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I have a feeling a good number on this forum are asian americans. Just wondering how you guys feel about how being asain affects your chance of getting into medical school. It appears to me that 20% of applicants are asian and 20% of medical school matriculants are asian, and have 40% chance of being accepted to medical school. The only difference is on average, lower accepted scores on VR (-.6) and significantly higher ones on PS and BS (+.8) than whites. Which about averages out. So it seems at least statisticallywise, there's no disadvantage to applying, and certainly no advantage. That said, I also feel that on interviews, I see way more than 20% asian applicants, so i am sure that the stats are skewed to include more asians on the coastal schools and much less in the middle states. Anyways, I am interested in your viewpoints on this.
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[physicsguy]

I'm Indian (born/raised in America), not sure if this counts as "Asian" for the purposes of this thread.

On perusing MDapplicants, I find that typically Indians and Asians who interview seem to have higher scores than everyone else. Maybe it's just selection bias on my part, or simply the fact that MDapplicants isn't necessarily a random sample. If the statistics that you cite are true, then this is quite encouraging to me. Do you know if the average GPA of Asian or Indian matriculants is about the same as for everyone else?

 

[chman]

I have a feeling a good number on this forum are asian americans. Just wondering how you guys feel about how being asain affects your chance of getting into medical school. It appears to me that 20% of applicants are asian and 20% of medical school matriculants are asian, and have 40% chance of being accepted to medical school. The only difference is on average, lower accepted scores on VR (-.6) and significantly higher ones on PS and BS (+.8) than whites. Which about averages out. So it seems at least statisticallywise, there's no disadvantage to applying, and certainly no advantage. That said, I also feel that on interviews, I see way more than 20% asian applicants, so i am sure that the stats are skewed to include more asians on the coastal schools and much less in the middle states. Anyways, I am interested in your viewpoints on this.
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Wait..if 20% of apps are asian and 20% of matriculation are asian, that means asian apps have a 100% acceptance rate!😱

 

[MSSM2013]

Wait..if 20% of apps are asian and 20% of matriculation are asian, that means asian apps have a 100% acceptance rate!😱

the matriculatants do not have to be 100% of the applicants. in fact, it's roughly 47% last time I checked.

 

[BerlinDude]

Wait..if 20% of apps are asian and 20% of matriculation are asian, that means asian apps have a 100% acceptance rate!😱

Pick up a math book dude. Failing that, at least think before you post. Christ, it means that Asian applicants have the same acceptance rate as the general application pool.

The general impression out there is that Asians (brown/yellow/tan) have a harder time getting into med school than others.

 

[NotSur]

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[chman]

Jesus! It was a joke, not the best crafted, yet still a joke. Lighten up.

 

[SirGecko]

The general impression out there is that Asians (brown/yellow/tan) have a harder time getting into med school than others.

By that do you mean they don't get the URM boost? (because they aren't underrepresented in medicine) If that isn't what you meant then I don't know what you are talking about. I've never heard of Asians having a more difficult time than everyone else.

 

[mdeast]

If by that do you mean they don't get the URM boost? (because they aren't underrepresented in medicine) If that isn't what you meant then I don't know what you are talking about. I've never heard of Asians having a more difficult time than everyone else.

I think if there as any bias against Asians in the admissions process it has little to do with a race and more to do with the fact that they're disproportionately CA residents 🙂

( That is mildly a joke btw. )

 

[chman]

I think if there as any bias against Asians in the admissions process it has little to do with a race and more to do with the fact that they're disproportionately CA residents 🙂

( That is mildly a joke btw. )

Better watch out, jokes are not acceptable on this thread.

 

[Contrarian]

Better watch out, jokes are not acceptable on this thread.

the internet is serious business.

 

[texahn]

interwebz is on fire

 

[strummin]

Define Asian.

Do you mean people with an epicanthic fold, or does this include brown-skinned people as well?

 

[bigbad]

Define Asian.

Do you mean people with an epicanthic fold, or does this include brown-skinned people as well?

Mexicans aren't considered asian.

 

[riceman04]

Mexicans aren't considered asian.

I told my Paki friend that the south asians would have to work something out with the latinos b/c both of y'all can't claim that color

One of y'all has to pick something else...like orange...or pick one of those crazy colors you only find in a box of crayons...

 

[bannie22]

im asian, not american. do i get in?

 

[Infinitydrop]

Any asians that is not a URM, so most koreans, chinese, and Indians.

And correction to my orginal post. It refers to applicants. The average matriculate has .2 VR lower than whites, and 1.1 higher in BS and PS combined, and same GPA as whites. So it would seem that to have the same chance of acceptance as whites, Asians on avergae need an extra mcat point.

