that a physician's education CANNOT BE DUPLICATED BY ANOTHER FIELD. We can start a true bottom-up movement. Maybe write articles for local health magazines, blog about it, etc. Use creative means to spread the message. We should all be activists and protect our own interests, since it's quite obvious that the old boys at the AMA and other similar organizations are too flaccid and weak to rattle a few cages and do what's right for us.
 
DOwnage said:
I don't understand why the types of people who compete hard to get into medical school, compete hard to get good grades, compete hard to get good volunteering and shadowing opportunities to boost their resumes, and compete hard to get their desired residency/fellowship completely STOP competing when it comes to public opinion, public policy, or anything in the political landscape that negatively affects physicians. I want all of you pre-meds, med students, and physicians out there to know that we CAN have more power than their propaganda machine if we try. Their entire machine is a top-down approach, putting out publications in various media to brain-feed the masses. We MUST get people active and aware of the fact that a physician's education CANNOT BE DUPLICATED BY ANOTHER FIELD. We can start a true bottom-up movement. Maybe write articles for local health magazines, blog about it, etc. Use creative means to spread the message. We should all be activists and protect our own interests, since it's quite obvious that the old boys at the AMA and other similar organizations are too flaccid and weak to rattle a few cages and do what's right for us.
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And all God's people said, "Amen."
 
Agreed. (Unfortunately you can't see or hear my very enthusiastic standing ovation. Really, I AM tho, DOwnage 🙂)

IDK if I'm always "late" to these posts, but I like to make the point that even tho there are areas in healthcare where there is a shortage (rural communities and Indian reservations), all of these wannabe's have their place and their purpose.

HOWEVER, my point is, this push for "equivalency" is flawed. I'm sure enough of us aspire to do even MORE w/ our MD's/DO's after a productive fulfilling 😉 life in practice. Chief of staff. Partner or CEO of a group practice. Clinical advisor to the new breed of med student. Consultant or VP of a medical device or pharmaceutical company. Big shot for an insurance company.

What all of these have in common is that I really have NOT come across anyone to hold those positions that was a NP or PA, or whoever wants to CLAIM "equivalency". Across the board, these positions are held by MD's/DO's!!!! If you can find an exception great, but I would like to claim 100% of the time...I'll say 99.9% just in case tho

And even tho this point gets a little loftier, the NP PA "machine" will not be able to affect the future of healthcare, as far as leadership and important decisions are made, as long as we have passionate doctors!

Although this can't sound anything but arrogant/cocky, but I'll be damned if I have to take orders from NP or PA!
 
DOwnage said:
I don't understand why the types of people who compete hard to get into medical school, compete hard to get good grades, compete hard to get good volunteering and shadowing opportunities to boost their resumes, and compete hard to get their desired residency/fellowship completely STOP competing when it comes to public opinion, public policy, or anything in the political landscape that negatively affects physicians. I want all of you pre-meds, med students, and physicians out there to know that we CAN have more power than their propaganda machine if we try. Their entire machine is a top-down approach, putting out publications in various media to brain-feed the masses. We MUST get people active and aware of the fact that a physician's education CANNOT BE DUPLICATED BY ANOTHER FIELD. We can start a true bottom-up movement. Maybe write articles for local health magazines, blog about it, etc. Use creative means to spread the message. We should all be activists and protect our own interests, since it's quite obvious that the old boys at the AMA and other similar organizations are too flaccid and weak to rattle a few cages and do what's right for us.
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Many of the medical students I know aren't exactly up to date on current events, or even have a very robust social, political, and economic world view. On top of that, many compete simply to compete. For many, it's not money that drives them, but a innate drive to excel in academics.
 
bronx43 said:
Many of the medical students I know aren't exactly up to date on current events, or even have a very robust social, political, and economic world view. On top of that, many compete simply to compete. For many, it's not money that drives them, but a innate drive to excel in academics.
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I second this. It has been my experience with nearly every student that I've met.

I feel safe in assuming that all of us are driven to be at least somewhat competitive; and, the academic environment of constant comparison seems to engender and grow these feelings.
 
Just for the record, the "article" wasn't really and article at all -- it was a press release. If I were the the paper's publisher, I'd kick the editor's butt for not requiring them to buy and add. This kind of thing is not uncommon for small newspapers, because they need to fill column inches.

That being said, I'm pissed about the equivalency movement as well.

Ed
 
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wow! i thought duke was supposed to be a good school.... looks like it is a total joke.
 
