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Whenever I see someone talking about money and Dentistry they always say if you want money be a banker.

Why?

150k-350k yearly
30-45 hour work weeks

Versus

170k-190k(if associate) to 500k (if you get promoted, BIG if)
70-120 hour week weeks (in the beginning) and then 80+ after, maybe 60+ if you are some ungodly person.

If we take the top salary the iber isn't making much more than the dentist per hour since they work ridiculous hours.

People also seem to think becoming a banker is easy, because there are so many jobs and everyone needs a banker🙄
 
Whenever I see someone talking about money and Dentistry they always say if you want money be a banker.

Why?

150k-350k yearly
30-45 hour work weeks

Versus

170k-190k(if associate) to 500k (if you get promoted, BIG if)
70-120 hour week weeks (in the beginning) and then 80+ after, maybe 60+ if you are some ungodly person.

If we take the top salary the iber isn't making much more than the dentist per hour since they work ridiculous hours.

People also seem to think becoming a banker is easy, because there are so many jobs and everyone needs a banker🙄

There is no doubt about it, banking (if you are successful) will bring in ALOT more $$$.... But the problem is, not everyone gets into banking and to make things worse for those who make it, only a select few taste the high-life.

Your odds of working hard in undergrad and getting accepted into a dental school followed by a successful career making between 120-200k+ are ALOT greater than a successful investment banker.
 
There is no doubt about it, banking (if you are successful) will bring in ALOT more $$$.... But the problem is, not everyone gets into banking and to make things worse for those who make it, only a select few taste the high-life.

Your odds of working hard in undergrad and getting accepted into a dental school followed by a successful career making between 120-200k+ are ALOT greater than a successful investment banker.

so true. same goes for any corporate position.
 
Whenever I see someone talking about money and Dentistry they always say if you want money be a banker.

Why?

150k-350k yearly
30-45 hour work weeks

Versus

170k-190k(if associate) to 500k (if you get promoted, BIG if)
70-120 hour week weeks (in the beginning) and then 80+ after, maybe 60+ if you are some ungodly person.

If we take the top salary the iber isn't making much more than the dentist per hour since they work ridiculous hours.

People also seem to think becoming a banker is easy, because there are so many jobs and everyone needs a banker🙄

The way I see it medicine/Dentistry is more of a "predictable" success. What I mean by that is, if you're reasonably smart, willing to work hard, and really want it, you can make it. Those 3 things don't necessarily predict you'll be successful as a banker. It's more risky, but with more risk comes more reward potential.
 
My 2 roommates are in banking (private equity). $500K is far from the cap in that industry. One is already making $370K at 27 and the other just got into the Wharton MBA program and his employer offered to hire him back at $550K afterwards (when he'll be 29). I know these stories are probably rare but just thought I'd share.
 
I like my odds as a Dentist more, but more power to IB!

In order to get the riches, one has to take risks. Dentistry/medicine isn't "risky" compared to IB. It's hard to get up to the top in the corporate world, so meh, I like my chances in Dentistry.
 
My 2 roommates are in banking (private equity). $500K is far from the cap in that industry. One is already making $370K at 27 and the other just got into the Wharton MBA program and his employer offered to hire him back at $550K afterwards (when he'll be 29). I know these stories are probably rare but just thought I'd share.

500k is far from the cap, BUT, few even get to 500k. They're not just probably rare, they are very rare. Money is big, but the quality of life just isn't there. Banking life seems to be for few people.

A lot of my mothers acquaintances, who were bankers, got let go in the last fiasco. I almost ended up going to school for business, because I was being pushed there instead of Dentistry. Glad I didn't.
 
