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[Chalazion12]

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Obviously JHU is one of the top places for IM, but what about Bayview? This has been discussed before with contradicting comments. How does john hopkins-bayview compare with good university programs for cards fellowships placements?

 

[Linus2007]

According to a couple of the other posts the 2005 or 2006 fellowship match showed a few go over to JHU for cards. On the East coast apparently it has the rep of a community program..but that's East Coast for you. After reading about it I think it's better than quite a few of the university-affiliated programs like Mayo-Arizona or JHU/Mt Sinai. Since some faculty from JHU rotate through Bayview as well as some fellows, if you really want a GI or Cards fellowship at the main JHU the Bayview program will give you good exposure to some faculty.

 

[Chalazion12]

How would you say it compares to programs like Rush or Case

 

[Linus2007]

How would you say it compares to programs like Rush or Case

Good question, have to throw out a disclaimer here. I applied to JHU-Bayview and not Case or Rush so I would say I'm a little biased towards that program. They share quite a few faculty with main JHU so you do get a good education and their match list is very good. Case Western is also really good program from what I've heard. Based on my n=1 'systemic review' of this forum I would actually place these on equal footing. Actually I think I would edge out JHUBayview just because you get to work with JHU faculty which will favour you if you decide to specialize. I really don't know much about Rush though. Once people start interviewing at these places hopefully they'll post the previous year's fellowship rates which gives you a little bit of an idea on quality.

 

[staup]

The people at Bayview consider it an extension of JHH. It's 3 miles away from JHH, look on Google Maps. It's a smaller program than JHH and less competitive, but suppossedl 40% of the JH department of medicine is there now and the fellowship matches are awesome. When I interviewed, the 3rd years we're going to Bringham for cards, JHH for Gastro, JHH for ID, Upenn for Endo... There really was not a weak match. Also to say JHH for a fellowship is now a misnomer, because all the fellwoships are spread between JHH and Baview now, except for Renal, the have separate fellowships for some reason. Apply there if you have an interest.

Sinai is a community program with some JHH affliation, but most of the resident are foreign and the affiliation is in name only. It's a weak affiliation.

 

[anesguy1012]

This program sent someone I know an interview invite. Then they sent an email saying to disregard the previous email. Then later they sent a rejection email. Who wants to go to a program that is run this way??

 

[NattyGann]

This program sent someone I know an interview invite. Then they sent an email saying to disregard the previous email. Then later they sent a rejection email. Who wants to go to a program that is run this way??

I submitted 3 potential interview days to Bayview and they emailed me back with a confirmation for a date that I DID NOT ask for, then they emailed me back asking me to disregard the previous email. They finally sent me a confirmation that was consistent with what I asked for. I think they probably sent out a batch of emails they had to take back. I'm still interviewing though! Everyone makes mistake, right...

 

[Cuteasaurus]

Everyone makes mistake, right...

Exactly. I certainly wouldn't cancel an interview with a program because of a clerical error.

 

[staup]

That is very much not cool to send an invite and then rescind...

When I interviewed there they had mentioned that the program is becoming more and more popular so they havng trouble keeping up with the application process. iguess the word is out that this program is legit.

 

[Linus2007]

Anyone have any suggestions on where to stay at a hotel for a JHU-Bayview interview? They sent two suggestions which were waaayyy out of my price range. In fact the only other hotel I could find that was a) close to JHU-B and b) cheap seems to have a rodent problem. Anyone already itnerview at Bayview and have suggestions? I will be using public transport too as I am too broke to rent a car. I know they say you can stay with a resident but I dunno I tihnk I would feel I was always 'on' even though I was away from the dinners and interview.

 

[askinguy]

Stay in the harbor. Cabs in Baltimore are cheap.

 

[zeloc]

Hopefully this response isn't too late for you, but there is a Best Western that is fairly close to the hospital and significantly less expensive than other area hotels. They also have a shuttle service to Bayview although the timing might not work out for the interview.

