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Avid Motorcyclist as Hobby on AMCAS?
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ummm...boxing is an Olympic sport. you should put it on your AMCAS. i would. boxing is the sweetest of all sciences. jk
boxing teaches:
1. analyzing your own strength to exploit your opponents weakness
2. prophylaxis by thwarting your opponents gameplan
3. tactical and strategic vision
4. COURAGE
this list could go on forever, but i got to go.
Mayweather v. Packman 2010
A better response would have probably downplayed injuries rather than glorified them 😛
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In all seriousness, boxing is a respected sport. It's not a bar room brawl.
👍I think some people will see it as poor judgement. I mean when you ride you put your life in the hands of the drivers around you. You could be doing everything right but its that one person who is texting instead of watching the road that could take your life. Chances of a fatality are so much higher when youre on a bike. I know too many people who have been badly injured or killed riding so be careful.No to motorcycling. It is not looked at kindly in the medical community. With your luck, you'd get a trauma surgeon. They hate motorcycles. (Obviously these are generalizations. You just don't want to take the chance...)
👍I think some people will see it as poor judgement. I mean when you ride you put your life in the hands of the drivers around you. You could be doing everything right but its that one person who is texting instead of watching the road that could take your life. Chances of a fatality are so much higher when youre on a bike. I know too many people who have been badly injured or killed riding so be careful.
Still, admitting that you enjoy pummeling a fellow person with your fists may not be the best thing for entering a profession of "healers". Just my opinion.
I see where youre trying to go with that but it really has nothing to do with being a doctor. A good doctor will know the difference between a necessary risk and an unnecessary risk. Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to ride a bike instead of taking a car so its an unnecessary risk you take because you enjoy riding. Hmm...I think I've just waded into the philosophical waters regarding pre-destiny(if youre going to die youre going to die. Motorcycle or not) Better stop while I still can. FYI: I think for the most part, everyone on this forum is well informed about risk. Were spending thousands of dollars we dont even have and sacrificing so much for an opportunity that is not guaranteed.'Cause that's nothing like being a doctor at all, where despite doing everything correct, you could still end up with a dead patient. Or being sued. Or something of the like.
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There isn't anything in life which doesn't require you to take some risk. I drive a small car .
I see where youre trying to go with that but it really has nothing to do with being a doctor. A good doctor will know the difference between a necessary risk and an unnecessary risk. Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to ride a bike instead of taking a car so its an unnecessary risk you take because you enjoy riding. Hmm...I think I've just waded into the philosophical waters regarding pre-destiny(if youre going to die youre going to die. Motorcycle or not) Better stop while I still can. FYI: I think for the most part, everyone on this forum is well informed about risk. Were spending thousands of dollars we dont even have and sacrificing so much for an opportunity that is not guaranteed.
Nobody holds a gun to your head and tells you to go into a surgical residency, which is going to have a high risk of accidental death, unavoidable death, and being sued. But if you enjoy surgery, that's where you go. You don't go to dermatology or psychiatry just to avoid being sued if you want to do something else with a known, higher risk.
So... yeah. I'm not saying that this is a comparison that the adcoms are going to make. But riding a motorcycle isn't really a display of risky behavior. It's a behavior that's more risky than driving a small car, as a small car is more risky than driving a big car, which is more risky than just riding the bus. People take risks in everything they do, and I don't think that motorcycling warrants a stupid risk unless the person decides to be stupid while riding a motorcycle.
am I gonna be a bad doctor? I like to box AND ride a motorcycle...🙄
lol, i may put it as a hobby after reading about it more on here...
Ninja 650 🙂
Better than boxing while on a motorcycle.
Or with a motorcycle.
Then you'd look like a real nut.
There's always the guy with long hair, tattoos, and gauged earlobes who gets into medical school. But that's not the norm. I'm just saying it's not worth the risk of getting an interviewer who looks down on motorcycles because let's face it, they are much more dangerous than cars. And a lot of people get into motorcycle accidents, stay on a vent for 3 weeks, spend another few weeks in the hospital and months in rehab, all from riding a motorcycle.lulwut?!?!11?
