Auburn vs. VMRCVM vs. St. George University

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I've been waitlisted for Auburn, taking my interview with Virginia in March, and accepted to SGU in the carribean.
I've heard some pretty awesome things about St. George, but considering things go well with those US schools, I was wondering if people could post their opinions about each school to help me make the best choice. Let me know what you like about the school, the curriculum, hands on experience, location, the people, the price, and anything else you would like to comment!
 
I've been waitlisted for Auburn, taking my interview with Virginia in March, and accepted to SGU in the carribean.
I've heard some pretty awesome things about St. George, but considering things go well with those US schools, I was wondering if people could post their opinions about each school to help me make the best choice. Let me know what you like about the school, the curriculum, hands on experience, location, the people, the price, and anything else you would like to comment!

I'm IS at VMRCVM.
My take:
Very affordable for IS.
Brand new educational facilities will be ready by the end of the summer. The new infectious diseases research wing is already open as of this past fall. Strong emphasis on Public/Corporate vet med and connections to federal agencies by way of DC being 4.5 hrs away, if you're into this aspect of vet med.
Tracking - good or bad, depending on who you ask. I like it. Really enjoyed all the electives I've taken.
Blacksburg, VA is beautiful. Charming town close to lots of mountains and hiking trails. Cheap housing close to campus. The people are super friendly around here. There is a genuine college town vibe that I like.

However, we don't start surgery education until 3rd year. I've heard some schools get you in during your 2nd year. I wish I had more hands-on experience, but since my first year they've increased our "Intro to Clinics" sessions to 2x a semester throwing us into a different part of the hospital for 4 hrs at a time. Two weeks ago, I spent an afternoon in the Ophthalmology, which was cool. In two weeks, I'll be assigned to an afternoon with Large Animal Clinical Services. Some of my classmates even assisted in C-sections last week. So, I think it's getting better with the hands-on experience. The clubs tend to offer a lot of opportunities to do more hands-on stuff as well. As a member of the Pathology club, I go on-call for necropsy on the weekends and I've seen quite a few cases and helped out; it's a good way to study your anatomy, too.
 
I'm IS at VMRCVM.
My take:
Very affordable for IS.
Brand new educational facilities will be ready by the end of the summer. The new infectious diseases research wing is already open as of this past fall. Strong emphasis on Public/Corporate vet med and connections to federal agencies by way of DC being 4.5 hrs away, if you're into this aspect of vet med.
Tracking - good or bad, depending on who you ask. I like it. Really enjoyed all the electives I've taken.
Blacksburg, VA is beautiful. Charming town close to lots of mountains and hiking trails. Cheap housing close to campus. The people are super friendly around here. There is a genuine college town vibe that I like.

However, we don't start surgery education until 3rd year. I've heard some schools get you in during your 2nd year. I wish I had more hands-on experience, but since my first year they've increased our "Intro to Clinics" sessions to 2x a semester throwing us into a different part of the hospital for 4 hrs at a time. Two weeks ago, I spent an afternoon in the Ophthalmology, which was cool. In two weeks, I'll be assigned to an afternoon with Large Animal Clinical Services. Some of my classmates even assisted in C-sections last week. So, I think it's getting better with the hands-on experience. The clubs tend to offer a lot of opportunities to do more hands-on stuff as well. As a member of the Pathology club, I go on-call for necropsy on the weekends and I've seen quite a few cases and helped out; it's a good way to study your anatomy, too.

Thanks for your insight! I'm unfortunately an Out-of-State student so VMRCVM is going to be like $44,000+ for tuition, which is just a bit more expensive than Auburn's tuition since I'm OOS there too. Auburn is currently building their new small animal hospital which would be ready by my 2nd or 3rd year. As far as education goes, I feel like all three schools would provide exceptional educational environments.
More so, I'm wondering... why not Caribbean? Most people prefer to attend US schools, even out of state, over the Caribbean. From what I've been told, St. George University has a great program that offers plenty of hands-on experience throughout all your years there and your clinical year is spent at one of the US vet schools of your choice. I'm told the island is very friendly and you can't argue with location. Practically paradise.
 
