Average MCAT scores of Harvard, Yale, Princeton undergrads?

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Anyone know these values?
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Poliscidoc said:
Are you asking about the medical school or undergrad?
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That's what I was wondering as well. I searched several places and couldn't find the MCAT scores for their undergrad students. You can look on MDapps.com and search by undergrad institution to see the scores from those applicants, but idk how acurate that will be of the entire institution.

If you just mean for med school admission then you can easily find that on each schools website.
 
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mrdrdrjp said:
That's what I was wondering as well. I searched several places and couldn't find the MCAT scores for their undergrad students. You can look on MDapps.com and search by undergrad institution to see the scores from those applicants, but idk how acurate that will be of the entire institution.

If you just mean for med school admission then you can easily find that on each schools website.
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Unless your trying to find stats on Princeton med school
 
Poliscidoc said:
Are you asking about the medical school or undergrad?
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I meant for the undergrads at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton who are applying to medical schools... Thanks.
 
Trollol said:
I meant for the undergrads at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton who are applying to medical schools... Thanks.
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Probally not going to be published anywhere TROLL!



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Poliscidoc said:
Probally not going to be published anywhere TROLL!



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I'm positive that the health professions advising offices at each of those institutions keep track, and I'm equally positive that they'd tell pre-meds at those institutions so they can compare themselves to the rest of their student bodies. So if there are any pre-meds here from Harvard, Yale, or Princeton, they probably have access to that information.

And I'm a troll for asking for a couple of statistics? What?
 
Trollol said:
I'm positive that the health professions advising offices at each of those institutions keep track, and I'm equally positive that they'd tell pre-meds at those institutions so they can compare themselves to the rest of their student bodies. So if there are any pre-meds here from Harvard, Yale, or Princeton, they probably have access to that information.

And I'm a troll for asking for a couple of statistics? What?
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Have you looked at your username?

Sweet I got two people in one thread!
 
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Be very careful with any information furnished by advising offices, as it is most likely extremely flawwed. How would an undergrad have this information about their applicants? It'd have to be self reported, and certainly many students would be left out. Students with lower scores are more likely to either over-self-report or fly under the radar.

Recently there was a thread about advising office statistics for admissions to UC schools from a top UC undergrad. It was pointed out that the number of students reported by the undergrad was far less than the AAMC statistic of the number of students from that undergrad who applied that year. Suprise, suprise, the advising office reported that a huge proportion of their applicants were accepted to UC schools.

The moral of the story is do the best you can. You are not an average, but an individual. If you're a high school student attempting to choose an undergrad, or someone looking to transfer, look to other aspects of curriculum or location to make your choice. If you are intrinsically a 12 inch fish, you're the same size if you're in a pond where the average fish is 20 inches or 10 inches.
 
The average for Harvard, Yale, Brown and Princeton is 33. UPenn and Cornell 32, which leads me to believe Dartmouth should be around there as well.

The national mean is 29..
 
BrainBuff said:
The average for Harvard, Yale, Brown and Princeton is 33. UPenn and Cornell 32, which leads me to believe Dartmouth should be around there as well.

The national mean is 29..
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50th percentile is like a 25, so that can't be right
 
wheredshego said:
Some of this info is a few years old, but here you go:

Statistics for Princeton students matriculating in 2006 (acceptance rate by school and mean GPA and MCAT)
Mean MCAT by test date from April 1995 to August 2004 for Princeton students
Princeton Class of 2009 GPA by decile
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Looking at that data I notice the complete lack of information on how it was compiled, making it suspect. I stated above several reasons why university-reported acceptance information is questionable at best, and these data do nothing to change my mind. This information is used to awe visiting freshmen and their parents.

Heck, my own undergrad (Very not at all prestigious... think Northeastern Middle of Nowhere) likes to tell freshmen that better than 95% of applicants from the school get in. Their definition of "applicants" consists of only students who have been rubberstamped by the school in the form of a committee letter, which requires certain criteria be met. If your school will only write letters for those with 3.5+ GPA and 30+ MCAT, and those are the only applicants they will count, then sure, they'll have high stats.

