Attrition Rate at AUC vs. Ross

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I am considering both Ross and AUC, and have a question comparing both programs. One of my relatives went to Ross, and told me something very discouraging about the way that grades are assigned there. Apparently, the statistical method that they use to determine the minimum passing score (MPS) each semester makes an assumption right of the bat that approximately 25-30% of each semester class is going to fall below the MPS. This results in approximately 1/4 of each semester class having to repeat, or fail out if they have already repeated once before. Since the MPS can fall anywhere within a range of final scores, you basically have a 1 in 4 chance of not surviving through any given semester.

So basically, its a meat grinder. Survival of the fittest. How exactly it makes sense to have a method for determining passing that a priori assumes that 25% of the class is going to fail is beyond me, but that's a topic for another day and another thread.

Does anybody know how the analogous system at AUC works? Is it just as cutthroat? And please, I'm looking specifically for answers from people who are either current students or alumni, or at the very least can ask someone they personally know from AUC to answer the question. I'm not interested in the opinions of people who simply read something on the internet about AUC.
 
I am considering both Ross and AUC, and have a question comparing both programs. One of my relatives went to Ross, and told me something very discouraging about the way that grades are assigned there. Apparently, the statistical method that they use to determine the minimum passing score (MPS) each semester makes an assumption right of the bat that approximately 25-30% of each semester class is going to fall below the MPS. This results in approximately 1/4 of each semester class having to repeat, or fail out if they have already repeated once before. Since the MPS can fall anywhere within a range of final scores, you basically have a 1 in 4 chance of not surviving through any given semester.

So basically, its a meat grinder. Survival of the fittest. How exactly it makes sense to have a method for determining passing that a priori assumes that 25% of the class is going to fail is beyond me, but that's a topic for another day and another thread.

Does anybody know how the analogous system at AUC works? Is it just as cutthroat? And please, I'm looking specifically for answers from people who are either current students or alumni, or at the very least can ask someone they personally know from AUC to answer the question. I'm not interested in the opinions of people who simply read something on the internet about AUC.

I know the Ross system sounds bad but its actually not as bad as it sounds.

My medical school also fails about 10% of the class in an exam and its curved that way. The students who fail have to resit and I believe if they fail again they redo the year. If they fail again well I believe they are kicked out.

Have you asked what happens if you fail. Are you automatically kicked out or is there a resit policy? I wouldn't walk into uni with the feeling you will be in the bottom 25%. Usually the bottom 25% are the ones who party too much, as long as you work your butt off you'll be in the top 75% for sure.
 
I can't speak to AUC's system, but...

How exactly it makes sense to have a method for determining passing that a priori assumes that 25% of the class is going to fail is beyond me, but that's a topic for another day and another thread.

When I was at Ross, sometimes the class average on a particular test was 55%. Now, think about that for a second: 55%.

That connotes a few different possible scenarios. First, the material is too hard and there's not enough time to learn it. Alternatively, something is wrong with the test. As well, it could simply be that everyone in that class is stupid, lazy, etc. and just not learning the material.

The point is, the MPS is usually calculated to that what-would-otherwise-be-a-failing score in any other system. And, if I recall correctly, you can't get a passing score and still "fail" the course - that is, if everyone scores above 70%, you won't fail. (That scenario just doesn't often happen, though.) This methodology just levels the playing field and makes it more fair for everyone.

It seems unfair - and, yes, there is a very high attrition rate at Ross - but, they've been doing it this way for decades. They have a good accountability of what it takes to get you past the Steps. And, this method works.

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