Zpearl I'll do my best to give you my take on Auburn's CVM:
I'm OOS as well
OOS tuition is a bit pricey
As you've already seen, Auburn has some really nice new educational facilities. This is where you'll be spending your time versus the classrooms where I spend the first 1.5 years (thank God). The instructors here are very friendly and I feel as though they really care about the students. We do have a dress code which means dressing up to go sit down in class for about 8 hours a day (not sure if that's a deterrent). We do not track at all here at Auburn. We have started doing surgery in our 2nd year (as opposed to 3rd year like we used to do). We continue surgery on into the 1st semester of 3rd year. Also, words can't express exactly how awesome the new small animal hospital will be when it's finished. It will rival, or dare I say surpass, Florida's recently completed small animal hospital.
The city of Auburn is very nice, although it's on the small side. It's very nice and serene. There are many places to stay close to the school. We are about 1.5 hours away from Atlanta and about 45 mins away from Montgomery. Um, I think that's all for now. Please pm me if you have more specific questions. Best of luck to you.
 
. Let me know what you like about the school, the curriculum, hands on experience, location, the people, the price, and anything else you would like to comment!

I'm at SGU:

School: overall, the school environment here is wonderful. The professors and administration are very supportive and make a wide variety of resources available to students to help them succeed. The student atmosphere is like one big family. Because we're a bit more isolated here on the island, there definitely is a strong sense of we're all in this together and camaraderie. Everyone helps each other out. The upperclassmen generally make themselves available to help out and provide us with previous study guides and homemade exam review questions. oh, our facilities are nice and fairly new here and nice. 4 of the 6 semesters of class are spent in the vet building and the other 2 are in an older single lecture hall. the surgery suite is very new (and shiny!), the anatomy lab is a separate building (idk if it's nice or not compared to other schools, who knows what they put into labs! but we do have comfy chairs haha), and the small animal clinic is being constantly updated and improved upon. the large animal farm has also been receiving updates and fancy equipment.

curriculum: not too sure what you're looking for here, at the end of they day we all get the same degree/license. 🙂 we have 3 years of classroom and then 1 year of clinicals

hands on experience: we have intro to clinical orientation 1st term which teaches basics or handling and PE with 6 labs. 2nd term we have PD 1 which has 1 lecture and 1 lab a week covering all the topics of exam more in depth. i.e. one week of cardio/resp ascultation, a week in the sim lab, a neuro week, ophtho, ortho, etc. 3rd term you repeat the same thing for large animals. not sure if there's anything for 4th term. 5th term you take intro to clinical med which has morning rotations with the teaching hospital clinicians (you go for a week at a time in the morning and are split into groups with the clinicians as they see cases). 6th term gets into LA ambulatory med, shifts at the clinic, and farm stuff.

location: aside from the fact that you're really far away from friends and family, you pretty much can't beat the location (though I'll throw one in for Blacksburg being gorgeous! just cold haha). i love the weather (its nice to walk in during the 20 mins i spend outside each day). although the breaks for exams and studying are rare, the island is a beautiful place to explore (but you pretty much won't ever have time to go to the beach haha)

people: since i've already commented on the students above, i'll toss in that the islanders are very nice. it is a very nice culture to live in. things have a very laid back and relaxed feel to them, which i definitely find soothing when i'm not studying like mad.

price: the estimated COA for the year was $52k and i'm estimating spending about $42-45k. tuition is about $28k per year. for me, it was cheaper to come to SGU than to go OOS, so rather than reapplying to OOS schools next year, I opted just to come here and have a smaller debt burden.