Also consider that many schools count DO acceptances in their "overall medical school acceptance rate."
 
ThaliaNox said:
This information is used to awe visiting freshmen and their parents.
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Actually the information I provided is buried in the index of Princeton's Health Professions Advising website and can no longer be navigated to from the main page, so I don't think it's fair to say that it's used to wow prospective students. In fact, it's not even disseminated to Princeton's med school applicants anymore. Moreover, Princeton does not have a rubber-stamp process for applicants; anyone who completes his/her pre-med coursework gets a committee letter. You're right to be suspicious of university-reported data, but I think that in this case your suspicion might be misplaced.
 
It changes a decent amount year to year at Brown. I've seen it as high as 35 and as low as 31... 33 is probably a good approximation. Of course, as pointed below these are for ADMITTED applicants. It is likely lower if you factor in all applicants (though Brown often places 90%+ of all applicants applying into a med school... though, I've heard rumors it's down a little lately into the high 80%).

BrainBuff said:
Someone already posted the source for Princeton. You can get the stats from the specific schools websites. Here is last years Brown Premed Admission Data
http://www.brown.edu/Administration/Dean_of_the_College/hco/data/

bleargh and rockaction; the numbers represent the average MCAT scores for admitted applicants. I think that is the important number. Very different than just applicants.
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wheredshego said:
Actually the information I provided is buried in the index of Princeton's Health Professions Advising website and can no longer be navigated to from the main page, so I don't think it's fair to say that it's used to wow prospective students. In fact, it's not even disseminated to Princeton's med school applicants anymore. Moreover, Princeton does not have a rubber-stamp process for applicants; anyone who completes his/her pre-med coursework gets a committee letter. You're right to be suspicious of university-reported data, but I think that in this case your suspicion might be misplaced.
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Orly?
 
^ I meant Princeton undergrads applying to med school obviously...
 
I don't know what the obsession is with premeds and MCAT from certain schools. The school doesn't teach to the MCAT you're going to need to study it YOURSELF. Obviously just by the type of students that go to highly selective universities they're going to have higher averages in MCAT scores. Gosh.
 
I'm sure grade/score inflation is involved in some way :meanie:
 
ThaliaNox said:
Looking at that data I notice the complete lack of information on how it was compiled, making it suspect. I stated above several reasons why university-reported acceptance information is questionable at best, and these data do nothing to change my mind. This information is used to awe visiting freshmen and their parents.

Heck, my own undergrad (Very not at all prestigious... think Northeastern Middle of Nowhere) likes to tell freshmen that better than 95% of applicants from the school get in. Their definition of "applicants" consists of only students who have been rubberstamped by the school in the form of a committee letter, which requires certain criteria be met. If your school will only write letters for those with 3.5+ GPA and 30+ MCAT, and those are the only applicants they will count, then sure, they'll have high stats.

Also consider that many schools count DO acceptances in their "overall medical school acceptance rate."
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The difference between Princeton and UC Berkeley is that every single pre-med at Princeton gets a committee letter, and the HPA at Princeton collects data every year from all applicants who apply through the HPA (which is ~100%). The HPA of course collects the information of every applicant it writes a committee letter for. This is what I gather from Princeton's HPA's website.
 
ThaliaNox said:
Looking at that data I notice the complete lack of information on how it was compiled, making it suspect. I stated above several reasons why university-reported acceptance information is questionable at best, and these data do nothing to change my mind. This information is used to awe visiting freshmen and their parents.

Heck, my own undergrad (Very not at all prestigious... think Northeastern Middle of Nowhere) likes to tell freshmen that better than 95% of applicants from the school get in. Their definition of "applicants" consists of only students who have been rubberstamped by the school in the form of a committee letter, which requires certain criteria be met. If your school will only write letters for those with 3.5+ GPA and 30+ MCAT, and those are the only applicants they will count, then sure, they'll have high stats.