PharmaTope said:
Duke's DNP program offers advantages such as:

  • Comprehensive 3 day on-campus orientation
  • Online courses with 4 executive on-campus sessions (2-3 days per session; October, February, June, October)
  • Pursue your degree without leaving your job
  • Faculty with broad experience in advanced clinical practice, leadership, and patient safety

wow! i thought duke was supposed to be a good school.... looks like it is a total joke.
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It's strange how some of the best universities can have some of the crappiest NP programs. Didn't the DNP nonsense start at Columbia?

Or maybe it isn't odd. As long as they can con people into thinking the DNP is the same as being a doctor, they can charge their typical exorbitant tuition rates, after all. And they only have to see their little underachiever four times. Bonus!
 
I almost puke when I read that article!! Nurses don't know what's coming their way if they continue with this bull-sh@t of NP/DNP-MD's.
 
Gflip - Please don't throw PAs in with the bunch of "wannabe Doctors". The construct of the PA is centered around the primacy of the physician in the healthcare team; independent practice is verboten as every PA must have a supervising physician, and there is no organized movement within the PA profession to change this.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Gflip - Please don't throw PAs in with the bunch of "wannabe Doctors". The construct of the PA is centered around the primacy of the physician in the healthcare team; independent practice is verboten as every PA must have a supervising physician, and there is no organized movement within the PA profession to change this.
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Agreed. My fiancee is in PA school. I have seen her lectures on ethics/medical laws and they all stress the collaberation of PA with physician. When I walk into her PA school building I am greeted with signs from the AAPA that explain what a PA is... and it goes something like this "I am a PA who is trained in a medical model. I work with in a medical team headed by a physician, because this is the best form of care."
 
Coastie, thanks for posting that "article" (aka press release, aka propaganda).

Socrates25 said:
I just went to the CHC website and sent out some emails to the physicians there that their leadership put out this press release stating that the NPs in their organization were equivalent to physicians.

I will report their replies.
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Kaushik said:
Posted in the comments. I'll also do the same thing as Socrates and see what comes out of it.

Edit: Socrates, where did you find the email addresses? I can only find them for the executive team, not any physicians.
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Did you guys hear back from them?
 
badasshairday said:
Agreed. My fiancee is in PA school. I have seen her lectures on ethics/medical laws and they all stress the collaberation of PA with physician. When I walk into her PA school building I am greeted with signs from the AAPA that explain what a PA is... and it goes something like this "I am a PA who is trained in a medical model. I work with in a medical team headed by a physician, because this is the best form of care."
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Proof?
 
zenman said:
Proof?
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20705811

"Efforts to improve efficiency without physician leadership and buy-in have been unsuccessful...Physician leadership, interdisciplinary team dynamics, and standardization of practice play crucial roles in reducing length of stay."

One of the first results that came up on a PubMed search. Seems like physician leadership plays an important role in efficient care of CHF patients. I will admit that I did not read the study beyond the abstract though. So I don't know of any flaws in methodology. However, it seems like a ton of articles popped up when searching for physician leadership on PubMed. Seems like there's a decent bit of evidence for it.

Hope this helps.
 
Okay, here's the diff. NP's DON'T have nearly the education, training, you know what i mean. They maybe easy to get into to see, but how do you know your getting the correct care and diagnosis??? They think there actual Phyisicans:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Now don't get me wrong there are some good NP's out there, BUT they need to work within there title or what they know if i am making sence? Many of them work way out of what there actually capable, and trained in! PERIOD!

Some say that NP's are taking over in general type healthcare, FP, ect.
That's really all they can do, for the most part, of course there are CNM's



BOTTOM LINE COMPARING D.O.'S AND M.D'S TO "np's" Well there is no comparision, np's are not doc's, you need to actually graduate med school, then on to residency min 3 yrs all the way to 5+ depending on what your going into.

"ACTUAL PHYISICANS, D.O.'S AND M.D.'S THE TOP OF THE TOP IN HEALTH CARE!!! PERIOD!!!
 
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It's not truly a "news" article.

It's a press release for the clinic which probably is run by a bunch of clueless NP's. So obviously they won't be truthful in their advertising.
 
Kaushik said:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20705811

"Efforts to improve efficiency without physician leadership and buy-in have been unsuccessful...Physician leadership, interdisciplinary team dynamics, and standardization of practice play crucial roles in reducing length of stay."

One of the first results that came up on a PubMed search. Seems like physician leadership plays an important role in efficient care of CHF patients. I will admit that I did not read the study beyond the abstract though. So I don't know of any flaws in methodology. However, it seems like a ton of articles popped up when searching for physician leadership on PubMed. Seems like there's a decent bit of evidence for it.

Hope this helps.
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Nice rebuttal 👍
 
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