Average proction per day

[rsweeney]

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On average, what do you think is the average production per day expected of an associate? I am not including the production from all the hygiene checks.

Or, to make it interesting, for those in private practice what is your average production per day including and not including hygiene checks (per doctor, not total practice production)?

Thanks for the input.

 

[HuyetKiem]

On average, what do you think is the average production per day expected of an associate? I am not including the production from all the hygiene checks.

Or, to make it interesting, for those in private practice what is your average production per day including and not including hygiene checks (per doctor, not total practice production)?

Thanks for the input.

Each of my associates produces typically around $3000-3500/day and brings home around $1200-1300.

 

[jsmars03]

Each of my associates produces typically around $3000-3500/day and brings home around $1200-1300.

I want to come work for you!

 

[aphistis]

Each of my associates produces typically around $3000-3500/day and brings home around $1200-1300.

1200 is 33% of 3600, just to keep the math simple. You're saying you pay them enough that they're taking home 33% of production after taxes? I don't think I believe this.

 

[nextuszerodmd]

1200 is 33% of 3600, just to keep the math simple. You're saying you pay them enough that they're taking home 33% of production after taxes? I don't think I believe this.

maybe they're 1099ed?

 

[HuyetKiem]

1200 is 33% of 3600, just to keep the math simple. You're saying you pay them enough that they're taking home 33% of production after taxes? I don't think I believe this.

35-50%, depending of type of procedure and it's 1099-misc

 

[KinKs]

1200 is 33% of 3600, just to keep the math simple. You're saying you pay them enough that they're taking home 33% of production after taxes? I don't think I believe this.

This is something I see on SDN all the time and I can't understand why people do it. It starts with someone saying something and another poster expressing his belief or disbelief.

Quite frankly, what you think you believe or do not believe is irrelevant.

 

[aphistis]

This is something I see on SDN all the time and I can't understand why people do it. It starts with someone saying something and another poster expressing his belief or disbelief.

Quite frankly, what you think you believe or do not believe is irrelevant.

Of course, the main problem with this line of argument is one of its immediate corollaries, that what you yourself think about what others think is just as equally irrelevant. 🙂

Honest skepticism is one of the pillars of scientific inquiry. Don't be so afraid of it.

 

[mrlantern]

Dentistry would be so much better if dentists were paid per patient visit and usually salaried. This is one thing I envy about physicians.

 

[aphistis]

Dentistry would be so much better if dentists were paid per patient visit and usually salaried. This is one thing I envy about physicians.

Better for you personally, perhaps. The rest of us are generally pretty satisfied with things as they are.

 

[OceanDMD]

Dentistry would be so much better if dentists were paid per patient visit and usually salaried. This is one thing I envy about physicians.

This is similar to Capitation insurance. The compensation sucks. Why would you think seeing more patients/day to make a larger salary is a good thing? This completely goes against the comprehensive treatment philosophy of a dental practice. I would much rather see 4 patients, each requiring a quadrant or an arch than 10 patients each needing one filling. Think about it.

 

[OceanDMD]

Back to the thread question, we have 3 dentists, one averages 4000/day, one 3500/day, and one 2700/day(the associate). Our hygienists average 1200/day, each.

The associate is payed 35% of the collections, after his lab bill is taken off the top.

 

[aphistis]

Back to the thread question, we have 3 dentists, one averages 4000/day, one 3500/day, and one 2700/day(the associate). Our hygienists average 1200/day, each.

The associate is payed 35% of the collections, after his lab bill is taken off the top.

Ocean, do you mind sharing your percentage overhead?

 

[OceanDMD]

Ocean, do you mind sharing your percentage overhead?

Our overhead runs between 63 - 67%. This year its a bit lower due to less demand for large case cosmetics (lab bill down 20%).

 

[nextuszerodmd]

Back to the thread question, we have 3 dentists, one averages 4000/day, one 3500/day, and one 2700/day(the associate). Our hygienists average 1200/day, each.

The associate is payed 35% of the collections, after his lab bill is taken off the top.

whats your percentage of collections if you dont mind sharing.

thanks 🙂

 

[KinKs]

Of course, the main problem with this line of argument is one of its immediate corollaries, that what you yourself think about what others think is just as equally irrelevant. 🙂

Honest skepticism is one of the pillars of scientific inquiry. Don't be so afraid of it.

There is nothing equal about our posts. You expressed a thought, I then factually (not thoughtfully) responded clearly stating the irrelevance of your thought.

 

[aphistis]

There is nothing equal about our posts. You expressed a thought, I then factually (not thoughtfully) responded clearly stating the irrelevance of your thought.

In that case, I hope you'll indulge a senile old man like myself one more time. Could you please clearly identify which facts you're referring to?

 

[robhmnt]

This is something I see on SDN all the time and I can't understand why people do it. It starts with someone saying something and another poster expressing his belief or disbelief.

Quite frankly, what you think you believe or do not believe is irrelevant.

There is this cool concept, you might wanna check it out.
http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=freedom+of+speech

 

[ToldYouSo]

*Troll Alert*

 

[Aznfarmerboi]

In that case, I hope you'll indulge a senile old man like myself one more time. Could you please clearly identify which facts you're referring to?

you are too nice to your students. Open a can of whoop ass. Dont let a 20ish year old talk to you like that! jk 👍

 

[Aznfarmerboi]

There is this cool concept, you might wanna check it out.
http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=freedom+of+speech

 

[OceanDMD]

whats your percentage of collections if you dont mind sharing.

thanks 🙂

around 95-97%. We take few insurances, only the major ones in the area, and to be frank, most of the AR issues are related to tardy insurance payments. A recommendation when you get out, do not internally finance patients, use the care credit like companies.