 

[bannie22]

^interesting.

the interview plays a part tho-> social homogamy?

 

[RogueUnicorn]

^interesting.

the interview plays a part tho-> social homogamy?

i learned a new word.

 

[Compass]

Stop judging me.

 

[tennisball80]

AMCAS-American Medical College Application Service states that "Asian Americans who wish to apply medical colleges in the U.S. must have a semester of dating experience with a white girl. While it is not a requirement, sexual activities are highly recommended.." (Page 78, AMCAS 2010 Instruction Book)

 

[schrizto]

AMCAS-American Medical College Application Service states that "Asian Americans who wish to apply medical colleges in the U.S. must have a semester of dating experience with a white girl. While it is not a requirement, sexual activities are highly recommended.." (Page 78, AMCAS 2010 Instruction Book)

So even straight asian females have to have sexual experiences with a white girl?

 

[Contrarian]

So even straight asian females have to have sexual experiences with a white girl?

yes, especially.

 

[bannie22]

i learned a new word.

glad to have been of assistance.
one of the few things i learnt from an entire semester of family studies in grade 12. 🙄

 

[RogueUnicorn]

glad to have been of assistance.
one of the few things i learnt from an entire semester of family studies in grade 12. 🙄

very nice.

 

[nuneyah]

When I look out at all the current Emory Med students when they're having their huge social "get togethers," 95% of them are white.

When I look out at all the prospective students, there for their interviews, taking their campus tour, 95% of them are Asian.

 

[JJMrK]

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgparaceeth08.htm

Average MCAT score for asian matriculants is 32.2, average for all races is 30.9.

 

[randombetch]

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/mcatgparaceeth08.htm

Average MCAT score for asian matriculants is 32.2, average for all races is 30.9.

You should note that the average MCAT score for Asian applicants is 29.1, average for all races is 28.1. About the same difference when it comes to matriculants, meaning adcoms just mentally subtracted a point when it came to admissions time.

 

[JJMrK]

You should note that the average MCAT score for Asian applicants is 29.1, average for all races is 28.1. About the same difference when it comes to matriculants, meaning adcoms just mentally subtracted a point when it came to admissions time.

How do you figure?

 

[randombetch]

How do you figure?

Well, adcoms as a whole didn't care that Asians had a point higher on average, so that must mean they just subconsciously (or consciously) subtracted a point from Asians as a whole.

 

[JJMrK]

Well, adcoms as a whole didn't care that Asians had a point higher on average, so that must mean they just subconsciously (or consciously) subtracted a point from Asians as a whole.

That's one way to look at it. Personally, I think there are probably too many other factors to make that generalization.

 

[Narmerguy]

The gross lack of statistical understanding on this board is unbelievable.

"Asians have average MCAT 1 higher than other races, therefore, Asians have to work harder for their admission"

What? This is entirely likely if the % of Asians accepted is higher than the % of other races accepted (not that Asians constitute a greater % of the matriculating class than any other race).

Even if the % of Asians accepted is approximately equal to the % of other races accepted, this does not take into account the other factors of the application. Is an Asian student more likely to pursue a high MCAT at the exclusion of other activities that may boost their application? Are Asian students less likely to have volunteer experience? Are Asian students less likely to have good interview skills? Are Asian students less likely to apply broadly? To brush their teeth, take a bath, smile, etc.

I don't care if any of this is even remotely true, the point is that these and similar points must be considered. As often as it is preached on SDN, you would think that people would internalize that applicants are more than an MCAT score.

 

[Infinitydrop]

It;s more likely that none of the above matters b/c ultimately, Asians are competing not with whites, and URMS, for the admission spots, but with each other. In this pool, your MCAT scores simply needs to be 1-2 points higher in order to be competitive. Thats all.
No one is making any assumptions about working harder, having interview skills, etc.

 

[randombetch]

The gross lack of statistical understanding on this board is unbelievable

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Even if the % of Asians accepted is approximately equal to the % of other races accepted, this does not take into account the other factors of the application. Is an Asian student more likely to pursue a high MCAT at the exclusion of other activities that may boost their application? Are Asian students less likely to have volunteer experience? Are Asian students less likely to have good interview skills? Are Asian students less likely to apply broadly? To brush their teeth, take a bath, smile, etc.

I don't care if any of this is even remotely true, the point is that these and similar points must be considered. As often as it is preached on SDN, you would think that people would internalize that applicants are more than an MCAT score.

