Atypical pets

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Totally random, but I've been going down YouTube and online rabbit holes watching videos of people with what I would consider atypical pets. Aside from the people with bobcats, and tigers, and bears, and stuff, I've been seeing stuff like raccoons, and otters, and they look like so much fun.

I know atypical is subjective, as some would think snakes and spiders are atypical as well. But I'm thinking more in terms of warm blooded fluffy things that you can meaningfully interact with.

What all have you seen?
 
Totally random, but I've been going down YouTube and online rabbit holes watching videos of people with what I would consider atypical pets. Aside from the people with bobcats, and tigers, and bears, and stuff, I've been seeing stuff like raccoons, and otters, and they look like so much fun.

I know atypical is subjective, as some would think snakes and spiders are atypical as well. But I'm thinking more in terms of warm blooded fluffy things that you can meaningfully interact with.

What all have you seen?
Not a vet, but previously involved in zoo research and have worked with otters. They are sooo stinking cute. Trust me. You don't want them as a pet.
 
In private practice, off of the top of my head I’ve seen emus, ostriches (both younger ones), flamingoes, various small exotic cats, water monitors, a capybara, etc. got many calls from owners begging us to see their dying primates, bigger cats, fully grown ratites, etc but there are limits most clinics have in place for safety reasons. I worked ER in Florida where it’s far too easy to get nearly any exotic animal you could want.

Now I’m full time zoo and see all of these and more lol.
 
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Why's that? I saw them swimming with a guy in their backyard pool and just playing with all the pool toys.

Also, baby goats!
Again, I'll defer to my much more learned colleagues but they are hyperactive, prone to destroying everything in sight, they smell bad (their diet is mostly fish, after all), their marking territory behaviors are rough, to put it mildly, and they are sooooo loud.

Edit: I remember the zookeepers we worked with on the project taught us about the sounds and how to recognize when the otters were telling us "get out" of their space. Those "cute sounds" in those types of videos could be signs of distress. Leave them to the places where they belong; where they have tons of space and ability to just be otters.
 
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Why's that?
Exotic/zoo species are really demanding creatures. The internet makes it seem like a pool, toy box, whatever is all they need but in reality the vast majority of privately owned zoo species are getting deficient care. Usually diet and behavioral management are sorely lacking. Those videos don’t show that otter’s crappy diet, the fact that the owners house is probably trashed, the fact that they might be driving three states away to see the one vet willing/able to provide medical care (edit: if the animal is getting any medical care at all…).

The average person can’t even meet the needs of a pet bird, and there are joe schmoes out there that have chimps, tigers, etc living in their basements. These animals are not domesticated, they haven’t been bred over hundreds or thousands of years to be content to live in a house like a dog has. Hell, there are some species that don’t even do well in zoos, where it’s our job to meet their needs 24/7. I think some owners, especially the ones that have money to burn, can construct suitable habitats and get their animal a good diet and veterinary care. 99.9% cannot. As such, you end up with morbidly obese inbred tigers living in chain link enclosures the size of a small bedroom, chimps that kill people, ratites with bendy bones because the owner didn’t know that they can’t live off of chicken feed, etc. it’s a really sad reality for these animals and internet videos have made the problem so much worse.
 
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Why's that?
Otters, like a lot of wild animals, can be dangerous. We had a river otter at the Audubon education center I volunteered at and there were only two people on that property trained to handle it. They have an impressive bite force for their size, sharp teeth, and are typically territorial. While uncommon, they can also carry and transmit rabies.

We were walking early in the morning on Rialto beach while on vacation and startled a sea otter. It was incredibly to see one, and thankfully this guy was just interested in getting his breakfast and getting away from us, but it was one of my few wildlife "oh ****" moments. Definitely slowly took some steps back to give him space. They can get bigger than you think they can, too.
 
Otters, like a lot of wild animals, can be dangerous. We had a river otter at the Audubon education center I volunteered at and there were only two people on that property trained to handle it. They have an impressive bite force for their size, sharp teeth, and are typically territorial. While uncommon, they can also carry and transmit rabies.