The "medical community" (who is that exactly?) "hates" motorcycles? No way. I put it on my application and got plenty of interviews. Non-riders don't give a ****, BUT . . . riders on the other hand . . . it's an immediate bond
HD '95 Springer Softail (50,000+ miles on that bad boy, all mine . . . 20 grand and 20 miles, don't make you a biker)
Are you against smoking? Smoking isn't universally fatal. It's just a risk factor for COPD and many cancers. Lots of people smoke all their lives and have a normal life expectancy...just like many motorcyclists.
I suppose I am a bit biased on this topic but never the less I don't see how becoming a surgeon has anything to do with straddling a 1900cc engine going 70mph with nothing between you and death😱 I guess there's our answer. Being a motorcyclist has nothing to do with being a doctor. I drive a car so should I put that on my app? Probably not lol.Nobody holds a gun to your head and tells you to go into a surgical residency, which is going to have a high risk of accidental death, unavoidable death, and being sued. But if you enjoy surgery, that's where you go. You don't go to dermatology or psychiatry just to avoid being sued if you want to do something else with a known, higher risk.
So... yeah. I'm not saying that this is a comparison that the adcoms are going to make. But riding a motorcycle isn't really a display of risky behavior. It's a behavior that's more risky than driving a small car, as a small car is more risky than driving a big car, which is more risky than just riding the bus. People take risks in everything they do, and I don't think that motorcycling warrants a stupid risk unless the person decides to be stupid while riding a motorcycle.
I suppose I am a bit biased on this topic but never the less I don't see how becoming a surgeon has anything to do with straddling a 1900cc engine going 70mph with nothing between you and death😱 I guess there's our answer. Being a motorcyclist has nothing to do with being a doctor. I drive a car so should I put that on my app? Probably not lol.
Smoking is only very mildly dangerous each time you do it. The immediate effects of smoking are not bad. It's the cumulative effect of a 30 pack-year smoking history that does someone in, not the one time they snuck a Camel from that plumber doing some work on their house when they were a kid.You'll have to connect the dots with this argument champ.
Smoking is actually damaging to you every time you do it.
Riding a motorcycle is not.
My argument is that similar to smoking, people can ride motorcycles their whole lives and suffer no (or few) ill side effects. There was a guy in my hometown who smoked a carton (not a mistake) of Marlboro Reds a day and was doing great into his 70s.
Lots of physicians look down on motorcyclists, for better or worse. I'm just saying I wouldn't take a chance by listing it.
Hey don't judge it till you've tried it! 😉
Well, I know of one guy who does. I'm pretty sure he lights the next one with the last bit of the previous one.Nobody can smoke a carton of smokes per day. That's silly and asinine.
There is little damage from one cigarette, one pack, or even a pack-year. I'm not going to find the paper now, but your risk of ill effects is pretty low until you're in double-digit pack-years.Your argument still fails. Because while there is potential for danger with each motorcycle ride, there IS danger every time you smoke a cigarette. Now you want to argue that the real and actual danger and damage from one cigarette is negligible, and I'd have to agree, BUT that is still not same as riding a motorcyle where the risk is possible. The difference is real damage vs a possibility.
It's not a perfect comparison but they are fairly similar. Both are optional activities that people do because they enjoy them. There is an element of addiction in cigarette smoking though. Both have the potential to be hazardous to your health. Cigarette smoking has a cumulative effect over a lifetime of smoking. (I disagree that it is bad for you each time you smoke. It is technically, but only transiently and mildly. The chief danger in smoking is a lifetime of doing it.) Motorcycling has the potential to be dangerous and fatal each and every time you do it. It's a roll of the dice each time you ride. At least with smoking you're assured you're not going to die taking a drag on your second pack. So I think they're pretty comparable.If you want to make a case that riding a motorcyle places you at increased risk of morbidty and motality, fine, but you'll need to find a different example. Comparing smoking to riding a motorcycle is complete rubbish.
"Lots" was intentionally amorphous. I've never seen a study looking at physician views on motorcycling, but I've met a lot that disparage it and don't look kindly on people who ride motorcycles. Enough that I would advise people not to put it on an application. The OP can do with that information as he may. For something as important as a medical school application, I think the cost:benefit analysis is in favor of leaving it off. It's hardly garbage advice. What's the best case scenario? "Oh, he rides bikes. That's cool..." Worst case? An anti-motorcyle "nazi" as you say is on the committee or interviews him and has a negative perception of him, and he doesn't get in. That's not a gamble I'd be willing to wager, myself."Lots" (an amorphous term if there ever was one) do not look down on riding a motorcycle. You are merely making the cynical assumption that one might possibly run into one of the anti-motorcycle nazis and therefore should leave it off their application. I hear your point, I just think it's garbage advice.