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Im going to be a podiatry student but saw this thread and thought i would pipe in.

regardless of what you do, you need to be sure that you enjoy it , or can atleast stand it enough to make it worth your while.

i have done corporate work for a little bit post college and now will be doing podiatry.

i would rather shoot myself in the face than work in the corporate world my entire life and have an incredibly meaningless existence. many people are the same way.

working solely for money sucks. it is much cooler to be doing good for other people. whether it is cleaning teeth, fixing feet (which I will be doing), or being a brain surgeon... give me any of those professions any day over a 500k corporate job.
 
banking makes MAD cash. my bf's an investment banker on wallstreet and hes only 23, and hes raking in loads of money, which is good bc he helps pay for his 2 little sisters etc/family stuff
he is very intelligent and very business savvy though, and was only offered the job bc he interned for his company over the summer and they liked him and gave him a job after we graduated.
its a hit or miss in business if you wanna make the big bucks (connections/luck, IMO), and he works LONG hours everyday, it seems like a very stressful atmosphere/job/lots of pressure
but dentistry (as we are on a predental forum.....) is more stable in MY opinion, he feels this way too and is going to giveup banking and apply to law school in a year or 2 (once hes made enough money for law school tuition & other living stuff.....& once lawyers actually start getting hired again....)
its cool to live the highlife when you can and youre young and have no family, but working THAT much with so much demand and having a family/kids at the same time, to me seems really very difficult
 
My brother has been a banker for Wells Fargo for almost 9 years now. I actually worked as a banker for a year during my undergrad as well. My brother even made it as a branch manager for 3 years and broke all sorts of records. However, he hates his job, has never made that great of money ($120k when he was the branch manager), and is now looking for a new profession.

I hated being a banker as well...HATED IT.

I couldn't be happier that I'm going to be a dentist for sooo many reasons.

University of Michigan, Class of 2015
 
guys, enjoy dentistry, podiatry, psychology, medical school, etc. Anything related to working your own hours, having your own business, and generally being your own boss. Is 1,000,000 times better (yes I said A MILLION!) because when you work for the "man" aka corporate America, you are expendable and you work very hard to bring millions into the company, yet you get 0.00000000000000000001 of the pie. Its like a scam or unequal distribution of wealth. CEO's are paid millions for doing a bad job, meanwhile hard working corporate citizens suffer.

Medicine has always been the future and will definitely be the future (at least during our lifetime.) I recommend anyone to go into any medical profession vs. any other profession, because it pays for itself financially and on a personal level. A doctor, dentist, podiatrist has the right to complain about being overworked, however in the end of the day they help people and improve people's lives. The same cannot be stated for 99% of the CEOs out there.
 
but dentistry (as we are on a predental forum.....) is more stable in MY opinion, he feels this way too and is going to giveup banking and apply to law school in a year or 2 (once hes made enough money for law school tuition & other living stuff.....& once lawyers actually start getting hired again....)

That sounds like a horrible idea... please make him read about what's going on in law schools before he makes a decision to quit IB for law school.
 
haha he says either law school or business school
no idea tho, i dont chime in on these decisions of his, i just go with the flow
 
My brother has been a banker for Wells Fargo for almost 9 years now. I actually worked as a banker for a year during my undergrad as well. My brother even made it as a branch manager for 3 years and broke all sorts of records. However, he hates his job, has never made that great of money ($120k when he was the branch manager), and is now looking for a new profession.

I hated being a banker as well...HATED IT.

I couldn't be happier that I'm going to be a dentist for sooo many reasons.

University of Michigan, Class of 2015

Your brother is not a banker. Your brother is a branch manager of a retail bank. When people say "banker," they are referring to investment bankers. FYI, here's how it works:

- Analyst: Typical bulge bracket banks and strong boutiques have a 2-year analyst program. Very seldom, they will invite a 2nd year analyst back for a 3rd year, where it is presumed they will be promoted to Associate in year 4 (see more below). First year IB analysts (in NYC) are paid a pretty standard $60k base salary, signing bonus of $10-$20k, and year end bonus is based upon performance, but $50-$70k is about the range. Analysts, specifically, work back breaking hours (100+ hours/week), and the reason they don't last past 2 years is a) they go to get MBAs, b) they go to Private Equity (their bosses help them with connections), or c) they wash out.