We were walking early in the morning on Rialto beach while on vacation and startled a sea otter. It was incredibly to see one, and thankfully this guy was just interested in getting his breakfast and getting away from us, but it was one of my few wildlife "oh ****" moments. Definitely slowly took some steps back to give him space. They can get bigger than you think they can, too.
But check this little bugger out!

 
But check this little bugger out!


It's a baby. Of course it's cute. But when that "little bugger" reaches over three feet long, hits sexual maturity, and is isolated despite being a social animal, it will be significantly less cute more destructive, and more dangerous.

Sorry, this isn't going to be well received here because a layperson has zero business owning an animal like that (and a google search of him suggests he doesn't treat his animals great in general....).
 
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I think the rarest I’ve seen was a kinkajou. Those people never got to go on vacation because no one could watch their pet.
there was one at my zoo internship (zookeeping/husbandry, not veterinary) and i truly cannot imagine them being pets. only one zookeeper could come close to interacting with him, and that was after months of very careful conditioning and positive reinforcement. i am sure, with time, he has gotten a bit better with others, but that is with a literal team of behavioral professionals. definitely not a pet.
 
What about racoons? They look like fun.

Also, anyone know the biggest/most non-domesticated looking cat that is still domesticated? I like bengals, savannah, and maine coon. I think they're all fully domesticated. Of course would be cool to have a bobcat or something, but rather not have to worry about a neighbors kid going missing.
 
What about racoons? They look like fun.

Absolute messes and primary rabies vectors. Huge pain in the ass from a management perspective. They bite anyone, euthanasia and head to the nearest lab.

I think they're all fully domesticated.

I honestly argue that cats as a whole, regardless of breed, aren't truly domesticated yet. Or by far the least domesticated species of our domestic species.

Maine coons are fine as far as behavior. They honestly just look like a DLH, just massive. Bengals and Savannahs are terrible creatures and most of the people who own them should not. They're the malinois of cats. The only time I don't need to sedate them to handle are when they're actively dying of their heart failure.
 
Absolute messes and primary rabies vectors. Huge pain in the ass from a management perspective. They bite anyone, euthanasia and head to the nearest lab.



I honestly argue that cats as a whole, regardless of breed, aren't truly domesticated yet. Or by far the least domesticated species of our domestic species.

Maine coons are fine as far as behavior. They honestly just look like a DLH, just massive. Bengals and Savannahs are terrible creatures and most of the people who own them should not. They're the malinois of cats. The only time I don't need to sedate them to handle are when they're actively dying of their heart failure.
You're making me sad. All the cool YouTube videos of all these animals seems like they're pretty cool friendly pets. And Bengals seem smart.

I always wanted a ferret as a kid. What about goats? Saw a video of someone with baby goats, maybe dwarf goats? But they looked so cut hopping around everywhere.

I have no intention of getting a pet anything any time soon, but toss me some ideas of fun atypical creatures that are good pets so I can watch YouTube videos and be happy.
 
All the cool YouTube videos of all these animals seems like they're pretty cool friendly pets.

I mean, social media is fake. So that's the first problem. You're not seeing the legal beagle stuff like the paperwork so people can own these things. Then there's finding veterinary care for them seeing as how 80% of vets won't or legally can't see most of these species. Then there's the management aspect like enrichment, nutrition, social interaction, etc.

And Bengals seem smart.

That's the problem. 90% of Bengals are smarter than 90% of their owners. And heart disease.

I always wanted a ferret as a kid.

Not too shabby. Theyve got an attitude, but manageable

What about goats?

Can't housebreak them. And the whole ruminant thing and finding a vet to see them.

fun atypical creatures that are good pets so I can watch YouTube videos and be happy.

I mean, you can watch whatever brings you joy. Just realized that none of the videos are showing you the actual day to day intensive care these animals need. Hell, I'd argue that the majority of dogs and cats in our homes don't get the truly ideal care they could be getting.
 
From the pathologist's perspective who did her residency in Texas where the laws regarding privately owning exotics are extremely lax.......