Also consider that many schools count DO acceptances in their "overall medical school acceptance rate."
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Seconded. Screening for committee letters is VERY common at upper tier institutions. When I applied for med school, my school didn't have a committee letter program. You just got individual letters from professors. After I finished applying they started advertising the benefits of the committee letters. (yada yada our admitted % is ~45% but peer schools with committee letters have 70%+ kids applying and getting admitted).

All I could think was 'no ****, you select out the weak ones and that percentage obviously goes up'. Looking at their preferred stats for having a letter written on my behalf they likely wouldn't have written me a letter. That's just not cool in my book. I have several friends who are border line med school applicants who were asked to do some more work to beef up their application before they'd get a letter. Who's to say they couldn't have gotten in without that extra work?
 
Trollol said:
The difference between Princeton and UC Berkeley is that every single pre-med at Princeton gets a committee letter, and the HPA at Princeton collects data every year from all applicants who apply through the HPA (which is ~100%). The HPA of course collects the information of every applicant it writes a committee letter for. This is what I gather from Princeton's HPA's website.
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Not every single pre-med at Princeton gets a committee letter. There are certain criteria and requirements that need to be fulfilled, like getting specific letters, meeting with the committee, providing a resume, and all within specific deadlines. Of course, these are not impossible nor difficult but they want to see some degree of "initiative" from the students.

Anyway, all schools with these committees do pretty much the same thing. The letter is not automatic.
 
Crazy what goes on up there.
 
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wheredshego said:
Actually the information I provided is buried in the index of Princeton's Health Professions Advising website and can no longer be navigated to from the main page, so I don't think it's fair to say that it's used to wow prospective students. In fact, it's not even disseminated to Princeton's med school applicants anymore. Moreover, Princeton does not have a rubber-stamp process for applicants; anyone who completes his/her pre-med coursework gets a committee letter. You're right to be suspicious of university-reported data, but I think that in this case your suspicion might be misplaced.
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Nope, not true.

Trollol said:
The difference between Princeton and UC Berkeley is that every single pre-med at Princeton gets a committee letter, and the HPA at Princeton collects data every year from all applicants who apply through the HPA (which is ~100%). The HPA of course collects the information of every applicant it writes a committee letter for. This is what I gather from Princeton's HPA's website.
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Where the heck is this information coming from?

BrainBuff said:
Not every single pre-med at Princeton gets a committee letter. There are certain criteria and requirements that need to be fulfilled, like getting specific letters, meeting with the committee, providing a resume, and all within specific deadlines. Of course, these are not impossible nor difficult but they want to see some degree of "initiative" from the students.

Anyway, all schools with these committees do pretty much the same thing. The letter is not automatic.
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Finally, some sense. Add write an autobio & interview with the committee to list and you are pretty much set. There is also a GPA cutoff/requirement, if you don't meet that cutoff they "suggest" you take some time off/fix your GPA/whatever.
 
I didn't realize they published that lol.. also if they do I don't think it would be very accurate
 
bookfreak89 said:
Nope, not true.



Where the heck is this information coming from?



Finally, some sense. Add write an autobio & interview with the committee to list and you are pretty much set. There is also a GPA cutoff/requirement, if you don't meet that cutoff they "suggest" you take some time off/fix your GPA/whatever.
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Okay, stop right there. I go to Princeton, I've been to all of the informational pre-med meeting, I've talking to the advisers numerous times. They have never mentioned any GPA cutoff. I'd like to know who you know from Princeton who was unable to get a committee letter, because it would really surprise me if there was a Princeton student who truly wanted to become a doctor but was denied a letter from our HPA.

I personally know someone (who was a senior last year) with a 2.9 who got a committee letter and is currently at UMDNJ. If there is a GPA cutoff, it's not even relevant.
 
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BrainBuff said:
Not every single pre-med at Princeton gets a committee letter. There are certain criteria and requirements that need to be fulfilled, like getting specific letters, meeting with the committee, providing a resume, and all within specific deadlines. Of course, these are not impossible nor difficult but they want to see some degree of "initiative" from the students.