 

[DrJeff]

A recommendation when you get out, do not internally finance patients, use the care credit like companies.

+100!!!!

Used to do the internal financing stuff, our AR was a bit ridiculous (most accountants will tell you that your AR should be ATMOST 1.5x your average month) we had slowly worked our way upto an AR that was almost at 4 months production 😱, now since essentially the only financing we offer is via Care Credit(and have done for almost 2 years now), our AR usually fluctuates between 0.75 and 1.25x a usual month's production.

 

[NyCzPeter]

This is something I see on SDN all the time and I can't understand why people do it. It starts with someone saying something and another poster expressing his belief or disbelief.

Quite frankly, what you think you believe or do not believe is irrelevant.

This is something I see on SDN quite often and I don't understand why people do it. It starts with someone expressing his honest critique about a statement and another poster telling them their ideas are irrelevant.

At least aphistis' post contributes to this conversation by questioning the validity of a response, and quite frankly, what you think is or isn't relevant is irrelevant.

 

[KinKs]

I agree, my thoughts are irrelevant within the context of this forum and that is why I seldom, if ever, express them. I venture to say that my thoughts about the validity of another's experience are especially, ridiculously, irrelevant.

If a post reads “I pay my associates X dollars". What grounds do I have to agree or disagree with that the statement? I do not not know this person, I am not aware of his/her geographic location and I am not familiar with the special circumstances that may allow his/her "experience" to be true.

Whether or not I express my belief or disbelief, his/her experience may or may not be true.

The expression therefore, is essentially useless.

 

[KinKs]

This is something I see on SDN quite often and I don't understand why people do it. It starts with someone expressing his honest critique about a statement and another poster telling them their ideas are irrelevant.

At least aphistis' post contributes to this conversation by questioning the validity of a response, and quite frankly, what you think is or isn't relevant is irrelevant.

The good man did not express an idea, he clearly expressed a thought which was especially irrelevant becuase he questioned the validity of another's experience.

 

[NyCzPeter]

The good man did not express an idea, he clearly expressed a thought which was especially irrelevant becuase he questioned the validity of another's experience.

Dude, Idea and thought is the same thing.

Anyway, "the cup is half empty" is an experience. "I pay my associates X dollars" is a factual claim which can be questioned on the grounds that Aphistis is a practicing doctor with a real job, real paychecks, and thus some knowledge of the income range for associates here in the USA.

If I said that I paid $1.08 for a Brand New fully loaded Mercedes Benz today at the 99cent store, I hope you would atleast be somewhat skeptical based on your knowledge of the price range for Benzes regardless of who I am, or my geographic location.

 

[OceanDMD]

Dude, Idea and thought is the same thing.

Anyway, "the cup is half empty" is an experience. "I pay my associates X dollars" is a factual claim which can be questioned on the grounds that Aphistis is a practicing doctor with a real job, real paychecks, and thus some knowledge of the income range for associates here in the USA.

If I said that I paid $1.08 for a Brand New fully loaded Mercedes Benz today at the 99cent store, I hope you would atleast be somewhat skeptical based on your knowledge of the price range for Benzes regardless of who I am, or my geographic location.

Let me say something to support aphistis. Whoever Huyetkiem is, they graduated, bought an existing practice with associates, have been apparently unaffected by the current economy, and apparently must be producing multi-millions/year. A year out of school.

As far as paying an associate 1200-1500/day, if that associate works 4 days per week, thats $291,000/year. This is probably in the top .001% of associate pay in the country. You make your own opinions.

Oh, and huyetkiem said associates (plural). So, she is paying more than one a salary like this, with more than one producing 3-5k/day. I am calling BS with aphisitis. Not because the glass is half full, but because it just seem ludicrous considering the posters actual experience.

 

[HuyetKiem]

Yup, Picking a right clinical dental school is very important, not just based on cheap price alone. I guess Case dental school had trained me well in every aspect. I've known few other Case grads have owned more than 1 office with several associates less than 5 yrs out and have done well since day 1.

 

[jay47]

Let me say something to support aphistis. Whoever Huyetkiem is, they graduated, bought an existing practice with associates, have been apparently unaffected by the current economy, and apparently must be producing multi-millions/year. A year out of school.😕
As far as paying an associate 1200-1500/day, if that associate works 4 days per week, thats $291,000/year. This is probably in the top .001% of associate pay in the country. You make your own opinions.

Oh, and huyetkiem said associates (plural). So, she is paying more than one a salary like this, with more than one producing 3-5k/day. I am calling BS with aphisitis. Not because the glass is half full, but because it just seem ludicrous considering the posters actual experience.

👍

 

[phremius]

Yup, Picking a right clinical dental school is very important, not just based on cheap price alone. I guess Case dental school had trained me well in every aspect. I've known few other Case grads have owned more than 1 office with several associates less than 5 yrs out and have done well since day 1.

Also remember location of your future practice will play a large part

 

[Sbosu]

Now I know why people never respond to these kinds of questions, becuase they get attacked for doing so.