- Associate: 95+% of associates are hired from business school as most individuals who want to break into banking weren't doing it before (hence, "breaking in.") In NYC, they are usually hired at $100k base salary, which escalates to $125k upon the new calendar year. Signing bonus is $50k, and usually there's a $10k kicker if you were a summer associate with your firm in the previous year. Overall compensation for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th (those who haven't been promoted to VP yet) associates ranges from about $180k-$400k. Keep in mind, this is typically late 20's. Those who leave at this point leave for either private equity, or some other lucrative alternative which, you guessed it, usually pays more. Many people quit to pursue other things as well, having made strong corporate connections. Associates work less than analysts (think 60-80 hours/week) and have a much greater degree of autonomy.

After associate, the "career bankers" begin to sort themselves out. I know of 2nd year VP's making $750k/year, and some who make less. At the VP level and above it's much less about your ability to crunch the numbers and put together pitchbooks and MUCH more about your ability to maintain contacts and, most importantly, bring in new business to the firm. You need to be a rainmaker to succeed in this industry. Many people choose to go different directions, and that's why banking is so appealing: After you've been a banker for a number of years, employers KNOW that a) you have a motor...your work ethic is NEVER in question, b) you likely have one or many acute areas of industry expertise, which makes your knowledge and skill set very transferable, whether to the corporate world or, in a lot of cases, hedge funds and PE firms. Whether or not you end up in banking long term, one thing is for sure: your odds of having a financially lucrative career and financial security are quite strong. Some people can't handle the stress, some people can't handle the hours, but ask yourself this: If you can give yourself a high probability of financial security simply by busting your butt for a few years in your mid to late-20's, isn't that worth it? You can give your kids everything you want and can provide support for your family and, most importantly, spend time with them. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it does buy freedom.
 
Hey KoughDai, you seem like you really like banking, why did you decide to pursue dentistry? Did you work in banking before, it seems like you understand the industry more than the average person.
 
It's a lot easier to get into Dental school than Investment Banking. It's also more rewarding, your ROI is much higher over the long term because you work less and make more. I'd rather be my own boss vs. washing out or working like a dog for 10+ years to make insane amounts of money that I won't have the time or luxury to spend. 750K (after tax: 450K) for 60 to 80 hours is not worth more than 200K (after tax: probably 140K maybe more depending on how much you can expense) for 35 hours. So all you're really doing is working double the hours for three times more money. However, even if you make 10X more as an IBanker, its not fun to make that much if you cannot spend it. And trust me your kids wont appreciate the fact they never see you, simply because your "making them a better future" by working 80+ hours.
 
Hey KoughDai, you seem like you really like banking, why did you decide to pursue dentistry? Did you work in banking before, it seems like you understand the industry more than the average person.

Hi! As you guessed, I know the industry quite well. I've been applying to dental school and business school in tandem. I was accepted to my first choice b-school and have already secured a summer offer as part of admission from one of my preferred firms. Although I was also accepted to my top 3 dental schools, the decision was easy for me. Simply, I crave the opportunity to challenge myself and I personally find mergers and acquisitions and banking in general to be way more stimulating. Deals always change, tooth problems don't.
 
Hey KoughDai,

Would you say IB attracts more Type A personalities than Dentistry? I'm assuming yes...and if so, I made the correct decision in my career choice as I'm not a Type A personality 😛
 
Both have unlimited potential. Dentistry has better hours and quality of life.
 
Both have unlimited potential. Dentistry has better hours and quality of life.

Rainee:

I would say banking definitely attracts more type A's than dentistry. Not to say there aren't a lot of Type A's in dentistry (there are) or that most dentists aren't Type A (I believe they are), but banking has a "Type A Ratio" that's fairly unrivaled. Both are great career choices if you're ambitious, curious, and willing to work hard. One was just more right for me.