Anyway, all schools with these committees do pretty much the same thing. The letter is not automatic.
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Yeah, obviously all applicants who want a committee letter have to find 2 science recs and 1 non-science rec, have a resume, write an autobiography, and fill out the miscellaneous forms they list on their website by April of the application year. Except for the misc. forms and autobiography, so does everyone else.
 
111111111111111 said:
Okay, stop right there. I go to Princeton, I've been to all of the informational pre-med meeting, I've talking to the advisers numerous times. They have never mentioned any GPA cutoff. I'd like to know who you know from Princeton who was unable to get a committee letter, because it would really surprise me if there was a Princeton student who truly wanted to become a doctor but was denied a letter from our HPA.

I personally know someone (who was a senior last year) with a 2.9 who got a committee letter and is currently at UMDNJ. If there is a GPA cutoff, it's not even relevant.
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lol this shows the impact of having a letter lol
 
111111111111111 said:
Okay, stop right there. I go to Princeton, I've been to all of the informational pre-med meeting, I've talking to the advisers numerous times. They have never mentioned any GPA cutoff. I'd like to know who you know from Princeton who was unable to get a committee letter, because it would really surprise me if there was a Princeton student who truly wanted to become a doctor but was denied a letter from our HPA.

I personally know someone (who was a senior last year) with a 2.9 who got a committee letter and is currently at UMDNJ. If there is a GPA cutoff, it's not even relevant.
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I went to Princeton. I was denied a committee letter due to GPA (2.6) and asked to take some post-bacc classes to bring it up (just a semester or two of good grades in upper level sciences). Then again, I think I have the lowest GPA they've seen in a while. For anyone 3.0+, HPA would never deny a letter.
 
shouldvestudied said:
I went to Princeton. I was denied a committee letter due to GPA (2.6) and asked to take some post-bacc classes to bring it up (just a semester or two of good grades in upper level sciences). Then again, I think I have the lowest GPA they've seen in a while. For anyone 3.0+, HPA would never deny a letter.
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Oh wow... So did it work out in the end? Or is it in progress?
 
Yale's average is about a 34 for admitted students (which I believe is >90% of applicants)
 
111111111111111 said:
Okay, stop right there. I go to Princeton, I've been to all of the informational pre-med meeting, I've talking to the advisers numerous times. They have never mentioned any GPA cutoff. I'd like to know who you know from Princeton who was unable to get a committee letter, because it would really surprise me if there was a Princeton student who truly wanted to become a doctor but was denied a letter from our HPA.

I personally know someone (who was a senior last year) with a 2.9 who got a committee letter and is currently at UMDNJ. If there is a GPA cutoff, it's not even relevant.
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Well, the med school applicant guide says that we shouldn't apply if our grades aren't "competitive" someone at one of the meetings asked what this meant exactly and Glenn stated that you needed a 3.3 minimum to apply (or be competitive). If it isn't a strict cutoff then it is my mistake, but I am sure that he has stated this at least once.

And at least 4 LORs are needed (you listed 3 in your post).
 
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bookfreak89 said:
Well, the med school applicant guide says that we shouldn't apply if our grades aren't "competitive" someone at one of the meetings asked what this meant exactly and Glenn stated that you needed a 3.3 minimum to apply (or be competitive). If it isn't a strict cutoff then it is my mistake, but I am sure that he has stated this at least once.

And at least 4 LORs are needed (you listed 3 in your post).
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He said you'll probably get in somewhere if you have a 3.3 from Princeton. The average GPA of the applicants is a 3.3, so obviously there are MANY people with lower than that who apply.

They tell you to get 4 LORs, but those aren't even due till after their pre-application interviews. I doubt they'll say "oh, you don't have 3 LOR's? We refuse to write your committee letter." They'll probably just tell you to get them one more LOR by the end of summer or something.
 
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