Becoming a resident of Florida or NY for residency purposes?

[Mister T]

Question in thread title:

What do you guys find to make more sense? To be a resident of Florida or NY?

I am in a unique situation where I would be able claim residency in Florida if I could, and there are many pros of going to Florida over NY.

Pros: The weather. Dear God, New York has terrible winters. Florida doesn't.
Florida has 6 STATE MEDICAL SCHOOLS whereas New Yorok has 4 STATE MEDICAL SCHOOLS.
Cons: Might be more difficult? I DON'T KNOW.
Humidity <--- not a big thing for me.
The premed applicant: med. school class ratio could be higher for the Florida schools (like in California), thereby negating any "beneficial" affects of there being more medical schools in Florida.

Given my GPA by the end of the summer will be about 3.43 (currently cum 3.35 with engineering major), and right now I have a 32 MCAT (AND I KNOW THAT THAT COMBINATION ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR ANY MD SCHOOL), and I am retaking the mcat in hopes of getting over a 35. Standard ECs with ample shadowing, clinical experience, EMT-B training, etc.

what state would be better for residency purposes and why?

Yours truly,
T

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[DitchDoc73]

I cannot speak about NY residency, but most schools in Florida have very strict guidelines for establishing Florida state residency. One of the components is that you cannot establish residency in Florida if you moved to Florida to complete an education (i.e. You moved to Florida (as a non-resident) to complete your undergrad, then the time that you were here for school WOULD NOT COUNT towards Florida residency). (Florida Statutes, Section 240.1201 "a student's physical presence in the State of Florida which was merely incident to enrollment in a institution of higher education will not constitute "residence" in the State for purposes of this Policy.) Once you completed the undergrad program then the timeframe starts for counting towards Florida state residency. Also all of the schools in Florida base your residency for tuition pruposes for all 4 years off of your initial enrollment status. Hope I made sense...Here is a link to a residency application (they are all basically the same for all schools in Florida) in case you want to look into it more...
http://medicine.nova.edu/do/admissions/forms/state_residency.pdf

 

[Catalystik]

If I were you, I'd move to Ohio, which has five public med schools, three of which are on the fairly-forgiving side stats-wise (Toledo, Wright, Northeastern). Being in your situation, I'd make a huge point of building rural med experiences or demonstrating a mission to serve other underserved populations, as some schools are more academically forgiving when you have such a focus. I believe that establishing residency there is not too difficult.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=7502785&highlight=admissions-wise#post7502785

Texas is better yet (cheapest med school tuition around), but way more difficult to establish residency.

 

[Mister T]

I cannot speak about NY residency, but most schools in Florida have very strict guidelines for establishing Florida state residency. One of the components is that you cannot establish residency in Florida if you moved to Florida to complete an education (i.e. You moved to Florida (as a non-resident) to complete your undergrad, then the time that you were here for school WOULD NOT COUNT towards Florida residency). (Florida Statutes, Section 240.1201 "a student's physical presence in the State of Florida which was merely incident to enrollment in a institution of higher education will not constitute "residence" in the State for purposes of this Policy.) Once you completed the undergrad program then the timeframe starts for counting towards Florida state residency. Also all of the schools in Florida base your residency for tuition pruposes for all 4 years off of your initial enrollment status. Hope I made sense...Here is a link to a residency application (they are all basically the same for all schools in Florida) in case you want to look into it more...
http://medicine.nova.edu/do/admissions/forms/state_residency.pdf

Yes, thanks for the clarification, and yes I graduated from college a long time ago.

 

[Mister T]

If I were you, I'd move to Ohio, which has five public med schools, three of which are on the fairly-forgiving side stats-wise (Toledo, Wright, Northeastern). Being in your situation, I'd make a huge point of building rural med experiences or demonstrating a mission to serve other underserved populations, as some schools are more academically forgiving when you have such a focus. I believe that establishing residency there is not too difficult.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=7502785&highlight=admissions-wise#post7502785

Texas is better yet (cheapest med school tuition around), but way more difficult to establish residency.

Yeah for Texas residency is difficult. Don't you have to own property or something over there ? I believe that you have to be there for 12 months in order to qualify too.

I'm currnetly a New York resident, so I don't know if it makes sense to give this up for Florida (which I've been in/worked/apartment and all over the past year).

 

[Catalystik]

The included thread link says that you have to be a nonstudent in Texas for a year. And if you are student when you move there, you're out of luck. For Ohio, I believe you can be a student and start working toward residency status (but I don't recall where i read that exactly, so check it. But if you're OOS and accepted to a med school, after the first year you're automatically a resident for tuition purposes). Only New Jersey is better, where you are in-state as soon as you move there (I've heard).

 

[Mister T]

The included thread link says that you have to be a nonstudent in Texas for a year. And if you are student when you move there, you're out of luck. For Ohio, I believe you can be a student and start working toward residency status (but I don't recall where i read that exactly, so check it. But if you're OOS and accepted to a med school, after the first year you're automatically a resident for tuition purposes). Only New Jersey is better, where you are in-state as soon as you move there (I've heard).

So Ohio and Texas aside (I would do it if I had the time), ignoring that Ohio and Texas are the best places to be an average premed and all for the time being (I will look into them if the case arises though thanks for the heads up), Florida Versus NY? I can only choose between the two in the next 2-3 months (I'm currently a NY resident).

I DO like Florida more than this hell hole and don't mind humidity over long damn winters locked up inside. Brrrrr UGH.