Cambo:

I think your assessment is right, but short-sighted as you seem to be focused only in the short term. As I noted above, your "hours" and the nature of your work change quite a bit as you progress in a banking career beyond the point of analyst and associate. The transition goes from 100 hour weeks working in powerpoint and excel as an analyst to being on the road a few days per week as an MD, but doing most "work" from home (or elsewhere). The job becomes much more about relationships than anything else and is likely equally, if not more, enjoyable. Regarding your statement of better "quality of life," that's a purely subjective statement based solely on opinion. Only an individual can tell which would provide him or her a better quality of life. For me, it's banking. For you, it's dentistry. I think there are tremendous opportunities to have a wonderful career in dentistry, and you can certainly make a lot of money, but there's much greater home run potential in banking. You don't see dentists making tens of millions (or even billions) of dollars. You see bankers do this frequently.
 
~90%+ of bankers work for a large bank chain making 45-85k / year in some middle management position.

But really guys - NBA vs. dentistry - what do you guys think? I think traveling with the team playing a game would be great. Plus all the money and fame! And no debt. Yeah... I'm going to be an NBA player.

It's such an easy choice. 150k as a dentist or 5 million as a basketball player. Plus think of the opportunity cost of giving up ~5 million per year for eight years to get through dental school!
 
Yeah you're right, banking hours are pretty sweet. I was so naive to think that owning my own business and setting my own hours would equate to a better quality of life. I want to "hit a home run" too!
 
Yeah you're right, banking hours are pretty sweet. I was so naive to think that owning my own business and setting my own hours would equate to a better quality of life. I want to "hit a home run" too!

Sarcasm is a tool of the weak. There's no denying there's much greater income potential in banking, and like I said, "money buys freedom." If you don't aspire to be the absolute best at what you do, why do it at all?
 
Sarcasm is a tool of the weak. There's no denying there's much greater income potential in banking, and like I said, "money buys freedom." If you don't aspire to be the absolute best at what you do, why do it at all?


hey, im very happy you have accomplished what you wanted to do, congradulations. I am very curious on why you applied to dental school also? Was that your first choice, or was banking your first choice?
 
Says the banker (wannabe) posting on a pre-dental forum. I am glad that money is your only object in life, I just wish I could be there when Wall Street spits your ***** back out, or when you burn out, whichever comes first.
 
All these number crunching guys tend to come in with Bruxism but at the same time, my own employer is also wearing NG :laugh:

It is what you make it to be 👍
 
Says the banker (wannabe) posting on a pre-dental forum. I am glad that money is your only object in life, I just wish I could be there when Wall Street spits your ***** back out, or when you burn out, whichever comes first.


I don't understand why you're getting so angry about this. I merely stated some facts and explained that this is right for me, and that dentistry is right for you, yet here you go making unwarranted personal attacks. Are you insecure or what? In the span of one post you:

- Try to take a low blow at me by calling me a "wannabe"
- Accuse me of being interested ONLY in money (despite a statement directly contrary to that)
- Express extreme excitement over hoping that my career results in either failure or burnout

Grow up. Your behavior is extremely immature and abhorrent. With a couple years in banking already under my belt, and an outstanding offer for a summer position in banking, I am hardly a wanna-be. If you took the time to read my post above you'd see that I very clearly state that spending time with my family is far more important to me than money. I am merely stating a fact (and yes, it is a fact) that bankers have greater compensation than dentists. This is undisputed. I hope you have an enjoyable and lucrative career, but I have to opine that it's totally pathetic that you're so riled up about this that you're willing to make things so personal.

To the other much more rational and respectful poster who inquired about my motivations for applying to both D-school and B-school:

I completed my undergrad with a double major in Finance and Bio. I felt that going to work in health care coverage in IB was a great way to pursue both fields and leverage my expertise, and I had two very challenging and rewarding years on Wall Street as an IB analyst. Very intellectually stimulating stuff.