I saw so many exotic/atypical animals come through necropsy due to sickness, malnutrition, poor husbandry, behavioral issues requiring euthanasia, congenital issues, you name it because either 1) the owners were ignorant, 2) the owners were both ignorant and unwilling to learn, and just wanted a cool animal, 2) the owners were ignorant but willing to learn, but could not afford the time and money necessary for unique species, or 3) the owners were knowledgeable but there was no available veterinary care for that unique species....it was frequent. I've necropsied everything armadillos, prairie dogs, otters, all manner of exotic hoofstock, binturongs, a wallaby, big cats and hybrids, raccoons, possums, new world monkeys, monitor lizards, you name it.

It made me vehemently opposed to the general public owning anything more "atypical" than reptiles (and maybe some small animals like chinchillas, ferrets, and sugar gliders) - and even then, the number of reptiles that came through with metabolic bone disease, preventable respiratory disease, scale rot, etc was immense. People see cute or interesting videos (not picking on you specifically OP, it's just that I have seen this song and dance too many times) and think "how hard could it be". It's hard. We don't even know enough about these truly atypical species to adapt them to a home environment half the time in terms of their behavior needs, nutritional requirements, susceptibility to infectious diseases etc. Zoos do their best in the name of conservation with animals that cannot be rereleased into the wild, but even they struggle - and they have far more resources than the average owners.

I say this as someone who owns a ball python, and even though they are arguably the most popular pet snake other than corn snakes and one of the "easy" atypical species, it costs a LOT to take care of them and give them a good quality of life they deserve. I just dropped 2k and a lot of hands-on work on an updated bioactive enclosure with all the required heating, lighting, and enrichment for a snake that cost $60 when I got him 14 years ago.
 
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I mean, you can watch whatever brings you joy. Just realized that none of the videos are showing you the actual day to day intensive care these animals need. Hell, I'd argue that the majority of dogs and cats in our homes don't get the truly ideal care they could be getting.

Also coming from the pathologist's perspective on what I've seen come through the necropsy floor over the past 15+ years, I agree with you here as well.

Part of our job as vets it to inject some reality about animal ownership into people. My partner jokes that I ruin every breed of dog for him because as soon as he says he loves XYZ breed, I tell him about all the genetic diseases or health conditions they may be prone to. Yeah I'm a bit of a spoilsport, but it's part of the profession to educate people about how hard it can be to being a whole living being into your household and give them proper care. Even the "typical" ones. Pets aren't just possessions here for our amusement and to provide us with companionship. They are independent living beings with individualized needs, be they social, environmental, nutritional, healthcare-related, etc. And the more atypical the animal, the more complex these needs are - often far beyond what the average owner is able to provide.
 
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My partner jokes that I ruin every breed of dog for him because as soon as he says he loves XYZ breed, I tell him about all the genetic diseases or health conditions they may be prone to.

I see a Frenchie or English Bulldog and I just say, "Job security." Already have had multiple with heatstroke roll through my hospital.

There's a cat hospitalized right now for its **third** foreign body in **6 months**.

Fat large breed dogs struggling with arthritis at 8-10 years old. Meanwhile my pittie is considered "too thin" by my grandpa because shes a 4/9. But she won't die because of her arthritis at 10 🤷🏼‍♀️

Literally could go on with this soapbox.
 
I see a Frenchie or English Bulldog and I just say, "Job security." Already have had multiple with heatstroke roll through my hospital.

There's a cat hospitalized right now for its **third** foreign body in **6 months**.

Fat large breed dogs struggling with arthritis at 8-10 years old. Meanwhile my pittie is considered "too thin" by my grandpa because shes a 4/9. But she won't die because of her arthritis at 10 🤷🏼‍♀️

Literally could go on with this soapbox.

I saw a Lab at its proper weight a few weeks ago.

A. Lab. At. Its. Proper. Weight

I almost broke my neck staring as I walked past. 😆
 
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You're making me sad. All the cool YouTube videos of all these animals seems like they're pretty cool friendly pets. And Bengals seem smart.

I always wanted a ferret as a kid. What about goats? Saw a video of someone with baby goats, maybe dwarf goats? But they looked so cut hopping around everywhere.

I have no intention of getting a pet anything any time soon, but toss me some ideas of fun atypical creatures that are good pets so I can watch YouTube videos and be happy.
At the end of the day, it’s going to come down to how much time you want to dedicate to this animal and how much money you’re willing to burn.