*one thing i'll throw out there is that you have to match with a 4th year school. you fill out an application, LORs, GPA considered, that sort of thing. that being said, if you maintain a competitive GPA its not a big worry or if you dont want to go to some of the more sought after schools (penn, UGA for example) then it's not a big worry either. you also have to option to go abroad.
 
I'm at SGU:

School: overall, the school environment here is wonderful. The professors and administration are very supportive and make a wide variety of resources available to students to help them succeed. The student atmosphere is like one big family. Because we're a bit more isolated here on the island, there definitely is a strong sense of we're all in this together and camaraderie. Everyone helps each other out. The upperclassmen generally make themselves available to help out and provide us with previous study guides and homemade exam review questions. oh, our facilities are nice and fairly new here and nice. 4 of the 6 semesters of class are spent in the vet building and the other 2 are in an older single lecture hall. the surgery suite is very new (and shiny!), the anatomy lab is a separate building (idk if it's nice or not compared to other schools, who knows what they put into labs! but we do have comfy chairs haha), and the small animal clinic is being constantly updated and improved upon. the large animal farm has also been receiving updates and fancy equipment.

curriculum: not too sure what you're looking for here, at the end of they day we all get the same degree/license. 🙂 we have 3 years of classroom and then 1 year of clinicals

hands on experience: we have intro to clinical orientation 1st term which teaches basics or handling and PE with 6 labs. 2nd term we have PD 1 which has 1 lecture and 1 lab a week covering all the topics of exam more in depth. i.e. one week of cardio/resp ascultation, a week in the sim lab, a neuro week, ophtho, ortho, etc. 3rd term you repeat the same thing for large animals. not sure if there's anything for 4th term. 5th term you take intro to clinical med which has morning rotations with the teaching hospital clinicians (you go for a week at a time in the morning and are split into groups with the clinicians as they see cases). 6th term gets into LA ambulatory med, shifts at the clinic, and farm stuff.

location: aside from the fact that you're really far away from friends and family, you pretty much can't beat the location (though I'll throw one in for Blacksburg being gorgeous! just cold haha). i love the weather (its nice to walk in during the 20 mins i spend outside each day). although the breaks for exams and studying are rare, the island is a beautiful place to explore (but you pretty much won't ever have time to go to the beach haha)

people: since i've already commented on the students above, i'll toss in that the islanders are very nice. it is a very nice culture to live in. things have a very laid back and relaxed feel to them, which i definitely find soothing when i'm not studying like mad.

price: the estimated COA for the year was $52k and i'm estimating spending about $42-45k. tuition is about $28k per year. for me, it was cheaper to come to SGU than to go OOS, so rather than reapplying to OOS schools next year, I opted just to come here and have a smaller debt burden.

*one thing i'll throw out there is that you have to match with a 4th year school. you fill out an application, LORs, GPA considered, that sort of thing. that being said, if you maintain a competitive GPA its not a big worry or if you dont want to go to some of the more sought after schools (penn, UGA for example) then it's not a big worry either. you also have to option to go abroad.

WOW Thanks for all that. I'm starting to really lean towards SGU. Do you know if there is any difficulty with vets from SGU finding work in the states? I know their passing rate for entrance exams is pretty high so thats encouraging.
 
WOW Thanks for all that. I'm starting to really lean towards SGU. Do you know if there is any difficulty with vets from SGU finding work in the states? I know their passing rate for entrance exams is pretty high so thats encouraging.

nah as far as i know it's crappy anywhere you look 😉 but in all seriousness, i dont think it puts anything against you unless you're trying to hire with someone who is unreasonably biased towards wanting grads only from one school
 
UGA is a sought after school? I always hear about Penn and those, but never UGA. That makes me happy! hahahaha (sorry for interrupting the thread..)

.. though we do have a two people from Brazil on this rotation and a Swedish girl on another one.. so it is international I guess.. 😉
 
UGA has a good school but I wouldn't consider it "sought after" only because most out of state applicants are discouraged by the fact that they only accept like 7 people. I think it used to be just 2 out of state out of the whole country!
 