Don't you think it's a bit racist to say that Asians have a systematic flaw that balances their +1 MCAT? Asians are less likely to bruth their teeth, take a bath, and smile?

As for volutneer experiences, interview skills, etc., we all assumed that they were approximately equal with the other races with such a large sample size. Whether or not you think this assumption really applies depends on your view on Asians, not your statistical understanding.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Don't you think it's a bit racist to say that Asians have a systematic flaw that balances their +1 MCAT? Asians are less likely to bruth their teeth, take a bath, and smile?

As for volutneer experiences, interview skills, etc., we all assumed that they were approximately equal with the other races with such a large sample size. Whether or not you think this assumption really applies depends on your view on Asians, not your statistical understanding.

can't assume that.

 

[vickpick]

in short, if u're an Asian, you're competing against other asians as opposed to the entire applicant pool.. thus u have a tougher competition..

 

[bannie22]

^ htat doesnt even make sense. why must asians compete only with asians?

 

[riceman04]

AMCAS-American Medical College Application Service states that "Asian Americans who wish to apply medical colleges in the U.S. must have a semester of dating experience with a white girl. While it is not a requirement, sexual activities are highly recommended.." (Page 78, AMCAS 2010 Instruction Book)

ohhhhhhhh gawd...

...why does it have to be with a white girl? Think about it for a minute! We could get into a discussion on perceived requirements for cultural assimilation, but that probably would not be productive.

If anything, I wonder if you typing that only highlights one of your preferences

 

[Narmerguy]

Don't you think it's a bit racist to say that Asians have a systematic flaw that balances their +1 MCAT? Asians are less likely to bruth their teeth, take a bath, and smile?

As for volutneer experiences, interview skills, etc., we all assumed that they were approximately equal with the other races with such a large sample size. Whether or not you think this assumption really applies depends on your view on Asians, not your statistical understanding.

Obviously didn't understand that the bit on teeth and bathing was a joke. My purpose was merely to illustrate that there are differences.

Clearly we cannot assume that everything is approximately equal else we'd assume the same for GPA and MCAT which isn't true. Why should we assume equality only in those which cannot be quantitatively measured? Furthermore, you selected only a piece of my argument. You ignored that it is entirely possible that more Asians are accepted than other races, which I believe is true. Therefore, I would expect higheer stats to acccount for this higher success.

 

[Handy388]

AMCAS-American Medical College Application Service states that "Asian Americans who wish to apply medical colleges in the U.S. must have a semester of dating experience with a white girl. While it is not a requirement, sexual activities are highly recommended.." (Page 78, AMCAS 2010 Instruction Book)

don't like your own fellow Asian women?

 

[strummin]

don't like your own fellow Asian women?

I have yet to meet a single guy who doesn't like Asian women.

 

[Handy388]

I have yet to meet a single guy who doesn't like Asian women.

appearently our superstar tennisball80 here doesn't think so.

 

[CoolWhipp]

This thread is the definition of fail.

 

[bannie22]

^
don hate because we like women =)

 

[OpalOnyx]

This thread is the definition of fail.

CoolWhipp, I like you and I'ma let you finish but <not-this-thread> was the most failed thread of ALL TIME!!! ALL TIME!!!

 

[FlowRate]

This thread is the definition of fail.

You've called all of my favorite threads "fail."



It's highly likely that Asians are above-average in their "gunner-ness." As everyone knows, medical schools don't actually want gunners. Take that as you will.

 

[bannie22]

^
bang bang

 

[Infinitydrop]

Obviously didn't understand that the bit on teeth and bathing was a joke. My purpose was merely to illustrate that there are differences.

Clearly we cannot assume that everything is approximately equal else we'd assume the same for GPA and MCAT which isn't true. Why should we assume equality only in those which cannot be quantitatively measured? Furthermore, you selected only a piece of my argument. You ignored that it is entirely possible that more Asians are accepted than other races, which I believe is true. Therefore, I would expect higheer stats to acccount for this higher success.

But thats the whole point, they are not. 40% of all asian applicants get into medical school, if anything, its actually slightly lower than national average.

 

[Narmerguy]

But thats the whole point, they are not. 40% of all asian applicants get into medical school, if anything, its actually slightly lower than national average.

You don't compare it to the national average, you compare it against the average of each respective race. Even still that's a hard measure because there's the boost that some groups get that may inflate the average. Irregardless, there's not enough evidence to suggest that Asians are being marginalized against or that they have to compensate for some unknown mystery factor

 

[Narmerguy]

CoolWhipp, I like you and I'ma let you finish but <not-this-thread> was the most failed thread of ALL TIME!!! ALL TIME!!!

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