One thing I always found so interesting was that dentistry requires so much skill, but there's two parts to the equation: a) helping patients and b) running a business. For the most part, well-trained dentists have no problems with part a, but MANY struggle with part b. I wanted to challenge myself and thought that it would be cool to become a dentist and see how successful I could be at running the business side of it. I applied to both programs to give myself the option, but after crunching the numbers on it, recognizing my opportunity cost (2 years vs. 4 years of school, lost income, tuition, etc...), and trying to forecast which doors would be open for me, it became apparent that business school was definitely the right choice for me for a lot of reasons, and I would still be able to pursue the business side of dentistry without actually becoming a dentist. Both programs are rewarding and challenging, but I felt more comfortable going down this route, and it's one of those situations where there truly is no wrong decision.
 
Hi! As you guessed, I know the industry quite well. I've been applying to dental school and business school in tandem. I was accepted to my first choice b-school and have already secured a summer offer as part of admission from one of my preferred firms. Although I was also accepted to my top 3 dental schools, the decision was easy for me. Simply, I crave the opportunity to challenge myself and I personally find mergers and acquisitions and banking in general to be way more stimulating. Deals always change, tooth problems don't.

Just curious as to what your top 3 dental schools are, and also your stats?
Also, do you think it would be good for this country to re-enact Glass-Steagall?
 
Hey koughdai, just wanted to appologize for any personal shots. I woke up in a bad mood and took it out on you which isn't fair. You have already accomplished a lot and I wish you luck in business school, congrats.
 
One thing I always found so interesting was that dentistry requires so much skill, but there's two parts to the equation: a) helping patients and b) running a business. For the most part, well-trained dentists have no problems with part a, but MANY struggle with part b. I wanted to challenge myself and thought that it would be cool to become a dentist and see how successful I could be at running the business side of it. I applied to both programs to give myself the option, but after crunching the numbers on it, recognizing my opportunity cost (2 years vs. 4 years of school, lost income, tuition, etc...), and trying to forecast which doors would be open for me, it became apparent that business school was definitely the right choice for me for a lot of reasons, and I would still be able to pursue the business side of dentistry without actually becoming a dentist. Both programs are rewarding and challenging, but I felt more comfortable going down this route, and it's one of those situations where there truly is no wrong decision.

I definitely agree with this. I know quite a few dentists that are poor businessmen. I talk to dentists about their dental school experiences and many of them feel like there should be a lot more taught on the business side of dentistry. Plus, 95% of the dentists I've talked to have been embezzled. Not sure if it's because of their business IQ or what.

I have fallen in love with the profession, though. And my perception of it is that dentistry will provide a financially good situation. However, I plan on taking business and investment courses after dental school. With the knowledge acquired, I'll be able to expand the "good" financial situation from dentistry into a "great" financial situation by knowing how to use that money I earned from my practice ...and I'll still be doing what I love with more financial freedom.
 
I want the numbers for the percentage of bankers that actually move on past analysts and associate.
 
I want the numbers for the percentage of bankers that actually move on past analysts and associate.

I'm not sure about %'s, but anecdotally:

- Most analysts either leave or go to private equity (very few stay, and that's by design by employers who establish 2-year analyst programs). Very, very few analysts move to associate. Again, this is planned by employers and known by prospective employees.

- At the associate level, however, the majority stick it out in banking, and the majority of the ones that choose to leave go to more lucrative endeavors like private equity, start their own PE shop, etc... Certainly there are individuals who decide to go different directions, but generally associates rise to VP or greater (very common) and/or leave for greener pastures after banking. One reason banking is regarded as a great post-MBA option is because it leaves all doors open if you've decided you've had enough. From what I've seen, it's at the end of the VP level and into Director and MD where people start to jump ship for a multitude of reasons.
 
Hey KoughDai, I was also a double major in Finance and Biochem as an undergrad. I believe you are making a correct choice financially. I thought about being an IB as well, but unlike you, I am pursuing dentistry. Financially speaking, I agree the number crunching is in favor of IB b/c of the steep handicap of dental tuition and higher earning potential in IB. However, I would argue that I personally feel it's more morally correct to earn my living in our society through actual service. I personally feel the financial industry, especially IB is simply leeching on the rest of the society that are less financially educated. (ex: historically, on average, index fund beats managed mutual funds) I think anything beyond banking doesn't really provide much of a benefit to our society. IB gets paid a lot while helping to create the volatility in capital market. I felt like I had a somewhat similar background, and just thought I would share my view.
 
