Autopsy hell

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So I had my first autopsy today...EVER. Horrible. Miserable. Painful. Took five hours. Is this normal? There's no way in hell I'm doing 50 of these MFs. No help from any attending- they don't have a clue and couldn't care less. Senior resident taught me how. Thank God he was willing to help. Someone please tell me it gets better. Peace.
 
Don't worry. Everything takes time to learn. My average used to be 20 mins (don't do them anymore, but have done A LOT).
 
cjw0918 said:
So I had my first autopsy today...EVER. Horrible. Miserable. Painful. Took five hours. Is this normal? There's no way in hell I'm doing 50 of these MFs. No help from any attending- they don't have a clue and couldn't care less. Senior resident taught me how. Thank God he was willing to help. Someone please tell me it gets better. Peace.

They do get better.
Easier when you have done more, have an idea about the Dx (sometimes the clinical service nails it other times..) Listen to Senior residents, and find the tricks and tips that help you. I personally don't mind doing the autopsy, it is like Gross anatomy lab except it takes 20-30 min instead of 9 weeks.

Personally, I will tell you that blunt discestion is underrated. I can shell out kidneys and adrenals in >1min and almost never have to worry about transecting either. (sometimes those adrenals are just mush and nobody could get them out intact).

That and always double glove.


The paperwork on the other hand? ugh!
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To echo the above, they certainly do get better.

I remember my first few autopsies and then my first autopsy a long time after not having any. Those dissections took a long time mainly because I was still perfecting my technique.

Two helpful hints:
(1) Separate the heart/lung block from everything else first and then separate and inflate the lungs first thing. That way, the lungs can fix while you do the rest of the dissection.

(2) Finding the adrenal glands can be difficult especially when you haven't done many autopsies. A trick that was taught to me by one of the chief residents is to just bluntly dissect using your hands the perirenal/periadrenal fat from the overlying diaphragm. Find the adrenals from above and not from below (i.e., trying to dissect up the superior pole of the kidneys).

Different people have their own techniques. You simply have to do enough dissections on your own to come up with the best technique for you.

Personally, I am a big fan of blunt dissection using my hands. I just go elbow deep in all the mush and fat and just start tear away. Of course, you can use scissors and blades to refine the dissection depending on how perfectionistic you are. The goal is to find the disease and not try to come up with the perfect dissection deserving of publication in some anatomy atlas.
My goal is to finish the dissection in 1 hour, maybe 1.5 hours tops.
 
cjw0918 said:
So I had my first autopsy today...EVER. Horrible. Miserable. Painful. Took five hours. Is this normal? There's no way in hell I'm doing 50 of these MFs. No help from any attending- they don't have a clue and couldn't care less. Senior resident taught me how. Thank God he was willing to help. Someone please tell me it gets better. Peace.

Yes it gets better. I do an autopsy with a good deiner (sp?) in about 45 minutes and that includes external exam, organ removal, weighing, macroscopic and sectioning as well as brain. I spend about 10 min on the PAD. FADs can be a bit longer. That a full unrestricted post. A limited post you might do in private prac are far less, my personal record for a resticted liver only autopsy is just under 6 minutes. Never spent 5 hours doing a post tho, that is odd. I had done about 25ish before I even went to residency tho so I might have been special.
 
Don't you have a diener to help you? I'd be lost without ours.
 
My first (neonatal) post took 3 weekend hours and was mostly the PA, since I didn't know what I was doing.
49 more to go... I feel your pain.

I've seen it fly by though, when a senior resident and diener combine forces.
 
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