At what point would you choose not to become a physican?

[7331poas]

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So your thought process is limited to this is bigger than that
It has no room for patient load, hours worked, characteristics of patient population, onerous governmental quality measures, medicolegal pressures, cost of living, educational debt, etc.

All these things are true but at the end of the day doctors want to make money. If they chose to do so they (correct me if I am wrong, which I could be) could work less hours and take on less patient load. Of course I dont know if doctors are actually forced to work these hours or if they choose to do so in response to american debt or otherwise.

Attending physicians from other countries would not have education debt. Cost of living may or may not be high based on what country the attending came from and what city he has located to, in the USA.

Patient population would be different, but one as to think that it doesnt take 4 years of residency just to understand the patient population. Like I said, we could fast-track people who have completed residency in select countries. One has to think it shouldnt take 4-5 years to learn all the parts of residency that dont have to do with surgery (for instance) and the direct care of a patient.

 

[Mansamusa]

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[Mansamusa]

All these things are true but at the end of the day doctors want to make money. If they chose to do so they (correct me if I am wrong, which I could be) could work less hours and take on less patient load. Of course I dont know if doctors are actually forced to work these hours or if they choose to do so in response to american debt or otherwise.

Attending physicians from other countries would not have education debt. Cost of living may or may not be high based on what country the attending came from and what city he has located to, in the USA.

Patient population would be different, but one as to think that it doesnt take 4 years of residency just to understand the patient population. Like I said, we could fast-track people who have completed residency in select countries. One has to think it shouldnt take 4-5 years to learn all the parts of residency that dont have to do with surgery (for instance) and the direct care of a patient.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dless-deaths-smeared-sex-attacker-bosses.html

"Life, as he says, was good. With his £70,000 salary there were ski holidays, romantic breaks, meals at restaurants, a Mercedes with personalised number-plates, a £600,000 house in Solihull and savings in the bank. Today, he doesn’t have two brass farthings to rub together and is mortgaged to the hilt."

A 70,000 salary would get you none of those things in the US. Money goes different lengths in different countries. He felt comfortable buying a house that is worth $864,000 as a UK cardiologist. You keep talking about an imagined reality without actually researching what it's like in other countries.

 

[7331poas]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-
3443311/Branded-rapist-daring-NHS-whistleblower-brave-surgeon-sacked-exposing-needless-deaths-smeared-sex-attacker-bosses.html

"Life, as he says, was good. With his £70,000 salary there were ski holidays, romantic breaks, meals at restaurants, a Mercedes with personalised number-plates, a £600,000 house in Solihull and savings in the bank. Today, he doesn’t have two brass farthings to rub together and is mortgaged to the hilt."

A 70,000 salary would get you none of those things in the US. Money goes different lengths in different countries. He felt comfortable buying a house that is worth $864,000 as a UK cardiologist. You keep talking about an imagined reality without actually researching what it's like in other countries.

I strongly dislike anecdotes. I chose charlotte because that just so happens to be my hometown and its a fairly large city.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=United+Kingdom&city1=Charlotte,+NC&city2=London

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=United+Kingdom&city1=Atlanta,+GA&city2=London

There is Atlanta which is comparable in size.

It seems to me like the relative costs wouldnt make a 300k US cardiologist salary equal to a 70k UK salary. Especially if the US doctor doesnt live in NYC or SF I suppose. Even if you did adjust for "benefits".

And you keep complaining about how it is not fair that foreign doctors can't just up and work here, but you have yet to give a reason why we should make it easy.

There is self evident benefits for allowing competition in the labor market. In the current case, preventing other attendings from competing strongly protect the salaries and employment rates of US physicians.

 

[Mansamusa]

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[ridethecliche]

It is also 13% more than the median household income in the United States. While the opportunity cost is a real factor, it seems a little out of touch with reality/the rest of the country to say "😵 $60,000 a year is like nothing."

It doesn't seem out of touch at all given the average education level of most of the people that make that much. Sure, there are exceptions and forces of supply and demand where some highly educated folks make about that much, but your statement is really really really devoid of all context, i.e. education, geographic location, yada yada yada.

I don't have a ton of debt right now, but I certainly wouldn't want to spend the next 10 years of my life in school/training if the end result was 60k...