Ferrets need a decent set up ($300-500+ for the proper size cage) and absolutely need a nearby exotics vet. They WILL get sick (incurable adrenal disease is a textbook ferret problem, as are insulinomas). They shouldn’t spend 24/7 in their cages though, and need supervised roaming time. During which they can be destructive and dirty. They also stink enough to make your *whole* house smell, despite the fact that all pet store ferrets have been ‘descented.’ They still stink. You can walk into a pet store and know instantly if they sell ferrets. Like, their descented odor is strong enough that it’s one of the top reasons people ‘get rid of’ a ferret after they buy it.

Goats need significant space, buddies (so multiple goats), specific veterinary care and hoof care. They are outdoor animals so you’d need to provide them with proper shelter. They may not be legal depending on your town laws/codes/whatever. They also have a host of issues that they will get without proper care that the average vet down the street can’t help with. You’d need a nearby small ruminant vet which are hard to come across.

Raccoons are also destructive and equivalent to having a toddler in the house but with sharper teeth and zoonotic diseases. I’ve yet to meet a vet that will see a pet raccoon, as a result they often go without medical care. Most of the videos you see of them online are posted by people that kidnapped their raccoon as a baby btw.

I mean you really are just looking at videos and saying ‘wow, that looks fun!’ Without actually looking into what it looks like to give these animals proper care. That’s the exact issue we’re talking about here. People see a video, rush out to get that animal, and that animal is ultimately doomed.

Truly, if you want a pet, go to a shelter and get a cat or dog. At the end of the day, you’re going to do whatever you want, but you need to take a minute and seriously think about what you’ve been saying here. These animals are living creatures, not meant to be casually owned. Especially by someone who seems to be an extremely novice animal owner (because otherwise you’d never consider goat ownership for example, even jokingly).

Some context: I’m a vet, so animals are my job. I have resources, friends, and myself to provide medical care. I have a dog, 5 cats, a rabbit, and a box turtle (so a turtle, but it doesn’t need a tank of water). My rabbit is by far the most demanding animal I own. He requires a safe space, is destructive, is the most expensive to feed, and requires me to be vigilant for life threatening gut issues (they can die within a day if early symptoms are missed). I’ve been lucky that his teeth have never needed intervention in the 12 years I’ve had him, but I also provide him with what he needs for dental health. I can vet him for the most part, but otherwise the closest vet I’d trust is 45min away. Driving a sick rabbit 45min, even if he isn’t severe yet, could kill him. So yeah, he’s really cute, but he has NEEDS. When is the last time you saw an animal video talking about demanding and expensive the cute fluffy *insert animal here* is? You haven’t because that doesn’t get people their views and clicks.

I could also tell you horror stories….there was a local chain of pet stores in Tampa that was notorious for selling owners all type of exotics with no basic info, or flat out incorrect info. I saw some really effed up cases as an emergency vet at the only ER that saw exotics (within like a 2-3 hour radius, mind you) as a result.
 
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I could also tell you horror stories….there was a local chain of pet stores in Tampa that was notorious for selling owners all type of exotics with no basic info, or flat out incorrect info. I saw some really effed up cases as an emergency vet at the only ER that saw exotics (within like a 2-3 hour radius, mind you) as a result.
ultra common Tampa moment
 
Yeah, I hear what you guys are saying. I guess I just want something playful and friendly. Seeing my luck with stray cats that I make friends with, I'll probably just end up getting a shelter cat at some point in the future when I have the time to take care of it. Or maybe one day I'll be able to buy me a large plot of land and have some pet livestock.

Also, this thread reminded me of a picture I saw years ago of how animals have changed due to breeding. Here's the video version of what I saw (which I'm sure y'all are aware of).

 
Yeah, I hear what you guys are saying. I guess I just want something playful and friendly. Seeing my luck with stray cats that I make friends with, I'll probably just end up getting a shelter cat at some point in the future when I have the time to take care of it. Or maybe one day I'll be able to buy me a large plot of land and have some pet livestock.

Also, this thread reminded me of a picture I saw years ago of how animals have changed due to breeding. Here's the video version of what I saw (which I'm sure y'all are aware of).


we are, in fact, acutely aware