Well, I know of one guy who does. I'm pretty sure he lights the next one with the last bit of the previous one.
There is little damage from one cigarette, one pack, or even a pack-year. I'm not going to find the paper now, but your risk of ill effects is pretty low until you're in double-digit pack-years.
It's not a perfect comparison but they are fairly similar. Both are optional activities that people do because they enjoy them. There is an element of addiction in cigarette smoking though. Both have the potential to be hazardous to your health. Cigarette smoking has a cumulative effect over a lifetime of smoking. (I disagree that it is bad for you each time you smoke. It is technically, but only transiently and mildly. The chief danger in smoking is a lifetime of doing it.) Motorcycling has the potential to be dangerous and fatal each and every time you do it. It's a roll of the dice each time you ride. At least with smoking you're assured you're not going to die taking a drag on your second pack. So I think they're pretty comparable.
"Lots" was intentionally amorphous. I've never seen a study looking at physician views on motorcycling, but I've met a lot that disparage it and don't look kindly on people who ride motorcycles. Enough that I would advise people not to put it on an application. The OP can do with that information as he may. For something as important as a medical school application, I think the cost:benefit analysis is in favor of leaving it off. It's hardly garbage advice. What's the best case scenario? "Oh, he rides bikes. That's cool..." Worst case? An anti-motorcyle "nazi" as you say is on the committee or interviews him and has a negative perception of him, and he doesn't get in. That's not a gamble I'd be willing to wager, myself.
I'm just relaying what I've heard. You probably know more about smoking than I do. I don't even know how many packs are in a carton.Even doing that isn't going to net you a carton a day.
Yes, they are two different activities. That's why it's an analogy. I've even said a few times it's not a perfect analogy either. I'm drawing parallels between two self-harming activities on an anonymous internet board, not arguing Constitutional law in front of the Supreme Court here.You destroyed your position with you very own arguments, demonstrating the clear difference between the two activities.
Yes, they are two different activities. That's why it's an analogy. I've even said a few times it's not a perfect analogy either. I'm drawing parallels between two self-harming activities on an anonymous internet board, not arguing Constitutional law in front of the Supreme Court here.
Look, chief, you are clearly interested in re-living your high school debate team days. I'm not trying to "destroy positions" or "defeat your argument." I'm just making the case why motorcycling is not something I'd list on my AMCAS. You felt differently and you've said as much. The OP solicited opinions and we've both given ours. I'll let you continue being this guy.
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I have no opinion regarding the cons/pros of putting this activity on your application. But just out of curiousity I wonder if it really is that dangerous? I mean I ride bicycle on highways and city streets and I figure it is much more dangerous because cars pass me all the time. If you're on the motorcycle going at the same speed as the rest of traffic, then you may have the road all to yourself. It's only if it's a 2 lane highway and you insist on sharing those 2 lanes with another car instead of going in front or in the back that it becomes dangerous. I must also note that sometimes I've been known to drive a car and not pay attention on the same rural roads that I used to bike and if there had been a cyclist on one of those turns he would've been road meat.👍I think some people will see it as poor judgement. I mean when you ride you put your life in the hands of the drivers around you. You could be doing everything right but its that one person who is texting instead of watching the road that could take your life. Chances of a fatality are so much higher when youre on a bike. I know too many people who have been badly injured or killed riding so be careful.
I have no opinion regarding the cons/pros of putting this activity on your application. But just out of curiousity I wonder if it really is that dangerous? I mean I ride bicycle on highways and city streets and I figure it is much more dangerous because cars pass me all the time. If you're on the motorcycle going at the same speed as the rest of traffic, then you may have the road all to yourself. It's only if it's a 2 lane highway and you insist on sharing those 2 lanes with another car instead of going in front or in the back that it becomes dangerous. I must also note that sometimes I've been known to drive a car and not pay attention on the same rural roads that I used to bike and if there had been a cyclist on one of those turns he would've been road meat.