 

[BearCat]

Anyone have any suggestions on where to stay at a hotel for a JHU-Bayview interview? They sent two suggestions which were waaayyy out of my price range. In fact the only other hotel I could find that was a) close to JHU-B and b) cheap seems to have a rodent problem. Anyone already itnerview at Bayview and have suggestions? I will be using public transport too as I am too broke to rent a car. I know they say you can stay with a resident but I dunno I tihnk I would feel I was always 'on' even though I was away from the dinners and interview.

I was so dirt poor as a med student when I interviewed last year, this was how I made my money last.
- Luckily I had a Southwest airline coupon to fly into Baltimore
- If you are not in a rush for time, you can take the Light Rail into Penn Station
- If you don't care where you stay, you can rent a dorm room at Reed Hall right across from the Johns Hopkins Hospital. It was 50 dollars a night, absolutely dormitory style, the bathroom is down the hall, remember to bring your own flipflops and towel to go into the shower. One star at the most, but a bed to sleep in.
- If you do decide to stay at Reed Hall at JHH, then you can take the free JHMI shuttle from Penn Station to JHH.
- The Bayview preinterview dinner was at Fells Point - so I walked down the street and took the city bus there, but a resident drove me back.
- The next morning I walked to the entrance of JHH, and took the shuttle to Bayview Hospital for my interview, and then took the shuttle back to the dorm.
- Following my interview the second day, I took the cab to the airport with a bunch of interviewees (getting really tired of buses by this point).

Obviously you need to have a lot of time on your hands for public transportation to work.

 

[fanondelaterre]

as for the original question... it seems to me that JHBayview, like staup previously mentioned, is an extension of Johns Hopkins. I think in general other institutions agree since the fellowships that the Bayview IM residents get are incredible and many choose to stay at Johns Hopkins, while others have gone to Mass gen, Upenn, NIH, Wash U, Emory, etc. Fellows at Johns Hopkins spread their time between the JHH and JHB campuses with the exception of Nephrology.
The JHB campus also hosts 2 NIH branches. JHH and JHB internal medicine programs share alot of the faculty and Bayview is a fully academic university program (not university affiliated).
They have a website about where their graduates are going in the last 3 years. You are interested in cards and they have had decent results. Unfortunately, they don't break it down year by year or with a complete list of residents. I think each year comprises of ~15 residents.

http://www.hopkinsbayview.org/medicine/residency/lifeafterresidency.html

 

[alpo]

Having done some of my training at both the Bayview campus and the "Mothership", there are some differences, but it may be more in atmosphere than anything else. For the sake of disclosure, I did my residency at Bayview. Like others have mentioned. the faculty is shared between the two campuses. The Bayview experience is, in my opinion, a more friendly and humane environment to learn. There is no need to be a marine and sacrifice your humanity in the name of medicine at Bayview. Some pt's may be more complex at the main campus. I don't think anything major is missed out as most residents from Bayview will do some elective time at the main campus if they desire.

The fellowship match list from Bayview is pretty darned impressive. Many decide to stay at Hopkins. Those who leave often do so by choice (want to move back closer to family, due to spouse's job or because you've realized the word "hon" rolls off your tongue without thinking or making you cringe). I think one of the refreshing things about the people who wind up at Bayview is the diversity. In my class alone, there are 7 different fellowships represented along with a bunch of people who are doing general internal medicine or a hospitalist year before doing a fellowship.


In all, I would not have changed a thing. I would choose to go to the Bayview program over the downtown program in a heart beat if given the choice and I had to do it all over again (Thank God I only have to do residency once! ). I got great medical training from attendings that I respected and became my friends; I got into a great fellowship and made a bunch of close friends that I will keep in touch with for the rest of my life.

To echo the comments about Sinai -- it really isn't a Hopkins program. Only apply there if you need to do prelim year before something else. You won't work hard and you won't learn medicine.

Good luck to all who are interviewing. It's not a process I'd want to go through again.