I am finding it hard to believe that it's very common for associates to become vps and beyond. Another issue is instability. when the market crashes people still have dental issues that need fixing. things may slow down but you won't lose your job. some family friends were investment bakers and a lot of them lost their jobs.
 
only few people make it to associate and vps, often by a mixture of strong ability all around and some degree of luck. The competition in financial market is very fierce and cut-throat. For the few that does make it to the top, they do make lots money. However, stability is def an issue. You are under constant competition to maintain your client base, not to mention to inc client. That's one of the reason for me to choose dentistry. I'm willing to sacrifice earning potential for stability. I think financial industry is suited for ppl who are very very motivated and energized to make money, then they should hopefully do well.
 
Hey KoughDai, I was also a double major in Finance and Biochem as an undergrad. I believe you are making a correct choice financially. I thought about being an IB as well, but unlike you, I am pursuing dentistry. Financially speaking, I agree the number crunching is in favor of IB b/c of the steep handicap of dental tuition and higher earning potential in IB. However, I would argue that I personally feel it's more morally correct to earn my living in our society through actual service. I personally feel the financial industry, especially IB is simply leeching on the rest of the society that are less financially educated. (ex: historically, on average, index fund beats managed mutual funds) I think anything beyond banking doesn't really provide much of a benefit to our society. IB gets paid a lot while helping to create the volatility in capital market. I felt like I had a somewhat similar background, and just thought I would share my view.

Without getting into the moral argument, I guess I want to clarify things for those viewing the thread who aren't all that well versed regarding finance: While investment bankers work for investment banks, not all employees of an investment bank are investment bankers. Example: You work for an investment bank in sales & trading or on the fixed income desk. Yes, you work for an investment bank, but no, you are not an investment banker. Your specific comment about returns of index funds has more to do with money managers and prop trading than it does with the function of investment banking. Investment bankers are involved in raising money, either debt or equity, in the capital markets for corporations, governments, etc...

I would also argue that bankers do provide a very valuable, though easy to miss, service and benefit to our society. Think about the products you buy and the services you consume. Now think about how many of those products/services are from publicly traded companies, or are produced by companies who rely on suppliers/collaborators that are publicly traded or in a growth stage. Without investment bankers raising capital to take them public or grow their business, there is NO product or service for you to consume. I'd argue that most people only see greed when they look at bankers, but that's primarily because they don't understand the role that bankers play in their every day lives.

I am finding it hard to believe that it's very common for associates to become vps and beyond. Another issue is instability. when the market crashes people still have dental issues that need fixing. things may slow down but you won't lose your job. some family friends were investment bakers and a lot of them lost their jobs.

From experience, I can tell you that the conversion rate is much higher than you think. It's the jump from Director to MD that's the most difficult, and the majority of people who don't make it to the VP, D, or MD level usually are gone because they chose to pursue something else. It makes sense: You make a ton of money into your early 30's and build a considerable nest-egg, and then you leave to go do something less stressful and time consuming because you have financial security.

Also, regarding job security: Yes, lots of bankers got axed during the downturn. At my company, they would call a group of 20+ bankers into a conference room and let them go. Here's the thing: The market picks back up, and they have jobs again...simple as that! Additionally, though the market may be in a downturn, there is always a need for people to be out there selling the services of the bank, and there is always a need for analysts and associates to be working on pitch books. Downturns tend to affect struggling rainmakers more than anyone else. If you can't make it rain, there's no reason to have you on the payroll.
 
M&A is more often than not bad for consumers. IB M&A activity serves corporations not consumers. I like the perfect competition end of the spectrum over the monopoly end. I favor local small biz and decentralization. And SimpleJack brings up an excellent point about reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act. The conflicts of interest on Wall St. are too destructive as has been shown time and time again.

