attrition rate? increase in class size? Fellowship? What?

[Pony46]

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http://www.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Documents/cib2010/2010-CIB-complete.pdf

On page 13.

Why do some schools have such a large difference between the # of incoming students vs. the number of graduating students?

I have trouble believing this has to do with attrition rates...largely due to the idea that once your accepted they want to keep you in their school, as they have so much invested in you...

? any light as to why there is this discrepancy?

Do that many really fail out?

 

[engineeredout]

http://www.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Documents/cib2010/2010-CIB-complete.pdf

On page 13.

Why do some schools have such a large difference between the # of incoming students vs. the number of graduating students?

I have trouble believing this has to do with attrition rates...largely due to the idea that once your accepted they want to keep you in their school as they have so much invested in you...

? any light as to why there is this decrepency?

Do that many really fail out?

Increasing class sizes?

 

[TexasPhysician]

For instance, take LECOM
They increased their incoming class by 37 students from 2006-2007. Obviously their difference is due to increasing class size.

Some schools can have a "drop-out" of 10%. That isn't common, but possible. Usually they don't drop-out of med school completely, but merely drop out of their class (held back due to grades, MPH, MBA, phd, year off, etc.). More than 10% and I would strongly consider them to be just increasing class size.

 

[JonnyG]

the data also tends to be wrong, big surprise it says pcom graduate 234 students in 2008 while pcoms website staes 254 were graduated from a class that started with rougly 260. if they really mean the class of 2007 that class was a smaller class. PCOM's class size has actually gotten slightly smaller since they are now under 270 people also tend to get their degree over 5 or 6 years because of various reasons and joint degrees.

 

[JanikeyDoc]

I was under the impression that attrition at DO schools is extremely low, as in less than 1 percent. Am I wrong on this?

 

[TexasTriathlete]

There isn't much attrition at any US medical school.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

I was under the impression that attrition at DO schools is extremely low, as in less than 1 percent. Am I wrong on this?

Any US med school keeps it less than 5%, usually. This includes death, failing, being held back a year, leaves of absence, hospitalization, dual degree programs, research, etc.

 

[Gold 5]

I was under the impression that attrition at DO schools is extremely low, as in less than 1 percent. Am I wrong on this?

Hi,
I can only speak for my school Touro in NY. For the class of 2012 we have had a few people leave mostly due to family reasons or living in the big city just did not work for them. So far no one has been kicked out for academic reasons. Of the class of 2011, I believe one dropped due to academics (they did not want to repeat anatomy over again therefore left).
For my school and I believe in most schools, they understand it is tough and will make multiple attempts to get you to pass a class. But as stated above it is a real pressure cooker environment that can break you if you let it. So wherever you may go, keep in mind family support is crucial!

 

[TexasPhysician]

In my MD class of 140:
1 quit mid-first block of first year
I can think of 4 that have been held back a year.
1 got cancer and quit
1 had a wife get cancer and delayed a year
2 are adding phd's
3 are doing research at Top 10 research programs for 1 year

 

[JanikeyDoc]

Any US med school keeps it less than 5%, usually. This includes death, failing, being held back a year, leaves of absence, hospitalization, dual degree programs, research, etc.

I actually saw something on AACOM's site that says attrition is slightly less than 1 percent. So I guess if you are better than 99 out of a 100 its not too hard to survive.

 

[Cp22kjer]

In my MD class of 140:
1 quit mid-first block of first year
I can think of 4 that have been held back a year.
1 got cancer and quit
1 had a wife get cancer and delayed a year
2 are adding phd's
3 are doing research at Top 10 research programs for 1 year

Perfect real life example.

Are the 3 doing research MD/PhD? Just curious.

 

[swamprat]

In my MD class of 140:
1 quit mid-first block of first year
I can think of 4 that have been held back a year.
1 got cancer and quit
1 had a wife get cancer and delayed a year
2 are adding phd's
3 are doing research at Top 10 research programs for 1 year

Too much cancer wow 👎

 

[Chocolate Bear]

Too much cancer wow 👎

Welcome to the world. Cancer blows and affects nearly all of us sometime. 👎thumbdown

 

[TexasPhysician]

Perfect real life example.

Are the 3 doing research MD/PhD? Just curious.

No
1 wants to do neurosurgery at a Top program so he did research there in their program
1 is considering a md/phd because he likes research so much
1 - don't know her well enough. No phd though.