Maybe she meant more for externships/rotations? I know it's really hard to get in as an OOS, which is why I'm so happy I finally count as IS.
 
UGA has a good school but I wouldn't consider it "sought after" only because most out of state applicants are discouraged by the fact that they only accept like 7 people. I think it used to be just 2 out of state out of the whole country!

sought after for the clinical year for the exotics program-we have many students that want to do something in the exotics/wildlife field here (i think our exotics club is the largest club at the school!)
 
That's cool! I haven't heard anything about that here. I know that Germany likes to sent their students here for SA, but wildlife I hadn't heard anything.. Maybe I can ask and see if I could shadow there also.. haha
 
Honestly, I would recommend the most affordable option if I were in your shoes. I really like my school, but I've visited several other schools and thought they were all pretty equal and even when some of them had nicer hospitals I didn't think that would have justified an extra $40K-$100K in debt after 4 years. If my folks were paying my way and money was no object, then, sure, go wherever you think is objectively best.

Still, if money were no object, then I'd still go for the most affordable option and just ask my hypothetically-rich parents to put the savings towards a new car for me, preferably one w/AWD, sunroof, big hatch/wagon for my dog, and I could finally get the big screen HDTV I've always wanted. 🙂
 
Honestly, I would recommend the most affordable option if I were in your shoes. I really like my school, but I've visited several other schools and thought they were all pretty equal and even when some of them had nicer hospitals I didn't think that would have justified an extra $40K-$100K in debt after 4 years. If my folks were paying my way and money was no object, then, sure, go wherever you think is objectively best.

Still, if money were no object, then I'd still go for the most affordable option and just ask my hypothetically-rich parents to put the savings towards a new car for me, preferably one w/AWD, sunroof, big hatch/wagon for my dog, and I could finally get the big screen HDTV I've always wanted. 🙂

Very true words, my friend. Could everyone who goes to each school post a realistic debt range that they expect upon finishing vet school (if you're out if state)? I'm told going to the Carribean is the most expensive, yet the school tuition at SGU by far the cheapest compared to OOS tuition at Auburn and Virginia. Thoughts?
 
Very true words, my friend. Could everyone who goes to each school post a realistic debt range that they expect upon finishing vet school (if you're out if state)? I'm told going to the Carribean is the most expensive, yet the school tuition at SGU by far the cheapest compared to OOS tuition at Auburn and Virginia. Thoughts?

Based on justavet's calculations from this thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=849671

the estimated total COAs for non-residents for those schools falls roughly to:

VMRCVM $266,981
Auburn $251,733
St Georges $252,883

You can read in the thread to see how that poster came up with those figures, but I think an estimate of annual increases for tuition and costs of living are taken into account.
 
Does this include cost of living and such? Or is this just tuition charges?
 
Hi Z! (and everyone else). I was perplexed about SGU being cheaper than some schools too, but I verified with justavet. SGU is actually cheaper than in state at Penn! Crazy... And yes, COA refers to the total cost, including tuition and estimated costs for living, books, etc. it doesn't take into effect the cost to fly to and from SGU though, lol! I'm waiting I hear bak from SGU after my interview. Should be very soon! I really hope I get in, and that you join me, Z!!!
 
Hi Z! (and everyone else). I was perplexed about SGU being cheaper than some schools too, but I verified with justavet. SGU is actually cheaper than in state at Penn! Crazy... And yes, COA refers to the total cost, including tuition and estimated costs for living, books, etc. it doesn't take into effect the cost to fly to and from SGU though, lol! I'm waiting I hear bak from SGU after my interview. Should be very soon! I really hope I get in, and that you join me, Z!!!

Thanks! Everyday I lean more towards SGU! I'd love to be your classmate haha!
And that's crazy about Penn. I'm waiting on an interview invite from them... But maybe I don't want it, being OOS haha
 
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