Funny how the Wall St. enthusiasts are hell-bent on justifying IB to pre-dents. Wall St. is always indoctrinating the same ole arguments of liquidity and capital-raising to justify a value-adding role to society for themselves. Personally, I find their hyper-real world of intangibles, derivatives, fiat money, pitchbooks that nobody reads etc. unfulfilling.
 
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I sound very extreme.

Working at Wall Street as an Investment Banker is for a very selected few from top tier schools (Harvard, MIT, Stanford you name them).

Dentistry is for a lot of average Joe biology majors from any school. Getting into Dental school is WAY EASIER than working at Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan. Even being a consultant for top consulting firm (Bain, BCG, Mckinsey) is harder than getting into dental school.

I don't think many pre-dental majors have the brain power and personality to handle what it takes to be an Ibanker. Let's just be happy that we got into dental school but never make it sound like we are financially better off than bankers ...
 
banking makes MAD cash. my bf's an investment banker on wallstreet and hes only 23, and hes raking in loads of money, which is good bc he helps pay for his 2 little sisters etc/family stuff
he is very intelligent and very business savvy though, and was only offered the job bc he interned for his company over the summer and they liked him and gave him a job after we graduated.
its a hit or miss in business if you wanna make the big bucks (connections/luck, IMO), and he works LONG hours everyday, it seems like a very stressful atmosphere/job/lots of pressure
but dentistry (as we are on a predental forum.....) is more stable in MY opinion, he feels this way too and is going to giveup banking and apply to law school in a year or 2 (once hes made enough money for law school tuition & other living stuff.....& once lawyers actually start getting hired again....)
its cool to live the highlife when you can and youre young and have no family, but working THAT much with so much demand and having a family/kids at the same time, to me seems really very difficult

From someone that has spent the entire past 12 months studying for the LSAT, shadowing Lawyers, interning at several Law Offices, and meeting with a couple Deans of Admissions at Law Schools; I would tell your boyfriend to not hold his breathe nor should he give up his position to pursue something that anyone CAN and everyone IS pursuing at the moment.

There's this ridiculous association linked to Lawyers in the sense that everyone thinks all Lawyers are loaded. What many students (almost all) fail to realize is that the Law Schools themselves are skewing their alumni-employment data tremendously to make Law School look more appealing. If you go on the "top law schools" forum (which is essentially the pre-law/law version of the studentdoctor forums), you'll notice how negative and "rapture"ish the aura is on that site. Everyone is screaming wolf and everyone is advising to head for the hills.

The stats are staggering. There's something like a GAJILLION Law School graduates each year and only like .01 jobs available at the moment (so my numbers are a little off, but they might as well be since the actual numbers themselves are indeed staggering). Yet there's still people saying "It's ok, by the time I graduate the economy will be better and I'll make 150,000 a year at a "BigLaw" Corporation, and after 4-7 years I'll make partner and my pay will rise to at least 1.2 million a year (actual numbers for "BigLaw" Corps). Sad part is; prospective Law Students were saying this same exact thing 10 years ago. The average lawyer in America makes about 55,000 a year. With at least 200,000 in debt, that sounds like an awful trade off to me. And let's not even get into lifestyle, trust me on this one. I've interned at SEVERAL Law Offices...and the least I've seen any one Lawyer work is about 70 hours per week. These were all Lawyers who had been practicing for at least 20 years, mind you. All the places I interned at were privately owned firms; aka, THEIR OWN BUSINESS/THEIR OWN BOSS.

If you take the time to read some of the more popular posts on the forums, you'll realize that not even Stanford/Yale/Harvard/Duke/Columbia/Berkeley Law Graduates are able to find work after graduation unless they were top of their class.