 

[Catalystik]

There is only one forgiving state school in Florida (Florida State, LizzyM score =66. After that a 69X3 and 71). The sunys have LizzyM scores of 68, 69, 70X2. Your LizzyM score at the moment is 67 since the candidate adds 1 to the MCAT+GPAX10.

 

[Mister T]

There is only one forgiving state school in Florida (Florida State, LizzyM score =66. After that a 69X3 and 71). The sunys have LizzyM scores of 68, 69, 70X2. Your LizzyM score at the moment is 67 since the candidate adds 1 to the MCAT+GPAX10.

I see. Where are you getting these numbers from? I've heard of that equation before.

32 + 3.35*10 + 1 = 66.5

SO Florida is 66,69,69,69, and 71 <--- so there's 5????? I thought there were 6?

Whereas NY is 68, 69, 70,70.

When I spoke with upstate, they said that a 35 and 3.35 would not get an interview at their school because they want a minimum of 3.6 cum and science, so I don't know how much stock can be given to the equation that LIzzy gives, unless the adcom person was just trying to discourage me from applying (he did give me incorrect information that post-bacc gpa was not calculated in the overall GPA).

 

[Catalystik]

I see. Where are you getting these numbers from? I've heard of that equation before.

32 + 3.35*10 + 1 = 66.5

SO Florida is 66,69,69,69, and 71 <--- so there's 5????? I thought there were 6?

Whereas NY is 68, 69, 70,70.

When I spoke with upstate, they said that a 35 and 3.35 would not get an interview at their school because they want a minimum of 3.6 cum and science, so I don't know how much stock can be given to the equation that LIzzy gives, unless the adcom person was just trying to discourage me from applying (he did give me incorrect information that post-bacc gpa was not calculated in the overall GPA).

The numbers are from the current MSAR which I calculated together.

I didn't include Miami which is a private school with higher tuition and less in-state preference. LizzyM=70, BTW. I omitted the private NY schools too.

I'm using the LizzyM score solely as a measure of selectiveness, not regarding individual schools' cut-off points. An assumption is often made that a stronger MCAT score can compensate for a weaker GPA to some extent.

I got a 67 for your LizzyM score using your projected GPA of 3.4+ by the summer's end.

 

[NTF]

Northeastern

FYI, NEOUCOM is mostly a 6-7 year BS/MD program which is why their stats are lower. They only accept 15-30ish direct matriculants a year depending on how many BS/MDers get promoted to M1. So not much of a gimme since you're fighting over such few spots.

 

[DrMidlife]

Note that the MSAR's reported GPAs are for accepted students, which is a superset of matriculated students. I'm not going to claim that the LizzyM numbers would be substantially lower if we had access to matriculant data (sometimes you can get it from a school website). Just sayin.

 

[Catalystik]

Note that the MSAR's reported GPAs are for accepted students, which is a superset of matriculated students. I'm not going to claim that the LizzyM numbers would be substantially lower if we had access to matriculant data (sometimes you can get it from a school website).

I've noticed it's usually lower and occasionally equal. From matriculant data (which isn't complete) I can't cite a source for (just appeared on SDN) from I think 2008 (not 2009 as above):

Matriculant/Acceptee LizzyM score, but different years, so not as comparable.
Fl State 64 (66)
UF 69 (71)
USF 65 (69)
FI ? (69)
UCF ? (69)

SUNY upstate 69
Downstate ?
Stony Brook 68
Buffalo 69

Toledo 66
Wright 63
Northeastern 65

NEOUCOM is mostly a 6-7 year BS/MD program which is why their stats are lower. They only accept 15-30ish direct matriculants a year depending on how many BS/MDers get promoted to M1.

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[Askangiwa]

Hi OP!

I'm in a similar dilemma -- I'm also a non-traditional student (28, married with a kid) who has the option to declare residency at either NY or Florida.

I'm from NY (and have NY residency) but I recently bought a house in Florida -- originally as a vacation home but now I'm thinking of moving there full time (I hate NY winters -- aughh!) though I'm keeping my apartment in NYC.

Anyway, I'm interested in going to pharmacy school in Florida and not sure which would make more sense financially. As a NY'er, there are lots of benefits -- health insurance, etc. -- but I wonder if declaring Florida residency would make more financial sense in the end.

Let me know what you decide --and if you find out any more info about the pros and cons of each.

 

[faith2]

UM is private but favors FL if not fl stats must be higher. As 4 schools we have 7 md schools and 2 do. One of the easier ways to be a resident is to be a teacher. Ps with those stats UF is hard. They just rejected me 2 weeks ago. Thankfully i had several options last year

 

[DitchDoc73]

Hi OP!

I'm in a similar dilemma -- I'm also a non-traditional student (28, married with a kid) who has the option to declare residency at either NY or Florida.

I'm from NY (and have NY residency) but I recently bought a house in Florida -- originally as a vacation home but now I'm thinking of moving there full time (I hate NY winters -- aughh!) though I'm keeping my apartment in NYC.

Anyway, I'm interested in going to pharmacy school in Florida and not sure which would make more sense financially. As a NY'er, there are lots of benefits -- health insurance, etc. -- but I wonder if declaring Florida residency would make more financial sense in the end.

Let me know what you decide --and if you find out any more info about the pros and cons of each.

Don't expect a response from the OP...If you didn't notice he was banned a while back! But good luck with you decision. The good thing about being a resident of Florida is NO STATE INCOME TAX!!! Woo hoo! lol