One of the more popular theories states that as the economy fails, the application pool for Law School rises dramatically since many students falsely believe that being a Lawyer means making 6 figures right off the bat. Let's not forget the pathetic image that people think of when they hear "Lawyer" - arguing their cases emotionally and dramatically with more power than the President himself. Yea, no. No. Go to Staples tomorrow and buy 300,000 blank pieces of paper. On each one, write down an insanely complicated letter thats mind-boggling and insanely dense to read. Then, throw them all in a tiny room. Dive in. There's your life as a Lawyer. Oh, and learn to cuss...A LOT. Don't forget to find a primary care physician that won't mind seeing you once a week to make sure you're not about to have a stroke or a heart attack.

An amazing example of all this was published in the New York Times a few months back. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html

It caused a tremendous stir on that law school forum I mentioned earlier (it still does to this day). I still visit that forum just to reminisce on how depressed I was when I was about to start applying. Coming back to pursue Dentistry again is one of the most relieving and relaxing things that has ever occurred in my life. I actually get BUTTERFLIES in my stomach knowing that my DAT study material is arriving on Tuesday of next week...BUTTERFLIES!

Holy crap...I wrote a lot. What was this thread about? Banking. Yea, screw that. Be a Dentist...they're so much cooler.
 
my dbf (who i assume i'll marry) is going into i-banking and i will (hopefully) be going into dentistry. win! 🙂
 
I never understood why people think bankers have more stress than dentists. Do you guys understand how many hours/week you will be studying in dental school? I know many 1st year dental students who can only afford to sleep 5 hrs/night for the whole school year! Thats 4 years of insane stress levels just to put yourself in a financial pit, owing 300-400K with interest. Then you gotta put yourself further down when you finally get the balls to take a practice loan with another 300K+ in debt. Then, once you have your own practice, you have all the stresses of running your own business with absolutely NO training on how to do it correctly. According to TDIC, every dentist will have to deal with at least 1 lawsuit in their career... Talk about stress!

When you factor in the avg dentist makes only 200K/yr according to ADA (after taxes nets only 120K) and how long it will take you to pay off all your debt... well...

You gotta love dentistry to do it... it simply doesn't compete with other high yield jobs.
 
i honestly dont understand why so many people constantly complain about how horrible dental school debt is and how miserable going through dental school is. whoop di doo thats the game of life, debt isnt bad as long you know how to manage it. it may cost you 300k-400k+interest but you enter a respectable field where you help others and make plenty of money to make a good living. if your business savy and know how to market you can be very successful


And its not like dental school is impossible to go through either, most students make it through just fine. so what if you have to struggle at times, its the hard times in life that really give light to your character.

dentistry is a good lifestyle+intellectually satisfying= GREAT CAREER CHOICE
 
I never understood why people think bankers have more stress than dentists. Do you guys understand how many hours/week you will be studying in dental school? I know many 1st year dental students who can only afford to sleep 5 hrs/night for the whole school year! Thats 4 years of insane stress levels just to put yourself in a financial pit, owing 300-400K with interest. Then you gotta put yourself further down when you finally get the balls to take a practice loan with another 300K+ in debt. Then, once you have your own practice, you have all the stresses of running your own business with absolutely NO training on how to do it correctly. According to TDIC, every dentist will have to deal with at least 1 lawsuit in their career... Talk about stress!

When you factor in the avg dentist makes only 200K/yr according to ADA (after taxes nets only 120K) and how long it will take you to pay off all your debt... well...

You gotta love dentistry to do it... it simply doesn't compete with other high yield jobs.

Sorry, is that not enough for you? Seems to me like you're looking for a reason not to go into Dentistry when it could have perhaps been your dream in the past, and I think what you just stated is what you tell yourself every night to help you sleep better. I mean, why else are you on the PRE-DENTAL forums? Did you get lost when Googling "How to be a gazillion banker"?

Maybe I'm being cruel, I'm really not trying to be. Just sayin'...

EDIT: I just realized you're a Dental Student. Yikes...I'm not even sure what to say at this point besides this; I would DIEEEEE to be in your spot, even if it meant twice as much debt as you're incurring.
 
Take it from someone who worked in banking... it blows.

All dentists make good money, not all people in banking make good money, in fact very few do.
 
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